World's scientists call on Stephen Harper to restore science funding, freedom

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Zipperfish

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That is why GEM got another $200 Million?

You mena that's why the mining industry got a $200M subsidy.

The Government of Canada is committed to helping unlock the full mineral and
energy potential of the North and to promoting responsible land development in
the region.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced on August 22nd 2013 renewed support
of $100 million over seven years (2013-2020) for the Geo-mapping for Energy and
Minerals (GEM) program, which advances geological knowledge in the North to
support increased exploration of natural resources and inform decisions on land
use that balance conservation and responsible resource development.
 

captain morgan

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Not really sceince either. It's tech. Basically doing exploration for the mining companies.


... That pay the many licenses, taxes, permits, royalties, etc, ad nauseum, that are then funneled to the scientists that believe the study of the meaning in the various songs of the yellow flanked harpsqueaker are important to my daily life.... Starting to see a trend here?

Sounds to me like you've lead a life wherein it's normal for the tail to wag the dog
 

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Every scientific initiative should have a convincing proposal with a practical purpose and it should be up to the government to decide if it is a worthwhile endeavor.

We have that already, it's just that we have a government that has a tight budget on science.

I think we should have a greater exposure on science but I can appreciate the fact that we have the penny pinchers in power right now.
 

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... That pay the many licenses, taxes, permits, royalties, etc, ad nauseum, that are then funneled to the scientists that believe the study of the meaning in the various songs of the yellow flanked harpsqueaker are important to my daily life.... Starting to see a trend here?

Yes--I already mentioned the trend. Conservatives don't like science. They probably just don't get it. You've mentioned a hrapsqueaker and taxslave mentioned Brazilian mosquiots. So, if that's the best idea of science you guys can come up with, I can see why you'd be antagonistic about it.
 

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It's not tech bub and it's not "for the mining companies".

Yeah it's technology. Unless they are running some kind of experiment I'm not aware of? And the Gov't of Canada press release says it's for exploitation of natural resources. aka mining.
 

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Yeah it's technology. Unless they are running some kind of experiment I'm not aware of? And the Gov't of Canada press release says it's for exploitation of natural resources. aka mining.

There are other important issues that rely on this as well. Native land claims for one. Parks for another. It would be stupid in the extreme to accidently put a new park on a major deposit when there are so many thousands of acres with no better use than a park.
 

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You sure about that?

That's what the press release sez. I'm not opposed in prinicple to subsidizing mining. The industry pays good money and hire lots in my particular field. And maybe they'll get thier money back and then some.

But it is a subsidy. It's science if they running some kind of experiment, but it doesn't look like that is what they are doing.

The bottleneck right now, at least her in BC, is First Nations. There doesn't seem to be a shortage of claims. If I were in charge, I'd be putting the government dollars towards working with First Nations and sorting that out.
 

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There are other important issues that rely on this as well. Native land claims for one. Parks for another. It would be stupid in the extreme to accidently put a new park on a major deposit when there are so many thousands of acres with no better use than a park.

Parks are usually plunked a top of a resource then used for collateral.
 

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Privately funded "science" might prioritize profits over actual science.

There's a great example in the news right now. Canadian researchers developed an ebola vaccine. A company is paying The Public Health Agency of Canada royalties to further develop it, now that there is a potential to earn money with it. It's our intellectual property, that was made using basic fundamental research that at the time had no commercial viability.