with 911 coming up ,who still belives the official story?

Logic 7

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Toro said:
Conspiracy theories are for the weak minded.


At least we agree there, conspiracy theory is based on assumption, like the19 hijackers plotting to do 9-11 is an assumption, because there is no evidence supporting anything of it, but since there is evidence that us governement is behind 9-11, from jones work who found thermate, anthrax(which was an inside job, i repeat, cause you like to skip it, lol)operation northwood plan, it is not a conspiracy theory anymore, it is a Conspiracy fact.
 

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Albertabound said:
If you really want to know who orchistrated 9/11 and every other event, and war, you need to look no further than the Rothschild empire of world domination.

The World According to Bankers


Don't be too factual in here, you will be considered as a witche like in the dark age, just say "bush did it" they would know more what you are talking about. step by little step :wink:
 

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The fact that Operation Northwoods didn't happen and the general was fired for suggesting it went WAY over your head, didn't it ilLogic 7?
 

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I think not said:
The fact that Operation Northwoods didn't happen and the general was fired for suggesting it went WAY over your head, didn't it ilLogic 7?


The general was fired by the kennedy administration, kennedy died 7 months later, and that general held a position in the cia until 1969. Add this to the ANTHRAX INVESTIGATION , WHICH CONCLUDED TO BE AN INSIDE JOB and the rest , you have plenty of evidence that us governement might be involved, enough to have a full real independant/international investigation.
 

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earth_as_one said:
I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I can't claim to know what happened on 9/11. But I'm pretty sure the official story or common perceptions of events that day aren't the whole truth.

Certainly the media cooperated with the US government to manipulate perceptions to generate support for the war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Some facts just don't make sense:

We know little about the people alleged to have hijacked those planes.

Most people don't know their names or which countries they came from.

The US government didn't make a big deal about most hijackers coming from Saudi Arabia.

The American government grounded all planes after 9/11 except charters destined to Saudi Arabia.

The Bush administration interferes with all attempts to get at the truth of this event.

I could go on, but I think you get my point that the American government's handling of 9/11 and our media's reporting on these events fail the smell test.

It shouldn't be a surprise that the absence of facts, obvious media manipulations and suspicious American government behavior lead to speculation and conspiracy theories.

You would have to be pretty weak minded to believe that American government has told the truth about this event and has not used this event to manipulate perceptions regarding related events in the middle east.

9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Iran...

???

You don't have to believe that the government is not telling the whole truth to conclude Bush was behind 9/11.

Bush and his advisers were setting their sights on China and Russia. They dismissed intelligence about a possible attack. How stupid do they look? These cold war dinosaurs were defaulting to the only threat they knew and ignored the real threat to the security of the United States. Rice, for example, is a Sovietologist by training. The Bush administration was frozen in time.

The Republicans are supposed to be tough on foreign enemies. Yet, 9/11 happened on their watch. Could you imagine how the Republican party would have reacted if Clinton was President?

Its enormously embarrassing both to the United States and the Bush family that 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, not to mention to the House of Saud.

There were major screw-ups between the FBI and the CIA. Not only was 9/11 a massive intelligence failure, but those two government agencies were engaged in a turf war that hindered the flow of intelligence. How stupid does that look?

Etc., etc., etc.

There was no way the 9/11 commission was going to lay fault or blame on any one or two people or entities. 9/11 had an enormous effect on the American psyche, one that few foreigners understand. The only way to come to any conclusion through the political process was to blame systematic failure. That's partly true, but there is more culpability towards certain parties than what the report concluded. And for certain, not all the facts came out, because if they had, then insitutions and people would have to take more responsibility for the greatest act of war perpetuated on US soil in country's history.

So why would anyone be surprised that the official story isn't the complete story?
 

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I don't think President Bush is all that bright. I doubt he knows much more than whatever his teleprompter tells him. Since all the reasons Bush gave to escalate a war in the middle east have been officially declared BS, the man is either a war criminal, incompetent or both. Even more, the American people re-elected him.

The real crime here is a missed opportunity to turn a tragedy into peace and goodwill:

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm

But that's not the path George Bush chose.

I think its possible that the group of people who turned a tragedy like 9/11 into an opportunity to start a war based on lies and deceptions resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people around the world are also capable of killing innocent Americans.

Judge a tree by the fruit it bears. What fruit has the Bush administration bore?
 

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He's smarter then any dem ever put up against him, not just once but he did this twice. You want to talk about not too bright lets have at it.
 

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The theorists seem to ignore any fact coming from the gov't because they believe there is a cover-up.Yet they embrace any possibility,however remote that is on the internet.When one of thier pet theories is disproven,missile into the pentagon,low I.Q. pilot,osama never met any hi-jackers,etc.they just shrug and move on to more cranial debris.There isn't any critical or impartial thinkers in the whole bunch. Herw is a question that bothers them. Why would the gov't fly planes into a building if the building was already rigged to implode? Anyone up for that one?
 

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Texas1 said:
He's smarter then any dem ever put up against him, not just once but he did this twice. You want to talk about not too bright lets have at it.

Its also possible that the Dems are in on it.

Tweedle Dee Kerry, Twiddle Dum Bush

Heads I win, tails you loose.
 

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wallyj said:
The theorists seem to ignore any fact coming from the gov't because they believe there is a cover-up.Yet they embrace any possibility,however remote that is on the internet.When one of thier pet theories is disproven,missile into the pentagon,low I.Q. pilot,osama never met any hi-jackers,etc.they just shrug and move on to more cranial debris.There isn't any critical or impartial thinkers in the whole bunch. Herw is a question that bothers them. Why would the gov't fly planes into a building if the building was already rigged to implode? Anyone up for that one?

Theories? Due to the lack of facts, that's all any of us have.

The trail from 9/11 to Saudi Arabia seem not to have been followed. Suspicious?

Bush has closer ties to Saudis than Saddam Hussein. Coincidence?

People near George Bush profit from war and high oil prices. Dumb luck?

Hussein didn't authorize the post 9/11 charter flights from the US to Saudi Arabia. A clue?

That's just a few mysteries. No wonder people speculate.
 

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i would like to say that the truth is coming out . today i saw on the cbc a faire report on the two side of the story of 911.
 

wallyj

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You ignore the facts. Read the NIST's report on the buildings coming down. These are the guys who have the experts and the closest look by far at the site. Of course ,that will be dismissed because it is the government.right.Bush has closer ties with the Saudi's than Hussien. Big deal.Saddam is a vicious madman.A lot of people,have profited from this disaster. Michael Moore comes to mind,probably more than anyone else. Maybe he had a hand in it. I don't remember him having an alibi. Hussien didn't authorize the flights post 9/11.What the hell does that mean? Neither did you or I. You theorists keep on adding 1 plus 1 and come up with 11.
 

wallyj

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Huxley,I haven't watched the CBC report yet. What is the title? It is unusual to see fair and cbc in the same sentence. They may have given equal time to the bizarre theorist side but that does not make it accurate. I am still wondering why the gov't would fly planes into the buildings if they were already rigged to implode? Any takers on that simple question?
 

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I'll take that one. One could not just park a van full of explosives in the parking lot and have it, as you say, implode , because of the structural integraty of the buildings, that could never happen. Along with security to get into the parking lot. It would be an unexplainable event, but that seems to be the way of the US gov't. They just seem to be able to do what ever they want without a question being raised by the people. " If the gov't said it's true than it must be true" Ya right.Weapons of mass destruction, ties to 9/11 to start a war that is killing thousands and then come back and say well there were none, oh, he wasn't really tied to the 9/11 attacks but now we are going to spread democracy in Iraq, and the gullable american people just suck it all up. I do not recall daily bombings and the killing of innocent people on a daily basis before the US invaded. But we are here to spread democracy. Maybe the US should look after their own affairs and people before they start trying to HELP OUT another country. If they keep trying to help these other countries out, there will be nothing left of them. But go Halliburtan. What a crock of S #@ t.
 

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It all comes down to profit. Arm a country to take over another that the US sees as unruly and then find out the people you armed are now against you and then go start a war with them. It has happened time and time again throughout history. War creates money that's all. Now Iran is on the hit list. The US said if the UN is not with us on Iraq then we will do it ourselves. Well now who is crying for the UN to send more troops to Iraq and
Afghanistan. Oh but we will do it on our own. You want to start wars on your own then you finish them on your own. Bush is the one that should be charged with war crimes. Plain and simple.
 

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Albertabound said:
It all comes down to profit. Arm a country to take over another that the US sees as unruly and then find out the people you armed are now against you and then go start a war with them. It has happened time and time again throughout history. War creates money that's all. Now Iran is on the hit list. The US said if the UN is not with us on Iraq then we will do it ourselves. Well now who is crying for the UN to send more troops to Iraq and
Afghanistan. Oh but we will do it on our own. You want to start wars on your own then you finish them on your own. Bush is the one that should be charged with war crimes. Plain and simple.

The idea that "war creates money" is the silliest misconception known to man.

War is a gigantic meatgrinder that comsumes resources, and human lives at an atrocious rate. It produces NOTHING.

It is, unfortunately, necessary at times.

Now, the UN is not crying for troops for Iraq and Afghanistan. The UN abandoned Iraq the second they were attacked there. NATO requires more troops in Afghanistan. Get your facts straight.