Would our country still be safe if we had no soldiers in Afghanistan?

[Bar Sinister]

Absolutely. Afghanistan offers no threat to Canada. As usual Canadian troops are being used to fight some other nation's war.

As for former fighters from Sri Lanka they are not in Canada to attack Canada, but to escape a country where they would most likely be imprisoned or killed.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Canada would be safer today if we never were involved in Afghanistan, however that being said it was a necessary "evil" as Canada is a member of Nato & Nato committed to the capture of bin Laden & defeat his Taliban protectors at the time. While I personally think it was a bad idea, we committed and should see the commitment to the end (2011). Afghanistan is a "Tar Baby" easy to get in almost impossible to get out with your dignity intact (just ask the Russians). Will Canada be safer when we leave, it depends on the mood of the Afghani people & whether any of the clans have decided on a vendetta (don't want to use the "j" word here) against Canada.

I agree, but 9/11 and events forced us there like being part of NATO and the fact the mission was supported by the UN. The Taliban were toppled, time to leave after a few months. Mission accomplished.

I think the Taliban have learned their lesson. Attack a Western nation and you may get whacked, stay at home and no one cares about you.

Vendetta and jihad, funny, not that much difference really. Ideas from backward peoples.

Absolutely. Afghanistan offers no threat to Canada. As usual Canadian troops are being used to fight some other nation's war.

As for former fighters from Sri Lanka they are not in Canada to attack Canada, but to escape a country where they would most likely be imprisoned or killed.

A good example, the losers in the Sri Lankan civil war have no desire at all to attack Canada, they cannot concieve of the use. Same for Yugoslavia Northern Ireland, Congo, Ethiopia, Pakistan or Vietnam.

Conservatives in Canada just want to be part of something big, but great powers want blind support and then they forget their minions once the war is over. Afghanistan is longer than WW 2 for crying out loud. There is a fundamental problem here. We don't vote in US elections for presidents so we are irrelevant.

 

[talloola]

It has nothing to do with 'keeping' our country free, it's
all about giving the afghans a chance to be free.

It doesn't matter if we are there or not, when it comes
to our country, we are the free ones, they are not.

It wasn't the afghans who attacked the trade centers, it was
bin laden, who was connected with taliban, who were keeping the real afghans suppressed.

Although our borders seem to be so porous, that terrorists
and others seem to be able to travel in and out, on their
way to other areas, the u.s. etc, maybe we should do something about that little problem for many reasons.

 

[petros]

If a Republic was supposed to be the greatest thing since slice bread, why is democracy being crammed down their throats.

Democracy and freedom have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

 

[talloola]

If a Republic was supposed to be the greatest thing since slice bread, why is democracy being crammed down their throats.

Democracy and freedom have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

They can make 'their' own kind of democracy, won't be the
same as ours, they will figure it out.

It was important to show them how to have a proper election,
and do it right, they can go from there on their own, if they
could only stop killing each other.

 

[petros]

Shouldn't they have to want it first? Is it what hey really want or is it what we've been told they should have?

 

[Trotz]

How can anyone be fighting for our freedom when we have an unelected senate and a FPTP electoral system which amounts to a one party dictatorship?

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

It has nothing to do with 'keeping' our country free, it's
all about giving the afghans a chance to be free.

It doesn't matter if we are there or not, when it comes
to our country, we are the free ones, they are not.

It wasn't the afghans who attacked the trade centers, it was
bin laden, who was connected with taliban, who were keeping the real afghans suppressed.

Although our borders seem to be so porous, that terrorists
and others seem to be able to travel in and out, on their
way to other areas, the u.s. etc, maybe we should do something about that little problem for many reasons.

Free Afghans, hmm. I saw on CNN that in free Kabul, Afghan women are being spat on and money thrown on them as they are begging. Not much progress here.

That is right, Bin laden is an Arab, not an Afghan, and many Afghans resent what he has done their country. Afghans don't care much about Al-Qaeda and its goals but are caught in the trap of being dangerous brown people like Saddam that all deserve to be whacked.

How can anyone be fighting for our freedom when we have an unelected senate and a FPTP electoral system which amounts to a one party dictatorship?

I'll change my mind when the army occupies Ottawa

Sorry. We don't have a dictatorship in Canada. That term is used in Canada inappropriately.

I met a man from the Phillipines who was reading a Canadian newspaper and was stunned to find criticism of Canadian politicians. He said in the Phillipines if you criticize politcians you get your throat slit. Now that is a dictatorship.

 

[petros]

Phillipines.....who installed their govt?

 

[Trotz]

But in the Phillipines I doubt anyone wins 95% of the vote like Gordon Campbell when he won 75/77 seats in my province. FPTP sucks

 

[talloola]

Free Afghans, hmm. I saw on CNN that in free Kabul, Afghan women are being spat on and money thrown on them as they are begging. Not much progress here.

It will take generations to completely change, and even
then they will change in their own way, but with our
help, women will become stronger, and they will eventually
have more independence, it is slow, their religious laws
control much of their lives, and the religious 'unfair'
laws are very difficult to change, it takes time, but it
will be done, even afghan women will stand up for themselves
over time, and as they see how our women can and do make
their own decisions about their own lives, they will too.

It's not going to completely happen in our life-time or
even our children's lifetimes, but it is important to keep
the taliban from turning that country back in time to an
archaic miserable existence for it's people.

 

[In Between Man]

So I see the fighting going on over in Iraq and Afghanistan and people always saying, "they're over fighting there to keep our country free"

Yes and no. We're mainly fight for their freedom, the everyday peace loving Afghan. We're only protecting our freedom equidistantly by ensuring that no multitude of extreme islamic nations rise to power.

but I ask, is that really the case? Would we still be free and safe and so on if we were not fighting this war?

We're still safe as long as we keep the United States of America on our side, God bless 'em. No one's going to touch us as long as the USA is still a threat. In fact, if Canada got invaded, we would even have a choice in the matter, they would just be here defending the shores, land and air. They wouldn't risk their homeland be next.

Would our country truly be in danger of losing our Freedom if we had decided to never get involved with this struggle over in the middle east?

No, probably not. But those boys over there need our help, dang it!!!! If everyone had an attitude like yours during the second world war, we'd all be speaking German right now!!! 8O

I honestly think that there'd be not one single bit of difference if we weren't.

Not in your world, think of the bigger picture man!

We'd still be just as free today no matter what.

But freedom still needs to be defended, it God's given and everyone deserves it.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Free Afghans, hmm. I saw on CNN that in free Kabul, Afghan women are being spat on and money thrown on them as they are begging. Not much progress here.

It will take generations to completely change, and even
then they will change in their own way, but with our
help, women will become stronger, and they will eventually
have more independence, it is slow, their religious laws
control much of their lives, and the religious 'unfair'
laws are very difficult to change, it takes time, but it
will be done, even afghan women will stand up for themselves
over time, and as they see how our women can and do make
their own decisions about their own lives, they will too.

It's not going to completely happen in our life-time or
even our children's lifetimes, but it is important to keep
the taliban from turning that country back in time to an
archaic miserable existence for it's people.

There must also be other countries where we can send Canadian soldiers to die for women's rights. That's not why they were sent. But since they are there they can also support the military industrial complex and imperialism.

Key fact here, we're not gonna chamge them. I agree let them do it on their own time, but not on our treasure or blood.

 

[relic]

Good thinking alleywayz,do you think if the yanks did have to come to our aid they'd leave?! I'd a lot sooner be saved by,New Zealand or Austrailia, or Germany......

 

[ironsides]

Phillipines.....who installed their govt?

Now that you asked, the present goverment of the Philippines was created by the people themselves.

 

[AnnaG]

Absolutely. Afghanistan offers no threat to Canada. As usual Canadian troops are being used to fight some other nation's war.

As for former fighters from Sri Lanka they are not in Canada to attack Canada, but to escape a country where they would most likely be imprisoned or killed.

I would imagine some are here for that. However, Martin went fundraising for the ones that came here looking for funding for their activities back home.

The other guy?

Are you baked?

Nope. been pretty cool here lately.

I help the other guy, my neighbor, my fellow Canuck or landed immigrant.

How very noble.

Yes, I would nuke them over having our children die for someone elses problem.

Preferablly I'd do nothing but if some turd country kept attacking us or harbored those who did then bye bye.

That's fine, but I didn't hear any protests from those "children" when they were being shipped out. So I figure they knew what might be in their future if they joined up and accepted their orders.

The way I see it, if no-one fights the Taliban, (al QUaeda, etc.) then they either don't care if the Taliban grows or else they actually condone the Taliban

Free Afghans, hmm. I saw on CNN that in free Kabul, Afghan women are being spat on and money thrown on them as they are begging. Not much progress here.

That is right, Bin laden is an Arab, not an Afghan, and many Afghans resent what he has done their country. Afghans don't care much about Al-Qaeda and its goals but are caught in the trap of being dangerous brown people like Saddam that all deserve to be whacked.



Sorry. We don't have a dictatorship in Canada. That term is used in Canada inappropriately.

I met a man from the Phillipines who was reading a Canadian newspaper and was stunned to find criticism of Canadian politicians. He said in the Phillipines if you criticize politcians you get your throat slit. Now that is a dictatorship.

Right we don't have a dictatorship, we have a plutarchy.

There must also be other countries where we can send Canadian soldiers to die for women's rights. That's not why they were sent. But since they are there they can also support the military industrial complex and imperialism.

Key fact here, we're not gonna chamge them. I agree let them do it on their own time, but not on our treasure or blood.

Try imagine yourself in an Afghan woman's life. Life under the Taliban.

Civics | Life under the Taliban

And it was worse before the Taliban, if you can imagine that. So it seems to me that improvements are being made.

 

[In Between Man]

Good thinking alleywayz,do you think if the yanks did have to come to our aid they'd leave?! I'd a lot sooner be saved by,New Zealand or Austrailia, or Germany......

And while were waiting for those chumps to get here its warfare in the streets, you family gets murdered before your very eyes before your shipped to a labour camp. All because YOU have something against the United States of America. For crying out loud, they would leave eventually, once the coast is clear. Secondly, it doesn't matter worth sh it because they're watching our coasts and skies anywayz.

 

[talloola]

We would be very safe if we did not go into afghanistan,
but we are better people for going into afghanistan,
and it shows that we care, not just for ourselves, but
for others in the world.
We live such priviledged lives, and we need to help that
to rub off onto others, and not hide inside our country
and pretend others don't exist.

GO CANADA GO

 

[Avro]

That's fine, but I didn't hear any protests from those "children" when they were being shipped out. So I figure they knew what might be in their future if they joined up and accepted their orders.

They are soldiers, that's what they do, obey orders. That still dosen't mean we can just send them anywhere our politicians want them to go.

Such faith you have in our elected leaders....huh...who knew?

The way I see it, if no-one fights the Taliban, (al QUaeda, etc.) then they either don't care if the Taliban grows or else they actually condone the Taliban

The Taliban didn't attack the US, Al Quaeda did.

Ah yes the old if you oppose the war you must be a terroist supporter defense.:roll:

Try imagine yourself in an Afghan woman's life. Life under the Taliban.

Not my problem.

Since you are so eager to make the lives of other nations better with our men, women and resources should we not then be occuppying most of Africa, and parts of Central America?

 

[AnnaG]

They are soldiers, that's what they do, obey orders. That still dosen't mean we can just send them anywhere our politicians want them to go.

Then quit electing politicians. Or else change the laws so that Joe average is the only sort of person that can send soldiers anywhere.

Such faith you have in our elected leaders....huh...who knew?

Dumb comment.



[quuote]The Taliban didn't attack the US, Al Quaeda did. [/quote]I don't care. 1 terrorist group looks the same as another, IMO. And I am not talking about the USA anway.

Ah yes the old if you oppose the war you must be a terroist supporter defense.:roll:

I didn't say that. You only said I said that.

Not my problem.

How very compassionate of you.

Since you are so eager to make the lives of other nations better with our men, women and resources should we not then be occuppying most of Africa, and parts of Central America?

Canada already is in those place lending aid. Where you been?