So, now the KKK can come to Canada and take the citizenship oath wearing the hood.
(I only wish I had come up with that analogy!!)
I mean, why not?
Women Use #DressCodePM To Ridicule Prime Minister's Anti-Niqab Comments
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So, now the KKK can come to Canada and take the citizenship oath wearing the hood.
(I only wish I had come up with that analogy!!)
I mean, why not?
This is where we disagree
It all depends on who you talk to, and yes, I am referring to Islamic/religious individuals and not my personal opinion.
Many have indicated that the requirement for women to cover themselves so completely is not a religious-based requirement and as this is the case, it is not understood to be a religious garment on a universal basis within Islam.
The practices/laws (if it is a law) is what counts, not the impression of you are me or Justine for that matter.
As for anti-women behavior, why don't we put that question to some of the women on these boards and see what they have to say?
This requirement has been in place long before Justine's old man was in power and even PET didn't get on this broken band wagon... That should tell you something
Nonsense... The 'fear' you speak of is nothing more than the rhetoric spewed by Justine in an attempt to generate some marketing opportunities in the Canadian political sphere... Nothing more
How about a man from a patriarchal culture that refuses to acknowledge the rulings of a female judge?.. Should we bend to this too?
I already stated that before.
You should be able to dress like a circus clown if you really want to.
But that's my extremely right wing opinion.
As far as I understand it, the existing legislation is only for religious tolerance.
No, you can't have our pointy-headed defectives. We need them for the laughs, and to fill the frat houses.
most women who wear niqabs need to remove it here for reasons such as medical, social services, identity and security-related matters.
in fact most find it a generally positive experience
take it off to be sworn-in and go enjoy your freedoms here. feel oppressed, or let us hear you roar. what do we care.
anyway, who has the numbers on how many niqab-wearing women there are in Canada? beuller? anyone?
pretty sure one of the talking heads in yesterday's power and politics threw out 100 in their little heated discussion. seems low but ya never know. maybe 100 in toronto, who knows. but I'm sure as hell not gonna watch the episode again. :lol:
in fact most find it a generally positive experience
take it off to be sworn-in and go enjoy your freedoms here. feel oppressed, or let us hear you roar. what do we care.
anyway, who has the numbers on how many niqab-wearing women there are in Canada? beuller? anyone?
pretty sure one of the talking heads in yesterday's power and politics threw out 100 in their little heated discussion. seems low but ya never know. maybe 100 in toronto, who knows. but I'm sure as hell not gonna watch the episode again. :lol:
At Issue: Harper's pivot to the niqab debate
"Why would Canadians, contrary to our own values, embrace a practice of that time that is not transparent, that is not open and that, frankly, is rooted in a culture that is anti-women."
That was the language Prime Minister Stephen Harper used in the House of Commons this week to defend the government's decision to appeal a court ruling allowing a woman to wear a niqab during the oath of citizenship.
It was not the first time the prime minister has weighed in on the divisive issue, but Harper's definitively strong choice of words ignited swift backlash online and has drawn the focus away from issues like the economy and foreign policy in a federal election year.
The National's At Issue panel concluded it is a perplexing and perhaps politically virulent move on behalf of the incumbents.
Pollster Bruce Anderson of Abacus Data said that while there is a legitimate debate to be had, Harper and the Conservatives have "been a bit reckless" in their approach. They have implied that the root of the problem lies in Islam itself. The effort to shift the conversation away from governing is "only a mistake" in his opinion, Anderson said.
Toronto Star national affairs columnist Chantal Hébert said Harper's voluntary pivot to the debate over the niqab's place in Canadian society echoed of the Parti Québécois's attempt to sell voters on a charter of values. That shifted the focus away from more pressing issues in Quebec and is largely credited with being the downfall of the party's election loss.
Postmedia/National Post columnist Andrew Coyne pointed out that the prime minister made similar "inflammatory" comments at a campaign rally earlier this month. The Conservatives quickly used the issue as a pillar of their fundraising efforts. The problem, Coyne said, is that Harper "upped the stakes" emotionally and forfeited any hopes of a reasoned, informed debate on the niqab and other religious garbs.
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/politics/at-issue-harper-s-pivot-to-the-niqab-debate-1.2993542
"Why would Canadians, contrary to our own values, embrace a practice of that time that is not transparent, that is not open and that, frankly, is rooted in a culture that is anti-women."
That was the language Prime Minister Stephen Harper used in the House of Commons this week to defend the government's decision to appeal a court ruling allowing a woman to wear a niqab during the oath of citizenship.
It was not the first time the prime minister has weighed in on the divisive issue, but Harper's definitively strong choice of words ignited swift backlash online and has drawn the focus away from issues like the economy and foreign policy in a federal election year.
The National's At Issue panel concluded it is a perplexing and perhaps politically virulent move on behalf of the incumbents.
Pollster Bruce Anderson of Abacus Data said that while there is a legitimate debate to be had, Harper and the Conservatives have "been a bit reckless" in their approach. They have implied that the root of the problem lies in Islam itself. The effort to shift the conversation away from governing is "only a mistake" in his opinion, Anderson said.
Toronto Star national affairs columnist Chantal Hébert said Harper's voluntary pivot to the debate over the niqab's place in Canadian society echoed of the Parti Québécois's attempt to sell voters on a charter of values. That shifted the focus away from more pressing issues in Quebec and is largely credited with being the downfall of the party's election loss.
Postmedia/National Post columnist Andrew Coyne pointed out that the prime minister made similar "inflammatory" comments at a campaign rally earlier this month. The Conservatives quickly used the issue as a pillar of their fundraising efforts. The problem, Coyne said, is that Harper "upped the stakes" emotionally and forfeited any hopes of a reasoned, informed debate on the niqab and other religious garbs.
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/politics/at-issue-harper-s-pivot-to-the-niqab-debate-1.2993542
I think anyone being sworn in as a Canadian citizen should be required to wear clunky boots, ratty jeans, a faded flannel shirt, three layers of underwear, and a stupid-looking hat. And should be required to carry a bottle of Molson.
How else will they understand how free they are?
How else will they understand how free they are?
Yep.
You should be able to dress like a circus tent on the street.
But courts and oaths require some solemnity, a serious atmosphere,......and proper and respectful attitudes in dress and action.
The niqab is exactly the opposite.
It is disrespectful to Canadian tradition and attitude.
"Why would Canadians, contrary to our own values, embrace a practice of that time that is not transparent, that is not open and that, frankly, is rooted in a culture that is anti-women."
Probably one of the most accurate statements Harper has ever made.
I have NO idea why we are even letting women in niqabs into the country.
It screams "ISLAMIST", and they are our enemies.
That simple.
It requires a progressive to be stupid enough to let their sworn enemies live in their house.
1. Can I wear a baseball cap in the court room??
2. Do you believe in separation of Church and State?
3. Can I wear a Hockey Mask when I go get my Drivers License photo, Passport photo or cash a check.
Eh Hockey is a Canadian religion :lol:
No. The great Canadian tradition of being able to SEE that someone is actually saying the words of an oath, and to WITNESS their expression, to thereby judge the sincerity of their actions.
Oath ain't enforceable and you know it.
As far as watching their lips move as the gold standard of honesty, if you actually follow that I know a VERY sincere Nigerian prince who needs your help and will give you a large amount of money for little effort.
I wish you would, and I'm sure the good folk down at Motor Vehicles would thank you for your consideration.
Ironic that quite a few in here that defend islam are confirmed atheists..I might even say hypocrites...
Will Stephen Harper regret remark on niqabs?
Yes.
Harper's comments stem from ignorance … and assumption these women don't have minds: Nadia Kidwai
Prime Minister Stephen Harper might regret his suggestion that the practice of covering one's face with a niqab is "rooted in a culture that is anti-women."
Chris Adams, a political scientist and professor at the University of Manitoba, said Harper should be concerned about the political fallout of his comments.
“I think it’s a very problematic area to be wading into. It's an issue Canadians get divided on,” he said. “I think Canadians generally are very empathetic people for people of different cultures, and I think the PM’s office will regret having waded into this issue in this way."
Harper's comments have already outraged some Muslim women in Winnipeg.
"It was a choice for me I wear the hijab, the head covering, it was a choice and one that I feel is empowering and one that I feel proud of," said Nadia Kidwai, who is active in the Winnipeg Muslim community.
"When I was at Oxford University, a lot of my friends wore the face veil [niqab] and these were Oxford graduates who were thinking, intellectual, smart women who went on to work."
She thinks Harper's comments stem from ignorance, adding she doesn't know how many women he personally knows with a niqab. It's a misconception and the assumption that these women don't have minds, she said.
"[The comment] was shocking because it was so blatant and then it wasn't shocking because he's been inferring these anti-Muslim, anti-Islamic mindset for years. But you just don't think it gets as blatant as it did."
The debate over head-coverings has picked up speed since the government said it would challenge a Federal Court decision that overturned a ban on face coverings in citizenship ceremonies.
The court said the ban interfered with a judge's "duty to allow candidates for citizenship the greatest possible freedom in the religious solemnization or the solemn affirmation of the oath."
Harper, who has called the Federal Court’s move to strike down the 2011 ban “offensive” said on Tuesday in the House of Commons that “we don't allow people to … to cover their faces during citizenship ceremonies.
“Why would Canadians, contrary to our own values, embrace a practice at that time that is not transparent, that is not open and, frankly, is rooted in a culture that is anti-women?”
"I think it is shocking and surprising that he would claim to care about women, especially when he has made no attempt at all to investigate the crisis of murdered and missing aboriginal women in our country," said Nulifer Rahman, a Winnipeg documentary filmmaker.
"Yet he's blatantly saying that other cultures are anti-women. It's an extremely disturbing trend.
Rahman said she doesn't understand what Harper is talking about when he says the niqab is contrary to Canadian values.
"I thought that I grew up in a Canada where the primary value was inclusiveness and acceptance, multiculturalism and diversity, and you know, having a society where people can be different," she said.
"He basically said 'you are not part of the Canadian family if you do not subscribe to our values.'"
Chris Adams said Harper and his Conservative Party could feel the sting of the comments at the ballot box in the fall.
"One of the things is the extent to which new Canadians embrace the Conservative Party versus Liberals and NDP," he said.
There will be a number of new Canadians, citizens of Canada born elsewhere and who are now voting Canadians and will be thinking about these comments and how does this stand with their view. We have a lot of new Muslims who are coming into Canada that might be offended by these remarks.
"The language of it being anti-women is very surprising and I think he wishes he had not said it in those terms."
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/man...-niqabs-shocking-say-winnipeg-women-1.2991721
Yes.
Harper's comments stem from ignorance … and assumption these women don't have minds: Nadia Kidwai
Prime Minister Stephen Harper might regret his suggestion that the practice of covering one's face with a niqab is "rooted in a culture that is anti-women."
Chris Adams, a political scientist and professor at the University of Manitoba, said Harper should be concerned about the political fallout of his comments.
“I think it’s a very problematic area to be wading into. It's an issue Canadians get divided on,” he said. “I think Canadians generally are very empathetic people for people of different cultures, and I think the PM’s office will regret having waded into this issue in this way."
Harper's comments have already outraged some Muslim women in Winnipeg.
"It was a choice for me I wear the hijab, the head covering, it was a choice and one that I feel is empowering and one that I feel proud of," said Nadia Kidwai, who is active in the Winnipeg Muslim community.
"When I was at Oxford University, a lot of my friends wore the face veil [niqab] and these were Oxford graduates who were thinking, intellectual, smart women who went on to work."
She thinks Harper's comments stem from ignorance, adding she doesn't know how many women he personally knows with a niqab. It's a misconception and the assumption that these women don't have minds, she said.
"[The comment] was shocking because it was so blatant and then it wasn't shocking because he's been inferring these anti-Muslim, anti-Islamic mindset for years. But you just don't think it gets as blatant as it did."
The debate over head-coverings has picked up speed since the government said it would challenge a Federal Court decision that overturned a ban on face coverings in citizenship ceremonies.
The court said the ban interfered with a judge's "duty to allow candidates for citizenship the greatest possible freedom in the religious solemnization or the solemn affirmation of the oath."
Harper, who has called the Federal Court’s move to strike down the 2011 ban “offensive” said on Tuesday in the House of Commons that “we don't allow people to … to cover their faces during citizenship ceremonies.
“Why would Canadians, contrary to our own values, embrace a practice at that time that is not transparent, that is not open and, frankly, is rooted in a culture that is anti-women?”
"I think it is shocking and surprising that he would claim to care about women, especially when he has made no attempt at all to investigate the crisis of murdered and missing aboriginal women in our country," said Nulifer Rahman, a Winnipeg documentary filmmaker.
"Yet he's blatantly saying that other cultures are anti-women. It's an extremely disturbing trend.
Rahman said she doesn't understand what Harper is talking about when he says the niqab is contrary to Canadian values.
"I thought that I grew up in a Canada where the primary value was inclusiveness and acceptance, multiculturalism and diversity, and you know, having a society where people can be different," she said.
"He basically said 'you are not part of the Canadian family if you do not subscribe to our values.'"
Chris Adams said Harper and his Conservative Party could feel the sting of the comments at the ballot box in the fall.
"One of the things is the extent to which new Canadians embrace the Conservative Party versus Liberals and NDP," he said.
There will be a number of new Canadians, citizens of Canada born elsewhere and who are now voting Canadians and will be thinking about these comments and how does this stand with their view. We have a lot of new Muslims who are coming into Canada that might be offended by these remarks.
"The language of it being anti-women is very surprising and I think he wishes he had not said it in those terms."
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/man...-niqabs-shocking-say-winnipeg-women-1.2991721
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I think he is saying the truth, and believes with all of his hart that the women are only doing this to please their husbands that demand complete obedience in the name of Islam.
regarding the niqab, yes and so do most sensible Canadians as the poll showed. the ones that try to disagree are the ones already mad at harper anyway. it's a double whammy for them.
next post officially makes flossy's thread 'viral'.
Angstrom, there are women already stating that the niqab empowers them. Are they lying?
Locutus, this isn't an issue where the majority should be determining policy. It is precisely the point that religious minorities are protected in this circumstance.
Locutus, this isn't an issue where the majority should be determining policy. It is precisely the point that religious minorities are protected in this circumstance.