Was not relevant to the topic at all. That's why I was helping you out by pointing that out. I see from the comment below, that you're talking to yourself again. Gotta watch that, people are going to start wondering about your sanity.
Women Use #DressCodePM To Ridicule Prime Minister's Anti-Niqab Comments
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Was not relevant to the topic at all. That's why I was helping you out by pointing that out. I see from the comment below, that you're talking to yourself again. Gotta watch that, people are going to start wondering about your sanity.
You misread the article then, because she said in addition to it being a religious symbol for her.
There's another part in that article where she says it's in addition to get religious beliefs on the niqab.
If you post the link again I can find it for you.
If you post the link again I can find it for you.
It doesn't matter if she 'feels' it's religious or not...bottom line is, it is NOT religious... and mentalfloss you made that very point in favour of her wearing it while swearing in saying; "well she could say it is how she feels about it, that it's religous, anyone could say that".
You're right anyone could say anything is a religious right. They can feel it, they can think it. It is merely a feeling or thought based on misinformation OR even worse, meant to twist and manipulate the truth. This is a well educated woman. She knows better but she has the sympathy of some misinformed individuals who I might add have "their own agenda" which is less than squeaky clean. It's a political brick on their part and yours too.
Taliban and extreme groups promote it's use in public. They are a group of brain washed, violent, young thugs.
And she needs an ego boost if she can't be herself without hiding behind a wall of clothing. So she needs to unload her baggage and hop into Canadian society it's culture and its mores.
You're right anyone could say anything is a religious right. They can feel it, they can think it. It is merely a feeling or thought based on misinformation OR even worse, meant to twist and manipulate the truth. This is a well educated woman. She knows better but she has the sympathy of some misinformed individuals who I might add have "their own agenda" which is less than squeaky clean. It's a political brick on their part and yours too.
Taliban and extreme groups promote it's use in public. They are a group of brain washed, violent, young thugs.
And she needs an ego boost if she can't be herself without hiding behind a wall of clothing. So she needs to unload her baggage and hop into Canadian society it's culture and its mores.
Full Pundit: Justin Trudeau and the niqab
What’s Justin Trudeau up to?
In the National Post, David Frum alleges Justin Trudeau, in his recent speech on religious freedom, “champion[ed] the niqab as a symbol of liberty … in a way that edits Jews out of history and substitutes others into their place,” in a bid to “pander” for votes among people who appreciate that sort of thing.
Well. Where to begin? Trudeau didn’t champion the niqab as a symbol of liberty, or on any other basis; indeed (as Frum says) he noted that the niqab can be viewed “a symbol of oppression,” and defended the right to view it as such — but also the right to wear it. You can say it inherently “treat women like chattels” (Frum’s words) until you’re blue in the face, but forcing a woman who eloquently insists she wears it voluntarily to take it off is no kind of freedom we’re familiar with.
Moving on: Inappropriate and ill-advised as the comparison might be, mentioning anti-Jewish wartime immigration policies, thereby invoking the Holocaust, strikes us as a pretty lousy way of “editing Jews out of history.” And to whom is Mr. Trudeau pandering, exactly? Canadians bloody despise the niqab, including many Muslims.
Full Pundit: Justin Trudeau and the niqab
What’s Justin Trudeau up to?
In the National Post, David Frum alleges Justin Trudeau, in his recent speech on religious freedom, “champion[ed] the niqab as a symbol of liberty … in a way that edits Jews out of history and substitutes others into their place,” in a bid to “pander” for votes among people who appreciate that sort of thing.
Well. Where to begin? Trudeau didn’t champion the niqab as a symbol of liberty, or on any other basis; indeed (as Frum says) he noted that the niqab can be viewed “a symbol of oppression,” and defended the right to view it as such — but also the right to wear it. You can say it inherently “treat
Moving on: Inappropriate and ill-advised as the comparison might be, mentioning anti-Jewish wartime immigration policies, thereby invoking the Holocaust, strikes us as a pretty lousy way of “editing Jews out of history.” And to whom is Mr. Trudeau pandering, exactly? Canadians bloody despise the niqab, including many Muslims.
Full Pundit: Justin Trudeau and the niqab
sure. how about take the niqab off for the ceremony then go put the idiot thing back on for the rest of your days here.
Working hard to lose the next election in a really big way
Hardly, why, that full body suit is more than transparent enough for a passport photo, driver's license or taking an oath.
soooooooo is it body perfect dependent, otherwise lots of us gonna be nekkid eh?Can we compromise, maybe?
you'll be soooooorry...
It's about recognition of an individual... Honestly, if there was no need to identify the person taking the oath, the most logical solution would be to eliminate the oath all together.
Why wouldn't Trudeau make that the suggestion instead of some sad attempt at making this about women's rights?
Why wouldn't Trudeau make that the suggestion instead of some sad attempt at making this about women's rights?
Sheila Gunn Reid @SheilaGunnReid FTR Larry Miller didn't tell all Muslim women to go back where they came from, he told people who pick a fight at our front door to do that.
Your posts have never been relevant to anything except to show that you are a terrorist lover and hate jews because they are not muslim.
Harper appeals court ruling that struck down ban on wearing niqab during citizenship oath
Harper appeals court ruling that struck down ban on wearing niqab during citizenship oath
The federal government has carried through on its promise to appeal a court ruling that invalidated a policy forbidding women from covering their faces when being sworn in as citizens.
In a notice filed Monday with the Federal Court of Appeal, lawyers for the minister of citizenship and immigration said a federal judge committed several errors in fact and law, including “misapprehending, misconstruing or failing to consider the evidence before the court.”
The challenge against the niqab ban was originally brought forward by Zunera Ishaq, a Mississauga, Ont. mother from Pakistan who wrote in an affidavit that covering her face is “mandatory to my faith” and “integral to the modesty that a Muslim woman must show.”
In a court ruling last month, federal Judge Keith Boswell deemed the niqab ban to be unlawful because it “interferes with a citizenship judge’s duty to allow candidates for citizenship the greatest possible freedom in the religious solemnization or the solemn affirmation of the oath.”
That prompted Prime Minister Stephen Harper to vow to appeal the ruling because covering one’s face while being sworn in is “not how we do things here” and is “offensive.”
Naseem Mithoowani, Ms. Ishaq’s lawyer, said Monday her client is determined to continue fighting “as her case has implications for every Canadian and their free choice to live the life of their choosing and to dress as they see fit, so long as they are not harming anyone else.”
In a statement, a spokeswoman for Citizenship and Immigration Canada reiterated that those who take the oath of citizenship must do so “freely, openly and proudly for everyone to hear.”
“The Citizenship Oath is a public declaration that you are joining the Canadian family and that you are committed to Canadian values and traditions,” Sonia Lesage said in an email. “It remains an important final step in the citizenship process.”
There have been “rare” instances, she said, when individuals have been denied citizenship because they failed to recite the oath. But the government does not keep detailed numbers, she said.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper's defence of the niqab ban has featured prominently on the Conservative Party website. conservative.ca
The federal government’s push-back against Muslim women wearing niqabs during citizenship ceremonies has become a divisive pre-election issue. Mr. Harper’s defence of the niqab ban is still featured prominently on the Conservative Party home page. NDP leader Thomas Mulcair and Liberal leader Justin Trudeau have said the appeal is not necessary.
Rabia Khedr, a spokeswoman for the Federation of Muslim Women, said she didn’t understand why the government is spending so much time fighting the issue.
“C’mon people, let’s not make a mountain out of something that’s not even a mole hill,” said Ms. Khedr, who wears the more common hijab, which covers the head but not the face.
The number of Muslim women who cover their faces in Canada is very small, said Lynda Clarke, a Concordia University religion professor. “Anecdotally, it’s not liked in the Muslim community in general,” said Ms. Clarke, who carried out a study for the Canadian Council of Muslim Women on women who cover their faces.
The majority of niqab-wearing women who took part in the study were Canadian-born and many of them covered their faces against their families’ wishes, Ms. Clarke said.
These women typically did not cite the classic reasons for wearing a niqab — that being out in public would stir up sexual feelings among men, for instance — and instead cited a number of “individualistic” reasons for covering up, including the freedom to not have to dress up and the desire to please God, the professor said.
“It’s kind of a rebellion thing,” she said.
Still, the overall profile that emerged of these women is that they are “integrated … very happy to be in Canada and eager to serve the country,” Ms. Clarke said.
National Post
• Email: dquan@postmedia.com | Twitter: dougquan
Harper appeals court ruling that struck down ban on wearing niqab during citizenship oath
Harper appeals court ruling that struck down ban on wearing niqab during citizenship oath
The federal government has carried through on its promise to appeal a court ruling that invalidated a policy forbidding women from covering their faces when being sworn in as citizens.
In a notice filed Monday with the Federal Court of Appeal, lawyers for the minister of citizenship and immigration said a federal judge committed several errors in fact and law, including “misapprehending, misconstruing or failing to consider the evidence before the court.”
The challenge against the niqab ban was originally brought forward by Zunera Ishaq, a Mississauga, Ont. mother from Pakistan who wrote in an affidavit that covering her face is “mandatory to my faith” and “integral to the modesty that a Muslim woman must show.”
In a court ruling last month, federal Judge Keith Boswell deemed the niqab ban to be unlawful because it “interferes with a citizenship judge’s duty to allow candidates for citizenship the greatest possible freedom in the religious solemnization or the solemn affirmation of the oath.”
That prompted Prime Minister Stephen Harper to vow to appeal the ruling because covering one’s face while being sworn in is “not how we do things here” and is “offensive.”
Naseem Mithoowani, Ms. Ishaq’s lawyer, said Monday her client is determined to continue fighting “as her case has implications for every Canadian and their free choice to live the life of their choosing and to dress as they see fit, so long as they are not harming anyone else.”
In a statement, a spokeswoman for Citizenship and Immigration Canada reiterated that those who take the oath of citizenship must do so “freely, openly and proudly for everyone to hear.”
“The Citizenship Oath is a public declaration that you are joining the Canadian family and that you are committed to Canadian values and traditions,” Sonia Lesage said in an email. “It remains an important final step in the citizenship process.”
There have been “rare” instances, she said, when individuals have been denied citizenship because they failed to recite the oath. But the government does not keep detailed numbers, she said.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper's defence of the niqab ban has featured prominently on the Conservative Party website. conservative.ca
The federal government’s push-back against Muslim women wearing niqabs during citizenship ceremonies has become a divisive pre-election issue. Mr. Harper’s defence of the niqab ban is still featured prominently on the Conservative Party home page. NDP leader Thomas Mulcair and Liberal leader Justin Trudeau have said the appeal is not necessary.
Rabia Khedr, a spokeswoman for the Federation of Muslim Women, said she didn’t understand why the government is spending so much time fighting the issue.
“C’mon people, let’s not make a mountain out of something that’s not even a mole hill,” said Ms. Khedr, who wears the more common hijab, which covers the head but not the face.
The number of Muslim women who cover their faces in Canada is very small, said Lynda Clarke, a Concordia University religion professor. “Anecdotally, it’s not liked in the Muslim community in general,” said Ms. Clarke, who carried out a study for the Canadian Council of Muslim Women on women who cover their faces.
The majority of niqab-wearing women who took part in the study were Canadian-born and many of them covered their faces against their families’ wishes, Ms. Clarke said.
These women typically did not cite the classic reasons for wearing a niqab — that being out in public would stir up sexual feelings among men, for instance — and instead cited a number of “individualistic” reasons for covering up, including the freedom to not have to dress up and the desire to please God, the professor said.
“It’s kind of a rebellion thing,” she said.
Still, the overall profile that emerged of these women is that they are “integrated … very happy to be in Canada and eager to serve the country,” Ms. Clarke said.
National Post
• Email: dquan@postmedia.com | Twitter: dougquan
Harper appeals court ruling that struck down ban on wearing niqab during citizenship oath
My two degrees, the first with a GPA of 4.0+ would kinda belie that assumption.
BTW, it was in history and political science, two things you obviously know nothing about.
So go **** yourself.
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