Woman dies after brutal beating

[gerryh]

In this day and age people are offered phsychotics for anything menopause to a sore a finger...

Really now, phsychotics for a sore finger? I call bullshyte and put forward that you are fear mongering.

 

[JLM]

Really now, phsychotics for a sore finger? I call bullshyte and put forward that you are fear mongering.

A little humour Gerry, it's called hyperbole, life is too short to be as serious as you are..............when was the last year you smiled? -

 

[gerryh]

it's called fear mongering.

one other small point, we are all able to say no to a doctors diagnosis and his/her choice of therapy.

A little humour Gerry, it's called hyperbole, life is too short to be as serious as you are..............when was the last year you smiled? -

I'm afraid I don't see anything humorous in any of this topic. I would also question the sanity of anyone that did find humour in any of it.

 

[JLM]

it's called fear mongering.

one other small point, we are all able to say no to a doctors diagnosis and his/her choice of therapy.




I'm afraid I don't see anything humorous in any of this topic. I would also question the sanity of anyone that did find humour in any of it.

Sticking strictly to the wording of the topic, I don't either, but you know as well as I that topics tend to "wander" into related or unrelated "territory" where there might be some humour.

 

[Goober]

Dear Goober,

All Im saying is that its time to educate ourselves ... these legal mind altering drugs are being given out hand over fist and to our babies.. It seems pretty ovbious that many people are not aware of what these drugs have been known to cause.

If we dont educate ourselves how else will we make any changes? How many sensless massacres before people start seeing the common thread is presciption mind altering drugs... Apparently we cant depend on the media so how else does the message get out there?

I know a number of Soldiers where these were used as treatment and saved their lives.
You have an agenda. Fact- I am informed- well on some things. Well only when they meet certain criteria. And then it all falls down to depends. No not those. Just depends.

Now get off that one trick pony.

 

[no more drugs]

Really now, phsychotics for a sore finger? I call bullshyte and put forward that you are fear mongering.

Gerry,

I can tell you have no idea how often these drugs are recommended and for very little reason.. You can do much reseacrh on the net.

Many doctors are recommending these pills for chronic pain ( I wrote a sore finger above and should have eloborated) like arthritis or a slow healing injury.

These pills are recommended for things like high blood pressure, someone having some insomnia, couples with fertility issues, people going through peri menopause, and menopause... the list goes on...students who have enormous pressure...look up the stats to see how many fulltime students are on them...

My point is that the market for these drugs have skyrocketed because the pharmaceutical companies have found ways to incorporate these prescriptions for many things other than depression, add, adhd, aspergers, etc...

Sadly many people believe believe these pills arent given to people who are perfectly normal (pre-treatment) ...

It really isnt funny and it is easy to go on the net and type in antipressants and "uses" ....

 

[Goober]

Gerry,

I can tell you have no idea how often these drugs are recommended and for very little reason.. You can do much reseacrh on the net.

Many doctors are recommending these pills for chronic pain ( I wrote a sore finger above and should have eloborated) like arthritis or a slow healing injury.

These pills are recommended for things like high blood pressure, someone having some insomnia, couples with fertility issues, people going through peri menopause, and menopause... the list goes on...students who have enormous pressure...look up the stats to see how many fulltime students are on them...

My point is that the market for these drugs have skyrocketed because the pharmaceutical companies have found ways to incorporate these prescriptions for many things other than depression, add, adhd, aspergers, etc...

Sadly many people believe believe these pills arent given to people who are perfectly normal (pre-treatment) ...

It really isnt funny and it is easy to go on the net and type in antipressants and "uses" ....

So far it is an uniformed allegations- Please provide links. The regs for prescribing SSRI have tightened as they well should.

 

[no more drugs]

it's called fear mongering.

one other small point, we are all able to say no to a doctors diagnosis and his/her choice of therapy.



Gerry.. you are absolutely right that we adults have a choice to say no, but here is the problem. A vast majority have grown up with the belief that antidepressants are a cure for everything and that they work. Lets face it if you listen to the pharma ads they make these pills sound like problem solvers.. People have the idea that if they didnt work, then they wouldnt be available.. which is simply not true. The commercials quickly name some of the side effects but they sell the pills in their ads.

Im thinking that you arent aware that if a teacher deems a student a problem, then they can insist the child be medicated and if the parents wont do it, the school can toss the child and even involve child welfare by suggesting that parents are medically neglictful byu not putting their child on drugs.

Type in "Antipressant" school...

These drugs are poisoning society and we are sitting back with our hand in the sand. We need to demand toxicology reports and medical history be given for all these types of vio,ent crimes.

I assume you do know that a side effect of these drugs is suicidal and homicidal ideation correct?

Also Gerry, I can not find one mass shooting where the shooter wasnt alleged to be on prescription meds or withdrawing from them.

The medical history and toxocology reports are kept from the public. We need to see them so people can see the trend ...

Do you know doctors are paid $$$$ (kickbacks) by pharma companies on these drugs everytime a prescription is written?

Do you wonder why the media hasnt asked if Alison Easton was taking these type of meds also? SO far we have heard allegations that there was a history of depression but no one in the media has asked about legal prescription mind altering drugs.

So far it is an uniformed allegations- Please provide links. The regs for prescribing SSRI have tightened as they well should.

Hi Goober,

I want sure if we can put links .. so thanks for the info...sadly we are told that they have tightened up but there are more prescriptions written 2012 than ever... and to ages from babies to the elderly. Suicide and violence has skyrocketed and we need to look at what may be the cause ... so far we are hearing in so many tragedies that it is totally shocking and unbelievable that kind gentle people are commiting such violent acts. These acts of violence are a known side effect of antidepressants but we seem to be overlooking these side effects and either blaming the violence on mental illness or guns..

In the meantime if you go into a google search engine and type in 2 things

"antidepressants" "chronic pain"

you will see for yourself ...........

then type in...

"antidepressant" "menopause"

Here is a link from the Mato clinic ..

I snipped the first paragraph..
"Antidepressants are a mainstay in the treatment of many chronic pain conditions — even when depression isn't a factor.

By Mayo Clinic staff
Some of the more effective and commonly used medications for chronic pain are drugs that were developed to control other conditions. Although not Food and Drug Administration approved to treat chronic pain, antidepressants are a mainstay in the treatment of many chronic pain conditions — even when depression isn't a factor."
Types of pain relieved


keep reading @

Antidepressants: Another weapon against chronic pain - MayoClinic.com


I was going to post some links for antipressant use and menopause but there are so many that any person should type in google "antidepressant" "treatment for"

this way anyone can see for themselves just how many reasons have to prescribe these drugs..

I know a number of Soldiers where these were used as treatment and saved their lives.
You have an agenda. Fact- I am informed- well on some things. Well only when they meet certain criteria. And then it all falls down to depends. No not those. Just depends.

Now get off that one trick pony.

Dear Goobs,

Have you read this article below? There is much research that says the contrary to your post...

I will also supply the link ..

Psychiatric Drug Facts with Dr. Peter Breggin - Antidepressants Cause Suicide and Violence in Soldiers

by Dr Peter Breggin

Antidepressants Cause Suicide and Violence in Soldiers | Print | E-mail

Here are the starting facts: Death by suicide is at record levels in the armed services. Simultaneously the use of antidepressant drugs is also at record levels, including brand names like Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Celexa and Lexapro.

According to the army, in 2007 17% of combat troops in Afghanistan were taking prescription antidepressants or sleeping pills. Inside sources have given me an even bleaker picture: During Vietnam, a mere 1% our troops were taking prescribed psychiatric drugs. By contrast, in the past year one-third of marines in combat zones were taking psychiatric drugs.

Are the pills helping? The army confirms that since 2002 the number of suicide attempts has increased six-fold. And more than 128 soldiers killed themselves last year.

One theory states that the increased prescription of drugs is a response to increased depression among the soldiers. In reality, the use of psychiatric drugs escalates when, and only when, drug companies and their minions target new markets. In this case, the armed services have been pushing drugs as a cheap alternative to taking genuine care of the young men and women in our military. Instead of shortening tours of duty, instead of temporarily removing stressed-out soldiers from combat zones, and instead of providing counseling--the new army policy is to drug the troops.

There are many excellent therapeutic and educational programs for helping soldiers and veterans deal with war-related stresses. I recently addressed a national conference on stress in the military where I learned more about these approaches. I talked with many military officers and healthcare providers who want human services to replace the increasing prescription of psychiatric drugs. Some observed that the drugs often change the personality of the soldiers, making them irritable, edgy, and angry. They fear these drugs many unleash impulsive violence. Meanwhile, because many soldiers don't want to take psychiatric medications, they avoid seeking any kind of help.

It's worth re-emphasizing that used of antidepressants is based more on myth than on science. Here are some proven facts totally at odds with medical propaganda:

First, there is no evidence that antidepressants prevent suicide and a great deal of evidence that they cause it.

Second, antidepressants almost never cure depression and instead they frequently worsen depression.

Third, antidepressants never cure biochemical imbalances. Instead, they always cause them. There are no known biochemical imbalances in the brains of depressed people until they start taking toxic psychiatric drugs and every person who takes one of these drugs end up with a significant biochemical disturbance in the brain. That's how the drugs work--by disrupting normal biochemical processes in the brain.

Fourth, when all antidepressant studies are examined as a group, rather than cherry picked by the drug companies, antidepressants are no better than placebo.

FDA approval for an antidepressant requires that the drug companies produce only two positive clinical trials showing that the drug performs better than a sugar pill. So the drug companies carry out numerous studies using their more reliable paid hacks. Back at company headquarters, they then manipulate the data until they can make two studies look positive. Meanwhile, when all the studies are examined in what's called a meta-analysis, the antidepressants are no better than a sugar pill. And of course, they are extraordinarily more dangerous.

Conclusion? Antidepressants are a hoax--in this case, a hoax that is killing members of our armed services.

With billions of dollars at stake, the drug companies also do everything they can to downplay the risks of their products. Thus the pharmaceutical industry failed to find any evidence that antidepressants cause suicidality until the FDA forced them to re-evaluate their old data. The result? Now the FDA requires a black box warning that antidepressants increase the risk of suicidal behavior in children, youth and young adults. Limiting the risk to that age group is of course nonsense; these drugs cause suicidality in all ages.

In addition to suicide, the drugs cause a spectrum of adverse effects that are especially hazardous to soldiers who need the ability to control their emotions, especially their frustration and anger. Many of the most common antidepressant side effects involve over-stimulation. The FDA requires drug companies to list the following negative effects in their descriptions of their antidepressant medications: "anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, aggressiveness, impulsivity...and mania." We are giving our troops drugs that provide a prescription for uncontrolled, disinhibited violence, including agitation, irritability, impulsivity, hostility, and aggressiveness.

In my latest book, Medication Madness, I describe dozens of dramatic cases in which peace-loving citizens have become suicidal, violent and psychotic from taking antidepressant drugs like Prozac, Paxil and Zoloft.

Meanwhile, as dangerous as it is to take antidepressant drugs, people should not rush into stopping them. After being exposed to these chemical agents for months or years, many people undergo agonizing emotional and physical withdrawal reactions. Some people crash into depression, some feel driven into anxiety, and others become irrationally angry. Many have bizarre neurological reactions like electric shocks in the head and weird feelings in their extremities. Withdrawal from antidepressants should be done gradually with experienced clinical supervision and the supportive involvement of family and friends.

Despite all the emphasis of giving drugs to depressed people, many recover from depression with time on their own, while others receive help from a variety of sources, including therapy, family, and religion. Depression is a loss of hope. Depressed people are unable to see any ethical or viable options that will bring them happiness. They feel stymied, even emotionally paralyzed, because every choice seems bleak or overwhelming. They have given up. That's why, in the extreme, they sometimes want to die. They feel utterly helpless and hopeless in regard to making good lives for themselves.

The restoration of hope is key to overcoming depression and hope can come from many sources. The alternative to antidepressants is all of life: romantic love, family, friends, community, nature, and religion all help people overcome depression. Scientific studies show that everything from a new pet to an exercise program, as well as the passage of time, can relieve depression.

I explain to my patients: You have lost faith in your life--that you will ever love anyone or anything again. Getting over your depression will require pushing through your conflicts and fears, and finding the courage to love again--to love people, to love creative work, to love nature, and to love life.

Modern biological psychiatry reflects and reinforces the worst in human values. Instead of liberating the spirit of overburdened and overwhelmed people, psychiatry denies and rejects the human spirit. It makes up fake biochemical theories that drive people feel even more helpless. Most tragically, psychiatry then subdues the spirit by blunting the functions of the brain.

The principles for overcoming depression are exactly the same principles required for living a good and happy life. Good counseling offers an enthusiastic approach that inspires hope, while helping individuals to understand and to overcome their psychological barriers in order to exercise personal freedom, to take charge of their lives and to pursue happiness according to their own chose ethics and ideals.

I am not talking about unleashing a narcissistic approach--that kind of self-centeredness is more characteristic of depression itself. I'm talking about a whole-hearted embracing of life in which individuals overcome hopelessness, and renew their determination to take responsibility, to love, and to contribute to the family and community.

Peter R. Breggin, M.D. is the author of Medication Madness: The Role of Psychiatric Drugs in Violence, Suicide, and Murder (St. Martin's Press, 2008, now in paperback).​

Antidepressants Cause Suicide and Violence in Soldiers | Print | E-mail

Here are the starting facts: Death by suicide is at record levels in the armed services. Simultaneously the use of antidepressant drugs is also at record levels, including brand names like Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Celexa and Lexapro.

According to the army, in 2007 17% of combat troops in Afghanistan were taking prescription antidepressants or sleeping pills. Inside sources have given me an even bleaker picture: During Vietnam, a mere 1% our troops were taking prescribed psychiatric drugs. By contrast, in the past year one-third of marines in combat zones were taking psychiatric drugs.

Are the pills helping? The army confirms that since 2002 the number of suicide attempts has increased six-fold. And more than 128 soldiers killed themselves last year.

One theory states that the increased prescription of drugs is a response to increased depression among the soldiers. In reality, the use of psychiatric drugs escalates when, and only when, drug companies and their minions target new markets. In this case, the armed services have been pushing drugs as a cheap alternative to taking genuine care of the young men and women in our military. Instead of shortening tours of duty, instead of temporarily removing stressed-out soldiers from combat zones, and instead of providing counseling--the new army policy is to drug the troops.

There are many excellent therapeutic and educational programs for helping soldiers and veterans deal with war-related stresses. I recently addressed a national conference on stress in the military where I learned more about these approaches. I talked with many military officers and healthcare providers who want human services to replace the increasing prescription of psychiatric drugs. Some observed that the drugs often change the personality of the soldiers, making them irritable, edgy, and angry. They fear these drugs many unleash impulsive violence. Meanwhile, because many soldiers don't want to take psychiatric medications, they avoid seeking any kind of help.

It's worth re-emphasizing that used of antidepressants is based more on myth than on science. Here are some proven facts totally at odds with medical propaganda:

First, there is no evidence that antidepressants prevent suicide and a great deal of evidence that they cause it.

Second, antidepressants almost never cure depression and instead they frequently worsen depression.

Third, antidepressants never cure biochemical imbalances. Instead, they always cause them. There are no known biochemical imbalances in the brains of depressed people until they start taking toxic psychiatric drugs and every person who takes one of these drugs end up with a significant biochemical disturbance in the brain. That's how the drugs work--by disrupting normal biochemical processes in the brain.

Fourth, when all antidepressant studies are examined as a group, rather than cherry picked by the drug companies, antidepressants are no better than placebo.

FDA approval for an antidepressant requires that the drug companies produce only two positive clinical trials showing that the drug performs better than a sugar pill. So the drug companies carry out numerous studies using their more reliable paid hacks. Back at company headquarters, they then manipulate the data until they can make two studies look positive. Meanwhile, when all the studies are examined in what's called a meta-analysis, the antidepressants are no better than a sugar pill. And of course, they are extraordinarily more dangerous.

Conclusion? Antidepressants are a hoax--in this case, a hoax that is killing members of our armed services.

With billions of dollars at stake, the drug companies also do everything they can to downplay the risks of their products. Thus the pharmaceutical industry failed to find any evidence that antidepressants cause suicidality until the FDA forced them to re-evaluate their old data. The result? Now the FDA requires a black box warning that antidepressants increase the risk of suicidal behavior in children, youth and young adults. Limiting the risk to that age group is of course nonsense; these drugs cause suicidality in all ages.

In addition to suicide, the drugs cause a spectrum of adverse effects that are especially hazardous to soldiers who need the ability to control their emotions, especially their frustration and anger. Many of the most common antidepressant side effects involve over-stimulation. The FDA requires drug companies to list the following negative effects in their descriptions of their antidepressant medications: "anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, aggressiveness, impulsivity...and mania." We are giving our troops drugs that provide a prescription for uncontrolled, disinhibited violence, including agitation, irritability, impulsivity, hostility, and aggressiveness.

In my latest book, Medication Madness, I describe dozens of dramatic cases in which peace-loving citizens have become suicidal, violent and psychotic from taking antidepressant drugs like Prozac, Paxil and Zoloft.

Meanwhile, as dangerous as it is to take antidepressant drugs, people should not rush into stopping them. After being exposed to these chemical agents for months or years, many people undergo agonizing emotional and physical withdrawal reactions. Some people crash into depression, some feel driven into anxiety, and others become irrationally angry. Many have bizarre neurological reactions like electric shocks in the head and weird feelings in their extremities. Withdrawal from antidepressants should be done gradually with experienced clinical supervision and the supportive involvement of family and friends.

Despite all the emphasis of giving drugs to depressed people, many recover from depression with time on their own, while others receive help from a variety of sources, including therapy, family, and religion. Depression is a loss of hope. Depressed people are unable to see any ethical or viable options that will bring them happiness. They feel stymied, even emotionally paralyzed, because every choice seems bleak or overwhelming. They have given up. That's why, in the extreme, they sometimes want to die. They feel utterly helpless and hopeless in regard to making good lives for themselves.

The restoration of hope is key to overcoming depression and hope can come from many sources. The alternative to antidepressants is all of life: romantic love, family, friends, community, nature, and religion all help people overcome depression. Scientific studies show that everything from a new pet to an exercise program, as well as the passage of time, can relieve depression.

I explain to my patients: You have lost faith in your life--that you will ever love anyone or anything again. Getting over your depression will require pushing through your conflicts and fears, and finding the courage to love again--to love people, to love creative work, to love nature, and to love life.

Modern biological psychiatry reflects and reinforces the worst in human values. Instead of liberating the spirit of overburdened and overwhelmed people, psychiatry denies and rejects the human spirit. It makes up fake biochemical theories that drive people feel even more helpless. Most tragically, psychiatry then subdues the spirit by blunting the functions of the brain.

The principles for overcoming depression are exactly the same principles required for living a good and happy life. Good counseling offers an enthusiastic approach that inspires hope, while helping individuals to understand and to overcome their psychological barriers in order to exercise personal freedom, to take charge of their lives and to pursue happiness according to their own chose ethics and ideals.

I am not talking about unleashing a narcissistic approach--that kind of self-centeredness is more characteristic of depression itself. I'm talking about a whole-hearted embracing of life in which individuals overcome hopelessness, and renew their determination to take responsibility, to love, and to contribute to the family and community.

Peter R. Breggin, M.D. is the author of Medication Madness: The Role of Psychiatric Drugs in Violence, Suicide, and Murder (St. Martin's Press, 2008, now in paperback).​

Here is another sad case where psychotropic drugs seemed to cause the violent attack in Winnipeg...

"Winnipeg Free Press - PRINT EDITION
Judge agrees Prozac made teen a killer

Declines to move case to adult court

Judge agrees Prozac made teen a killer - Winnipeg Free Press

 

[gerryh]

Gerry.. you are absolutely right that we adults have a choice to say no, but here is the problem. A vast majority have grown up with the belief that antidepressants are a cure for everything and that they work. Lets face it if you listen to the pharma ads they make these pills sound like problem solvers.. People have the idea that if they didnt work, then they wouldnt be available.. which is simply not true. The commercials quickly name some of the side effects but they sell the pills in their ads.

........ all kinds of crap and who knows what else because I didn't bother reading it all blah blah blah blahhttp://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/judge-agrees-prozac-made-teen-a-killer-130010278.html

So, personal responsibility goes out the window it's "someone elses fault"//// got it.


oh yes, btw, I have listened to the ads and wouldn't touch any of that shyte with all the possible side effects that they list. You know, the side effects at the end of the ad about how great this crap is. Or do you and these other people not listen to the entire ad?

 

[no more drugs]

Gerry,

The purpose I am writing is not to insult you or anyone. The reason I write is to inform normal everyday good people who really have no clue about these drugs.

On account that you have written about "personal responsibility" leads me to believe your understanding of these horrendous drugs isnt quite there.

Here's why ... I will agree that a man who choses to drink and then becomes intoxicated, and then drives and kills should fall into the category of personal responsibility..

Technically when he chose to drive, he wasnt in a position to make a good judgement call, however he did choose to take the drink knowing full well the effects.

Now, someone who takes a legal mind altering drug has been told that they are safe, that they work, and he has taken the pill with legal and medical blessings.

On account that the black box warning says that delusional thinking and loss of reality, aggressive behavior, suicidal and homicidal ideation, is enough for me to remove the "personal responsibility" becasue too many normal good kind gentle people who have led a normal community non violent life that all of a sudden become someone they never were, tells me its the drug.

The thing Gerry, is that you could do your own research on the net by reading about these drugs yourself so that you will have the understanding that too many accounts for this type of behavior are happening all around us each and every day...

Its not the people, its the drug yet no media want to touch this with a 10 foot pole .. and in my research ..many media people arent informed about these drugs so they dont even know to ask these question to the witnesses...

1.) Was he on a mind altering drug?
2.)When did he start?
3.) Was he withdrawing from mind altering drugs?

If these questions were asked and reported to the general public it may lead people to say "NO" to these drugs however our society has been taught that they are good.

If one person who reads this post, becomes more aware of the heinous acts that these pills are contributing too, it may help that one person say " No" whether it is for them, their child, their husband or any loved one.

 

[petros]

Read some of these.. Google and ask yourself if these problems sound familiar.

 

[no more drugs]

Read some of these.. Google and ask yourself if these problems sound familiar.

Petros, you didnt elaborate on what you are directing to.... can you advise?

 

[petros]

Petros, you didnt elaborate on what you are directing to.... can you advise?

SSRIs are essentially ecstacy.

Symptoms of Ecstasy withdrawal

The list of signs and symptoms mentioned in various sources for Ecstasy withdrawal includes the 9 symptoms listed below:
Panic attacks
Sleeplessness
De-personalization
De-realization
Anxiety
Depression
Agitation
Psychosis
Paranoid delusions
more information...» http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/e/ecstasy_withdrawal/intro.htm

 

[L Gilbert]

Um, the active ingredients in SSRIs are
1-[3-(Dimethylamino)propyl]-1-(4-fluorophenyl)-1,3-dihydro-5-
isobenzofurancarbonitrile;
1-[3-(dimethylamino)propyl]-1-(4- fluorophenyl)- 5-
phthalancarbonitrile
(E)-5-Methoxy-1-[4-(trifluoromethyl)phenyl]-1-pentanone O-(2-
aminoethyl)oxime;
5-methoxy-4'-(trifluoromethyl)valerophenone (E)-O-(2-
aminoethyl)oxime
(3S-trans)-3-[(1,3-Benzodioxol-5-yloxy)methyl]-4-(4-
fluorophenyl) piperidine;
(-)-trans-4-(p-fluorophenyl)-3-[[3,4 (methylenedioxy)
phenoxy] methyl]piperidine
(Z)-3-(4-Bromophenyl)-N,N-dimethyl-3-(3-pyridinyl)-2-propen-
1-amine;
(Z)-3-(4'-bromophenyl)-3-(3''-pyridyl)dimethylallylamine

Ecstacy is
3-4 methylenedioxy- methamphetamine

Not the same stuff.

 

[no more drugs]

Um, the active ingredients in SSRIs are
1-[3-(Dimethylamino)propyl]-1-(4-fluorophenyl)-1,3-dihydro-5-
isobenzofurancarbonitrile;
1-[3-(dimethylamino)propyl]-1-(4- fluorophenyl)- 5-
phthalancarbonitrile
(E)-5-Methoxy-1-[4-(trifluoromethyl)phenyl]-1-pentanone O-(2-
aminoethyl)oxime;
5-methoxy-4'-(trifluoromethyl)valerophenone (E)-O-(2-
aminoethyl)oxime
(3S-trans)-3-[(1,3-Benzodioxol-5-yloxy)methyl]-4-(4-
fluorophenyl) piperidine;
(-)-trans-4-(p-fluorophenyl)-3-[[3,4 (methylenedioxy)
phenoxy] methyl]piperidine
(Z)-3-(4-Bromophenyl)-N,N-dimethyl-3-(3-pyridinyl)-2-propen-
1-amine;
(Z)-3-(4'-bromophenyl)-3-(3''-pyridyl)dimethylallylamine

Ecstacy is
3-4 methylenedioxy- methamphetamine

Not the same stuff.

Dear Gilbert,

Regardless of the ingredients are you aware that there have been recent coourt cases where the courts have agreed that antidepressants were the cause of the violent crime? (Seth Ottenbreit, Andrea Yates )

 

[L Gilbert]

Dear Gilbert,

Regardless of the ingredients are you aware that there have been recent coourt cases where the courts have agreed that antidepressants were the cause of the violent crime? (Seth Ottenbreit, Andrea Yates )

Yes, but that has little to do with my comment.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Dear No More Drugs :lol:

I gonna take a stab in the dark here and guess you are against pharmaceuticals?

Well I am too. I exercise my right to NOT fill every prescription I may receive. I do not think filing our bodies with man-made chemicals will cure all that ails you. I also think that the doctors and big pharma corps are in cahoots to sell the sh*t. I also believe that any person who takes psychotropic, mood altering drugs is completely responsible for their actions while under the influence of them. They made a choice to take them and need to be accountable for that choice.

 

[no more drugs]

Dear No More Drugs :lol:

I gonna take a stab in the dark here and guess you are against pharmaceuticals?

Well I am too. I exercise my right to NOT fill every prescription I may receive. I do not think filing our bodies with man-made chemicals will cure all that ails you. I also think that the doctors and big pharma corps are in cahoots to sell the sh*t. I also believe that any person who takes psychotropic, mood altering drugs is completely responsible for their actions while under the influence of them. They made a choice to take them and need to be accountable for that choice.

Dear Political Nick,

It sounds to me like you are not afraid to excercise your rights and I commend you for that. I do know that many people arent as informed about medication.

Also many of us were brought up believing that "Doctor knows best" and what ever the doc says to do or take,... we do it.

I also believe in accountability but how can we incorporate individual accountibility if someone is given a legal mind altering drug (from their doctor) who tells them it is the solution, to whatever ails them, only to find (after the fact) that these side affects are upon them (which include loss of reality) ... how can a person in that situation be held accountable?

Society has taught us (thankfully) that alcohol impairs your judgment and do so at your own risk. We teach our children that too from a very small age.

How can we put psychotropic meds into that same thought process when the general public hasnt been taught about the side affects of these drugs (which seem to me are swept under the carpet.)

Its been a good 2 generations that have been taught there is a pill out there that works for nearly any problem you are having.. (menopause to chronic pain) ... many people (who are prescribed these drugs) innocently do not know these black box warnings exist and if they do know, many are told that these side effects are so rare that you need not worry.. )

 

[JLM]

Dear No More Drugs :lol:

I gonna take a stab in the dark here and guess you are against pharmaceuticals?

Well I am too. I exercise my right to NOT fill every prescription I may receive. I do not think filing our bodies with man-made chemicals will cure all that ails you. I also think that the doctors and big pharma corps are in cahoots to sell the sh*t. I also believe that any person who takes psychotropic, mood altering drugs is completely responsible for their actions while under the influence of them. They made a choice to take them and need to be accountable for that choice.

I'm of two minds about this. First I hate the "drugstore mentality" that a lot of people maintain without question. Second, I wouldn't go to a doctor whose advice I wouldn't follow. No use getting professional advice just to ignore it. My doctor is good and he agrees with my logic about following a healthy lifestyle first and then do final tweaking with a prescription.

 

[gerryh]

I'm of two minds about this. First I hate the "drugstore mentality" that a lot of people maintain without question. Second, I wouldn't go to a doctor whose advice I wouldn't follow. No use getting professional advice just to ignore it. My doctor is good and he agrees with my logic about following a healthy lifestyle first and then do final tweaking with a prescription.

As does mine and as does the docs I had in BC and the specialists both my wife and I have dealt with.

The comments made concerning kick backs borders on slander.