with 911 coming up ,who still belives the official story?

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MikeyDB said:
The Americn in particular but the whole western democratic machinery has been subject to lies and misdirection for decades. There was a "magic" bullet involved in the assassination of John Kennedy there were torpedoes fired on American vessels in the Gulf of Tokin and Reagan and North didn't actually break the law selling missiles to Iran....etc. etc.

It is an unacceptable circumstance that the American people have quietly accepted the lies they've been told for years and freely elected to turn their backs on the truth until an actual account of the whole story and presentation of fact is exposed years later.

Are you familliar with Machiavelli and the great-lie theory?

And the CIA created AIDs to kill black people.

And black helicopters were flying above American farms as a pre-cursor to a UN invasion.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The conspiracists will believe anything if it fits their anti-American worldview.

The conspiracists have zero sense of proportion.

I love it when they bring up "the Gulf of Tonkin" or "the Bay of Pigs" or "the Reichstag" as "proof" of motivation.

The seem to think that because the government perpetuated such incidences that any government must automaticallybe willing to commit any act, no matter how heinous, because, hey, that's what governments do!

Logic of the conspiracists:

"You once smoked dope. You broke the law. There was a murder on your block. Murder is breaking the law too. Since all law breakers are equally morally culpable, you are the murderer because you smoked dope."

Yes, that's right, it couldn't possibly have been someone trying to insitigate a war to drive the US out of the middle east. Oh no, it HAD to have been a self-induced act of barbaric treachory that would rank as the greatest foreign attack on American history in the 230 year history of the country so a few oil billionaires could become zillionaires!

Clear as a bell.

The conspiracists shouldn't be asking anyone else about "logic" or "rationality"
 

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What I wrote regarding the Warren commission is fact, what I wrote regarding the myth of torpedoes on the gulf of Tokin is fact. It is a fact that Nixon lied to the people of America and it is a fact that the American administration has been lying to the American people for years.

If you want to discuss something instead of throwing up straw men to obscure the issue then swell lets discuss the issue, but if your passion is out of control and you think you have to resort to an inferrence that compels folk to dismissal on the basis of the ludicrousness of the items you present then you don't really want to discuss, you want to stifle discussion and that is the hallmark of the bigot not.
 

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Toro said:
MikeyDB said:
The Americn in particular but the whole western democratic machinery has been subject to lies and misdirection for decades. There was a "magic" bullet involved in the assassination of John Kennedy there were torpedoes fired on American vessels in the Gulf of Tokin and Reagan and North didn't actually break the law selling missiles to Iran....etc. etc.

It is an unacceptable circumstance that the American people have quietly accepted the lies they've been told for years and freely elected to turn their backs on the truth until an actual account of the whole story and presentation of fact is exposed years later.

Are you familliar with Machiavelli and the great-lie theory?

And the CIA created AIDs to kill black people.

And black helicopters were flying above American farms as a pre-cursor to a UN invasion.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The conspiracists will believe anything if it fits their anti-American worldview.

The conspiracists have zero sense of proportion.

I love it when they bring up "the Gulf of Tonkin" or "the Bay of Pigs" or "the Reichstag" as "proof" of motivation.

The seem to think that because the government perpetuated such incidences that any government must automaticallybe willing to commit any act, no matter how heinous, because, hey, that's what governments do!

Logic of the conspiracists:

"You once smoked dope. You broke the law. There was a murder on your block. Murder is breaking the law too. Since all law breakers are equally morally culpable, you are the murderer because you smoked dope."

Yes, that's right, it couldn't possibly have been someone trying to insitigate a war to drive the US out of the middle east. Oh no, it HAD to have been a self-induced act of barbaric treachory that would rank as the greatest foreign attack on American history in the 230 year history of the country so a few oil billionaires could become zillionaires!

Clear as a bell.

The conspiracists shouldn't be asking anyone else about "logic" or "rationality"



You are mixing stupidity with reality,just like most of the americans thought saddam was behind 9-11, iwho cares if elvis is still alive or not? who cares if americans went to the moon or not?who cares if us department hide aliens to the poeples?

This is called stupid conspiracy theory, ccause nodoby gives a damn about it, you know why?? death innoncent peoples arent involved.

Now show me , where 9-11 truth movement talks about CIA making AIDS?? or any other one who believe 9-11.


Simple minded always fall into this easily, they are anti-american because they have a different point of view than yours.


Why everytime you post something on 9-11, is to prove that conspiracy theorist are irrelevent, or out of their minds?? why don't you try to debate? to prove that us governement isnt involved, or to prove alqueada is involve( we will wait for the rest of our life, but at least try) you would look smarter , there is no question about it.


bay of pigs, is irrelevent, reich tag fire is very similar to what happened on 9-11, hitler blew up his own reich, put the blame on communist/jews/terrorist, installed martial law, and invaded poland, for a pre-emptive strike based on a lie, just what happened with iraq.

And more importantly you can't refute the fact that US mimlitary already planned such a terror attack

Operation northwood

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro as part of the U.S. government's Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative. The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state sponsored terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the highest ranking member of the U.S. military, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer.


And the antrax , which the investigation concluded it was an inside job, and you still believe your governement, withouth even a single shread of proof that alqueada did 9-11, it is pathetic how naive you are.
 

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MikeyDB said:
What I wrote regarding the Warren commission is fact, what I wrote regarding the myth of torpedoes on the gulf of Tokin is fact. It is a fact that Nixon lied to the people of America and it is a fact that the American administration has been lying to the American people for years.

Here's your logic:

"A, B and C happened. Thus D happened."

"Jim ignored his neighbor. Jim yelled at his neighbor. Jim didn't like his neighbor. Thus, Jim killed his neighbor." There can be no other conclusion.

You also assume that the government lies about everything!

Actually, no. Governments tell the truth about most things.

But like whenever there is a screw up, people will try to deflect blame - especially when its the greatest attack on American soil in the history of the country!

Why does that surprise you?

But the conspiracists turn around and assume that because not all the facts came out, "Bush did it."

That's shrill hysteria.

MikeyDB said:
If you want to discuss something instead of throwing up straw men to obscure the issue then swell lets discuss the issue, but if your passion is out of control and you think you have to resort to an inferrence that compels folk to dismissal on the basis of the ludicrousness of the items you present then you don't really want to discuss, you want to stifle discussion and that is the hallmark of the bigot not.

Straw men?

I'm posting articles that point by point refute the claims of the conspiracists. I don't see you making any counter-claims.

Instead, you complain that I'm "stifling discussion."

And "bigot"! :lol: :lol:

Guess you can't answer when you resort to such terminology.
 

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Toro said:
You also assume that the government lies about everything!

Actually, no. Governments tell the truth about most things.
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Please toro, give human race a chance, don't give your brain to science after you are dead, that is the only thing i would ask you.
 

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Logic 7 said:
You are mixing stupidity with reality,

Says the guy that claims Bush offed 3000 of his own people in the most spectacular act of unmitigated treachery and barbarity in the history of the United States so a few oil billionaires could become zillionaires.

Logic 7 said:
just like most of the americans thought saddam was behind 9-11, iwho cares if elvis is still alive or not? who cares if americans went to the moon or not?who cares if us department hide aliens to the poeples?

This is called stupid conspiracy theory, ccause nodoby gives a damn about it, you know why?? death innoncent peoples arent involved.

Now show me , where 9-11 truth movement talks about CIA making AIDS?? or any other one who believe 9-11.

Then

Logic 7 said:
Simple minded always fall into this easily,

:lol: :lol:

Priceless.

I'll make this simple for you Logic.

People believe bizarre stories about Elvis and aliens and the moon and whatever. They also believe bizarre stories about 9/11. The thought process leading to those conclusions are the same.

I posted why here http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17654&highlight=

Logic 7 said:
Why everytime you post something on 9-11, is to prove that conspiracy theorist are irrelevent, or out of their minds?? why don't you try to debate? to prove that us governement isnt involved, or to prove alqueada is involve( we will wait for the rest of our life, but at least try) you would look smarter , there is no question about it.

You are having a hard time grasping the very simple concept that the person making the allegations has the onus to "prove". That's you. The defendent - that's me - does not have to "prove" anything. The defendent refutes.

Point by point - whether it Building 7 or molten steel or whatever - I post articles refuting the accusations. And all you do is complain about it.

Not all opinions are given equal weight either. The more spectacular and bizarre the accusation, the more proof you need.
 

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911 Pre-Attack Warnings
People Who Avoided the Airlines And The Twin Towers
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Much has been reported about how warnings of attacks by Muslim extremists in the year leading up to 9/11/01 were ignored. So far no official has been fired or otherwise punished for his or her failure to act on such information.

What is more informative than who failed to act on a tip, is who acted on a tip. A number of people apparently knew to stay clear of the World Trade Center on September 11th, 2001.

Government Officials and Business Leaders

There is evidence that a group of Pentagon officials was warned to avoid the attack targets. Newsweek reported: http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref1#ref1 1

Three weeks ago there was another warning that a terrorist strike might be imminent - On September 10, Newsweek has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns.

A number of business leaders who would normally have been in the World Trade Center, were instead at a meeting hosted by Warren Buffett on September 11th at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, Nebraska. That group included Anne Tatlock, CEO of Fiduciary Trust Inc., a company that occupied five floors on or above the 90th floor of the http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc2.html South Tower. http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref2#ref2 2 (This is the same Air Force Base that George W. Bush would fly to later that day. It has an underground command center.) http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref3#ref3 3

San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown admitted to having received a warning from what he described as his airport security late Monday evening, just hours before the attack. http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref4#ref4 4

Salman Rushdie, who is under the continuous protection of Scotland Yard, was prevented from flying on September 11th, 2001. Ariel Sharon, who was scheduled to give an address to Israeli support groups in New York City on September 11th, cancelled his plans the day before.

On 9/11/01, Jim Pierce, cousin of President Bush, was scheduled to attend a conference on the 105th floor of the South Tower, where his company's New York offices were based. But the conference was moved across the street to the Millennium Hotel, because, the story goes, the groop was too large.
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref5#ref5 5

Privileged Companies

Another group of people that received warnings in advance of the attack were employees of Odigo, the instant messaging service. Two employees received e-mail messages two hours before the first World Trade Center assault, predicting the attack. http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref6#ref6 6

According to reporter Christopher Bollyn, Zim American Israeli Shipping Co. broke a lease in order to vacate the World Trade Center just days before the attack. Bollyn's source claims that Zim's lease extended through the end of the year and that the termination cost $50,000. http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref7#ref7 7

The company heading a consortium that had just obtained a 99-year lease on the World Trade Center was supposedly spared by a last-minute cancellation. According to the New York Times, Silverstein Properties had planned to meet on 9/11/01 on the 88th floor of one of the towers to "discuss what to do in the event of a terrorist attack," but cancelled the meeting Monday night "because one participant could not attend." http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref8#ref8 8


References

1. Bush: We're at War, Newsweek, 9/24/01
2. http://911research.wtc7.net/resources/books/index.html
'9/11' Facing our Fascist State, I/R Press, 2002, page 52
3. September 11th: The President's Story, CBS, 9/11/02 http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/sept11/cbs60minutes_presidentstory.html [cached]
4. http://www.sfgate.com/today/0912_chron_mnreport.shtml
Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel, SFGate.com, 9/12/01 http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/sept11/sfgate_0912_mnreport.html [cached]
5. http://web.archive.org/web/20040411172330/
http:/www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_401406.html
President's cousin escaped death thanks to schedule change, Ananova, 9/18/01 http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/sept11/ananova_pierce.html [cached]
6. http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml
?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C
Odigo says workers were warned of attack, HAARETZ.com, http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/sept11/haaretz_odigo.html [cached]
7. http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/09/AmericanFreePress0902.html
Israeli Company Mum About WTC Pullout, American Free Press,
8. Reinsurance Companies Wait to Sort Out Cost of Damage, 9/12/01, page C6


If the terrorists hate and want to kill Westerners why did they do their attack at 8:45 in the morning, when there is so few people in the wtc's. Why would they not do it at mid day when there would be 100 thousand people in the buiding. Why did the American gov't come up with the term Al Quaida, when all it is is a hundred or so followers of Bin Laden, why was the bin laden family allowed to fly that day when all other flights were grounded? Why was there no debrit of a plane at the Pentagon, or at the crash site of United 93?
 

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Unfortunately the passion aroused by this topic examined in the absence of the greater geo-political gestalt upon which this and many other tragedies have occurred can only degrade into a petty argument as we're seeing develop here. I intend to make one more post then you can all have-at each other and revel in your particular wash of anger or outrage.
 

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Toro said:
Says the guy that claims Bush offed 3000 of his own people in the most spectacular act of unmitigated treachery and barbarity in the history of the United States so a few oil billionaires could become zillionaires.


Tell me, what is the connection to what i 've just said? totally irrelevent.
If it is what i think, yes friends of bush made profit from 9-11, iraq, afganistthan , not only this but withouth 9-11, none of them would have made that much money,9-11 was a gift to bush adminsitration.



Toro said:
I'll make this simple for you Logic.

People believe bizarre stories about Elvis and aliens and the moon and whatever. They also believe bizarre stories about 9/11. The thought process leading to those conclusions are the same.

I posted why here http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17654&highlight=

I asked to show me where 9-11 truth movement talks about elvis and all the stupidity you brought, and you come with an opinion article, what is wrong with you??



Toro said:
You are having a hard time grasping the very simple concept that the person making the allegations has the onus to "prove". That's you. The defendent - that's me - does not have to "prove" anything. The defendent refutes.

Point by point - whether it Building 7 or molten steel or whatever - I post articles refuting the accusations. And all you do is complain about it.

Not all opinions are given equal weight either. The more spectacular and bizarre the accusation, the more proof you need.

You have never posted an article that refute building 7 evidences, molten steel or whatever like you said, you only posted opinion articles, nice try, but try harder.


And of course you turn a blind eye on Operation northwood and the Anthrax, incredible you are.
 

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There are many many credible accounts and solid documentation in support of the incidences of the United States prosecuting a war through the use of missiles and armaments intentionally targeting civilian populations. The United States has practiced this activity for years both outside the umbrella rationale cited for the invasion of Iraq, i.e. “stockpile of weapons of mass destruction” (proven to be completely erroneous) and under this umbrella of lies and misdirection.

For anyone to wail and moan about the WTC attack as an evil perpetrated by misguided vicious and demonic extremists, these charges fly in the face of these activities of the United States military, employed for decades.

U.S. bombing in North Korea from 1950 to 1953 was the principal contributing cause of the deaths of three million civilians. Cities in North Vietnam and civilian areas in and outside “free fire zones” in South Vietnam were the direct object of attack by United States aircraft, artillery and ground forces for years, contributing to the wartime death toll of several million Vietnamese. In 1983, the U.S. bombed civilian sites in Grenada, whose total population is 110,000, killing several hundred including sixteen patients in the public mental hospital.

In 1986, the U.S. bombed the sleeping Libyan cities of Tripoli and Benghazi in surprise early morning attacks killing hundreds of civilians and damaging four foreign embassies.

In 1989, the U.S. bombed civilians in Panama from the Atlantic to the Pacific, killing two thousand people or more.

The list of atrocities committed by the United States against civilian populations is lengthy. If indeed it is believed that the aircraft striking the WTC towers were the sole impetus for the subsequent collapse, and that this attack by Saudi nationals was in fact an act of purest evil springing from the minds of psychopathic zealots, where on this scale of mental derangement does this lengthy list of attacks on civilian populations place the American people their government and their military?

Understand here if you can that the antecedents to the villainy of September 11/2001 are steeped in a history of American British and Middle Eastern hatred and contempt. That an event like 911 took place, or the bombing of the Cole or the failed initial attempt at the WTC to destroy the building by planting bombs in the parking structure should surprise no one.

That the west has since its own war of independence from the British painted itself as the victim to a world portrayed as hostile to the notions of freedom and the exercise of democracy cited as the “reason” for hatred of the west, is focusing on the hole instead of appreciating the circumference of the donut.

The British and the Americans have been responsible for cutting up nations all over the world and profiting at the expense of other nations indigenous populations for generations. You can’t keep using and abusing people and not expect a reaction.

Since it is the United States that has developed and deployed the greatest arsenal the world has ever seen, the default position by anyone attempting to redress any perceived or actual insult or injury has to be one of asymmetrical response and the concomitant death and destruction of civilians.

The United States has prosecuted wars all over this planet with its largest military machine in the history of mankind. Prosecuted both illegal and legal interventions on the basis of the “red menace”, “protecting American interests” and as actualization of the Monroe Doctrine and what American patriots refer to as their Manifest Destiny.

America was born in war and embraces war.

America is prepared to arm itself with enough nuclear weapons to kill every living creature on the planet before it will exercise domestic policies to end racism and prejudice. It will claim its “business interests” (profitability) as sufficient justification for breaking trade agreements time and time again.

The bottom line is that America struggled through its adolescence and parted with its parent the British, but then stopped developing and to this day remains an adolescent society prepared to deny any and all responsibility and blaming the world for being an “unfair” place. America never grew up and was instead taken over by men with only greed in their hearts and the domination of everyone else to their satisfaction as their aim.

What happened was terrible and is indeed a tragedy that no rationale person would wish on anyone.

However, the people of the United States appear to be unable to wrap their minds around the idea that they own a great deal of responsibility for how they are seen and how they are dealt with by the rest of the world.

Too bad, the United States could have been a great power for peace and stability instead of the template for hostilities and violent imperialism that it has become.
 

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Albertabound said:
Government Officials and Business Leaders

There is evidence that a group of Pentagon officials was warned to avoid the attack targets. Newsweek reported: http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref1#ref1 1

Three weeks ago there was another warning that a terrorist strike might be imminent - On September 10, Newsweek has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns.

The story...

"On Sept. 10, NEWSWEEK has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns".
http://www.freepressinternational.com/sept102001.html

Our take...

Let’s see this quote in context.

Twice a week, the “Threat Committee,” a group of top intelligence officials and diplomats, meets in the White House complex to review dozens of terrorist threats at home and abroad. In late June the CIA warned of possible terrorist action against U.S. targets, including those in the United States, for the Fourth of July. Nothing happened, but then in July the agency again warned about possible attacks overseas. The threat seemed grave enough to force U.S.ships in Middle Eastern ports to head for sea. Three weeks ago there was another warning that a terrorist strike might be imminent. But there was no mention of where.

On Sept. 10, NEWSWEEK has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns. But no one even dreamed that four airliners would be hijacked and plunged into targets in New York and Washington.
http://www.freepressinternational.com/sept102001.html

And now combine that with the earlier report that appeared on September 13th.

NEWSWEEK has learned that while U.S. intelligence received no specific warning, the state of alert had been high during the past two weeks, and a particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks, causing some top Pentagon brass to cancel a trip. Why that same information was not available to the 266 people who died aboard the four hijacked commercial aircraft may become a hot topic on the Hill.
http://web.archive.org/web/20030211002640/http://www.msnbc.com/news/627963.asp?cp1=1

Is this meaningful? Let’s work through the problems.

First, we have an unnamed source. There’s no way to check the accuracy of the quote.

Second, even this unnamed source appears uncertain of the facts: “apparently” because of security concerns, “a particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks”. If the source doesn’t know for sure, then what is the basis for the claim at all?

Third, we don’t know whereabouts these “Pentagon officials” were located. There’s nothing in the story to say they were starting, or ending their prospective journey in America, for instance. If they did cancel the the trip, and this was because of security issues, then it could have been due to local circumstances that were nothing to do with 9/11.

Fourth, even if they were in the US, they may have been responding to a warning that is already public, and demonstrably nothing to do with 9/11. On September 7th 2001, for instance, a State Department “worldwide warning” was updated to “include the threats to U.S. military personnel in Asia”. And as you’ll see in that article, it was being circulated to others on September 10th 2001. Could any Pentagon cancellation have been connected to this?

Fifth, it’s unclear whether Pentagon “top brass” would require warnings anyway. Would they really be taking regular commercial flights, for instance? Or would a military aircraft be more likely?

And sixth, if the top brass were based in the Pentagon, and the trip was to take them elsewhere, then of course cancelling it may well have resulted in them being killed. Not the most helpful example of specific 9/11 foreknowledge we’ve ever seen.

None of these issues are unsurmountable, then, but they do illustrate some of the problems with this account, which so far looks flimsy in the extreme.

http://www.911myths.com/html/pentagon_officials.html

Albertabound said:
A number of business leaders who would normally have been in the World Trade Center, were instead at a meeting hosted by Warren Buffett on September 11th at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, Nebraska. That group included Anne Tatlock, CEO of Fiduciary Trust Inc., a company that occupied five floors on or above the 90th floor of the http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc2.html South Tower. http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref2#ref2 2 (This is the same Air Force Base that George W. Bush would fly to later that day. It has an underground command center.) http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref3#ref3 3

The story...

A number of business leaders who would normally have been in the World Trade Center, were instead at a meeting hosted by Warren Buffett on September 11th at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, Nebraska. That group included Anne Tatlock, CEO of Fiduciary Trust Inc., a company that occupied five floors on or above the 90th floor of the South Tower.
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html

Our take...

This sounds very suspect, right? A selected group from the WTC are removed from the scene, just in time, by the US military. Unfortunately that’s not the case at all.

Issue number one is the people who were at Offutt. The claim says “a number of business leaders who would normally have been in the WTC”, but fails to name anyone but Tatlock. Why? We think the most likely explanation is that she’s the only one who was normally based in the WTC, and we’ve yet to see anyone else named.

And issue number two is the reason they were there. Some sites try to make this mysterious by saying it was a meeting, or make it seem business-only by calling it a "conference". Neither are correct. This is what was actually going on.

WARREN BUFFET'S CHARITY CLASSIC Sept. 11, an event that draws celebrities, professional athletes and CEOs to Omaha, Nebraska will be the last. It has raised nearly $9 million for four charities in its nine-year run while bringing to the event such notables as composer Marvin Hamlisch, investing guru Peter Lynch of Fidelity Management, then-Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Arthur Levitt and actor Chuck Norris. Another $1 million is expected to be raised at the last of the one-day Classics, scheduled for Sept. 11...
http://www.broadwaytovegas.com/September9,2001.html

This suggests Tatlock wasn't part of some small group saved at the last minute. In fact, as "celebrities" and "professional athletes" tend to have busy calendars, the date is likely to have been arranged many months earlier. It's part of the job of CEOs to go around and attend such things, representing their company, and there's no surprise that someone at the WTC had business elsewhere on 9/11.

http://www.911myths.com/html/anne_tatlock.html

Albertabound said:
San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown admitted to having received a warning from what he described as his airport security late Monday evening, just hours before the attack. http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref4#ref4 4

The story...

San Francisco mayor Willie Brown was warned not to fly on September 11th.

Our take...

Our first reaction is -- why? Brown wasn't due to fly out until 8am, San Francisco time, and was in no danger. Whoever called him plainly did not have detailed knowledge of the attacks.

Still, it's true, he did receive a call, some say by Condoleeza Rice (although no evidence is ever offered to support this beyond a claim that “Pacifica Radio said...”). If that were true then you might imagine it would have a serious effect, because it would be such an unprecedented event. And yet, Brown completely ignored it and decided to fly anyway.

...Brown didn't think about [the warning] again until he was up, dressed and waiting for his ride to the airport for an 8 a.m. flight to New York
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL

This suggests to us that the call to Brown was nothing out of the ordinary, which, in fact, is exactly what he said:

The mayor, who was booked to fly to New York yesterday morning from San Francisco International Airport, said the call "didn't come in any alarming fashion, which is why I'm hesitant to make an alarming statement."

In fact, at the time, he didn't pay it much mind.

"It was not an abnormal call. I'm always concerned if my flight is going to be on time, and they always alert me when I ought to be careful."

Exactly where the call came from is a bit of a mystery. The mayor would say only that it came from "my security people at the airport."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL

Okay, maybe we can still grab onto that last part, or maybe ask why anyone should warn Brown at all. Could that indicate some kind of foreknowledge? Well, there is an alternative explanation.

"Former U.S. Secretary of State George Shultz said yesterday that he was "startled" by a little-noticed State Department memo that was issued a week ago and warned that Americans "may be the target of a terrorist threat."

The memo, issued just four days before the attacks on New York and Washington, identified the threat as coming from "extremist groups with links to Osama bin Ladin's al Qaeda organization."

"I have not idea what intelligence lies behind the warning," Shultz said, ''but they put this out because they had some sort of intelligence."

Shultz, who served as secretary of state under President Reagan, said he received a copy of the Sept. 7 "worldwide warning" in his San Francisco office on the day before the fatal attacks. The memo addressed concerns for Americans overseas and made no mention of any possible attack on U.S. soil...

Officials at San Francisco International Airport said they weren't aware of the State Department warning - but someone in the airport security section knew of it and passed word of the warning onto Mayor Willie Brown when he called to check on the status of flight he was planning to take to New York.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...archive/2001/09/14/MN92245.DTL&type=printable

So there was an earlier warning, nothing specific to an attack within the US, but people like Schultz were aware of it so there's no particular reason to be surprised that Brown was, too. Especially because, as we said, he was in no danger. Whoever warned him clearly didn't know what was going to happen, therefore it's difficult to see any significance to this event at all.

http://www.911myths.com/html/willie_brown.html

Albertabound said:
Salman Rushdie, who is under the continuous protection of Scotland Yard, was prevented from flying on September 11th, 2001. Ariel Sharon, who was scheduled to give an address to Israeli support groups in New York City on September 11th, cancelled his plans the day before.

The story...

Ariel Sharon, Prime Minister of Israel, cancelled plans to address Israeli support groups in New York City on September 11th.
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/anomalies.html

Our take...

This claim first materialised in a story entitled "4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack", promoted by Lebanons Al-Manar TV. Here's the part of the article relating to Sharon:

"Suspicions had increased further after Israeli newspaper Yadiot Ahranot revealed that the Shabak prevented Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York and particularly to the city's eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel"."
http://adlusa.com/adl/4000isra.htm

But what festival? Which organisations? When was he travelling? This all seems a little vague. That didn't prove a problem for many conspiracy sites, though, and it's now listed in many places as proof of foreknowledge regarding 9/11.

As usual, though, the truth is a little different. There was an event Sharon was supposed to be attending, held in New York, by the General Assembly of the United Jewish Communities, however this was to be held on the 23rd of September, not the 11th.

NEW YORK -- Via planes, trains and automobiles, tens of thousands of Jews from across North America are expected to descend upon New York on Sept. 23 for the long-anticipated continental rally in support of Israel, organizers say.

Preparations for the rally have begun to gel, with speakers and sponsors spanning the religious and political spectrum, including Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon...

The UJC tentatively planned a demonstration for June 4 at Madison Square Garden in New York, but canceled for what officials said was an inability to guarantee Sharon's presence -- or his security...

In addition to Sharon, speakers from Israel will include Knesset Speaker Avraham Burg and perhaps Housing Minister Natan Sharansky. American speakers include New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Gov. George Patak, and Sens. Charles Schumer (D-NY), Hillary Clinton (D-NY) and Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn), the former vice presidential candidate...
http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0.../edition_id/328/format/html/displaystory.html

It seems the rally could have been held in June (safely), but was only put off until September by Sharon not able to guarantee he'd be there. This seems an odd kind of foreknowledge.

What's more, the rally itself was understandably cancelled on September 12th.

NEW YORK - September 12, 2001 - Respecting the need of all civilized people to grieve and begin healing from the horrific events of Tuesday, and in full support of law enforcement and public safety officials who are performing their duties under extreme conditions and emotional challenges, United Jewish Communities (UJC) and the Federations of North America will not hold the IsraelNow and Forever Solidarity Rally scheduled to take place in midtown Manhattan on September 23rd.
http://www.ujc.org/content_display.html?ArticleID=15820

It's possible that after the attacks, but before the official cancellation, the Israeli Secret Service recommended Sharon shouldn't attend (it would be hard to imagine them doing anything less). Therefore it may be true that Sharon cancelled travel plans on September 11th, but this is in no sense mysterious, and doesn't require any foreknowledge at all.

See http://www.nocturne.org/~terry/wtc_4000_Israeli.html#NYC for more details on this and other Israel-related conspiracy theories.

http://www.911myths.com/html/ariel_sharon.html

Albertabound said:
Another group of people that received warnings in advance of the attack were employees of Odigo, the instant messaging service. Two employees received e-mail messages two hours before the first World Trade Center assault, predicting the attack. http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref6#ref6 6

The story...

An Israeli company called Odigo received advanced warning of the attacks. Here’s Alex Jones take on the story:

Odigo admitted publicly... that yes, they got a warning, an Instant Message, hundreds of their employees, in the Towers, and told them, to leave the building, 4 hours before the planes slammed into it. This is on the record and cannot be ignored.
Alex Jones
Martial Law 911

And repeated in one of his radio interviews...

Odigo admits that they instant messaged their people to get out of the building.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/300305newrevelations.htm

Our take...

Jones makes a dramatic story, and from this account you’d think the case was proven. After all, a warning that saved hundreds of lives cannot be ignored, right? Trouble is, what he’s saying isn’t exactly accurate. Let’s look at the original report.

Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.

Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.

"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has\

So, problem #1 with Jones account: the company say nothing about telling their employees to “leave the building”. They told no-one about the message until after the attacks. But didn’t they feel under threat? No, these employees were in Israel, not America.

Alex Diamandis, vice president of sales and marketing, confirmed
that workers in Odigo's research and development and international
sales office in Israel received a warning from another Odigo user
approximately two hours prior to the first attack.
http://amenusa.org/prior.htm

Still, the message did predict the attack, right? Maybe not.

Odigo Vice President of Sales and Marketing... Alex Diamandis today in a telephone interview also said the warning message did not identify the World Trade Center as the attack target.
http://amenusa.org/prior.htm

That explains why they didn’t notify their employees in the towers, then -- they didn’t know the attack was coming after all. In fact for all we know, the message could have been something very vague that only seemed meaningful later: “America will pay for its crimes, and sooner than anyone believes”. That seems plausible from the comment Alex Diamandis made in another article.

"Without going into details, the message was most noteworthy due to the timing, not due to the substance of the 'warning.' It could easily be coincidence," Diamandis said.
http://www.atnewyork.com/news/article.php/8471_893851

There is another reason why Odigo didn’t alert their WTC employees, of course. They didn’t have any offices there.

Odigo's New York office is located four blocks from the site of the World Trade Center, in an area that was blocked off for a short time following the attacks.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/09/WTC_Odigo2.html

And just by way of completeness, it doesn’t even seem Odigo had “hundreds” of employees to flee the WTC office that, uh, they didn’t have.

[June 13th 2001]
The Odigo team consists of 80 employees.
http://www.ruksun.com/html/news/odigo.html

And also, once you know the full story, another question comes to mind. If this is supposed to be a "warning", why send it to people in Israel who would be unaffected by the event? And not give them enough information to warn colleagues closer to the attacks, in New York? It doesn't make sense, and without knowing the message text, it certainly doesn't prove foreknowledge.

http://www.911myths.com/html/odigo.html

Albertabound said:
According to reporter Christopher Bollyn, Zim American Israeli Shipping Co. broke a lease in order to vacate the World Trade Center just days before the attack. Bollyn's source claims that Zim's lease extended through the end of the year and that the termination cost $50,000. http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref7#ref7 7

The story...

Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. Inc. used to have offices in the World Trade Center, but they cleared out just two weeks before the attack. What did they know?

Our take...

Some sites like to make this sound as though Zim left in a hurry, perhaps unexpectedly, and it’s claimed they broke their lease. No source is ever provided for this suggestion, though, and other accounts say not.

...their rental lease contract with the Port Authority expired on September 1. Still, Zim Israel had kept a small office behind in the World Trade Center, an office which consisted of their computer shipping tracking equipment. All of the computers were destroyed in the 9/11 attack and Zim's operations were actually down for a short period. Why would Israel have opened their merchant marine fleet to such vulnerability?
http://www.israelnewsagency.com/israel911september91104.html

Hmm, some Zim employees were in the towers when the attacks happened? Not what you’d expect from anyone who knows what’s going to happen. That’s accepted by other sites, too.

More than 200 workers had just been moved out; about 10 are still in the building making final moving arrangements on 9/11, but escape alive. [Jerusalem Post, 9/13/01, Journal of Commerce, 10/18/01]
http://www.billstclair.com/911timeline/main/AAisraeli.html

And the “sudden” move? Not so sudden at all, it had been announced the previous April that they were going to relocate to Norfolk, Virginia, in April 2001, and there's no evidence whatsoever that's anything more than a coincidence.

"October 18th 2001
NORFOLK - Governor Jim Gilmore today announced that Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co., Inc. has officially opened its United States headquarters in Norfolk’s Lake Wright Executive Park. Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. announced in April that it would invest $6.2 million to locate in the new building and would hire 235 people to work in this facility. The firm completed its move to Norfolk from New York City’s World Trade Center two weeks before the September 11th terrorist attacks"
http://yesvirginia.org/news/news.aspx?newsid=377

And we’ve another question. If Israel supposedly knew of the attacks in advance, then warned “4,000 workers”, Zim Shipping and Odigo, why didn’t they also warn the Israeli company ClearForest?

Sigal Srur, ClearForest's director of human resources, said that four or five of the company's 18 workers were in the building when it was hit. "They got out at the last minute, and two who were lightly injured with scrapes have already been discharged from the hospital," she said from the company's Or Yehuda R&D offices.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2001/jerusalempost091301.html

Odd, really, because this is starting to look very inconsistent. Zim had enough “forewarning” to move out months in advance, Odigo got a message sent to the wrong place that didn’t identify the target, only a couple of hours before the attacks, and ClearForest didn’t get a warning at all. Clear proof of Israeli foreknowledge? We don’t think so.

http://www.911myths.com/html/zim_shipping.html

Albertabound said:
The company heading a consortium that had just obtained a 99-year lease on the World Trade Center was supposedly spared by a last-minute cancellation. According to the New York Times, Silverstein Properties had planned to meet on 9/11/01 on the 88th floor of one of the towers to "discuss what to do in the event of a terrorist attack," but cancelled the meeting Monday night "because one participant could not attend." http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref8#ref8 8

The story...

The Silverstein group purchased the lease on the World Trade Center for $3.2 billion. With two claims for the maximum amount of the policy, the total potential payout is $7.1 billion, leaving a hefty windfall profit for Silverstein.

Our take...

As we write the insurance payments are not going to reach $7.1 billion. The current situation is $4.6 billion at a maximum, although this may be subject to change (up or down) as a result of court rulings.

And of course this isn't profit for Silverstein. The money is being provided for him to rebuild the WTC complex, and it turns out that's quite expensive ($6.3 billion in April 2006, see here).

$4.6 billion in insurance money, $6.3 billion in costs? Not such a great deal, then. What’s more, don’t imagine the insurance companies have handed over all of this money. As we write (June 2006) there are other problems:

Only a month after developer Larry Silverstein predicted it might happen, six World Trade Center insurance companies are making noises about whether they're going to fork over roughly $770 million in insurance proceeds meant to help rebuild the site.

On Friday, Mayor Michael Bloomberg gave the insurers a clear message – pay up.

“Nobody's going to walk away from billions of dollars, and they're not going to get away with not paying,” said the mayor.

The companies are pointing to a tentative agreement reached between Silverstein and the Port Authority in April divvying up ownership of the site's planned buildings, including the Freedom Tower, which would go to the Port Authority.

The insurers say since Silverstein would no longer own all the buildings at the site, they might no longer be responsible for paying the claims he was due as owner.
http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=3&aid=60290

There have been other costs, too:

Silverstein Properties and the Port Authority continue to be guided by a lease each signed six weeks before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The lease stipulates that should the complex be destroyed, Silverstein must continue to pay the $120 million a year rent in order to maintain the right to rebuild. Mr. Silverstein has tried to persuade the Port Authority that his closely held company is capable of rebuilding while meeting its massive rent payments. The rent is currently being paid from insurance proceeds, draining the amount available for rebuilding.
www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Larry-Silverstein-WTC6dec04.htm

$120 million dollars a year? So in the three years between the attacks and that article being written, Silverstein has paid out over $360 million on rent alone (and a three-year court battle implies substantial legal fees, too).

That was a 2004 article, of course, but problems continued. Here’s part of a Time article from May 2006:

The original World Trade Center, completed in 1973, suffered under a similar real estate climate. "The argument back then was that downtown was losing to midtown," says Susan Fainstein, professor of urban planning at Columbia University. "They thought by building this impressive complex, it would make downtown a competitor. But so much space came up at once, and there just wasn't the demand to fill it." New York State even moved some offices there to help keep the rent rolls filled. The latest plans for ground zero call for the same 10 million sq. ft. of office space as the original World Trade Center, but the site's potential as a repeat target may repel business. "People don't want to work in a building with a bull's-eye on it," says Fainstein. "It doesn't matter if it's built like Fort Knox."

Even if he does find the tenants, Silverstein's methodical plan for development--one building at a time--has maddened his critics, convincing them that he simply does not have the cash to build out the site. The April agreement gives him about 60% of the $3.3 billion in public funding made available from Liberty Bonds to finish the site. He also has a $4.6 billion insurance settlement--it was ruled that the towers were hit by two separate attacks--although that is under appeal.
http://www.time.com/time/insidebiz/article/0,9171,1191836-3,00.html

There may be issues getting tenants, then, but at least he has 60% of the liberty bonds, taking him up to around $6.6 billion. Is that the profit? This article doesn’t seem to think it’s a windfall, and others agree. Here’s a March 2006 analysis from the New York Post, for instance (this is a lengthy excerpt but we’ve snipped more, so it’s best if you follow the link and read the whole thing):

Nearly $3.4 billion in these bonds remains, with the mayor and the governor each controlling half...

The mayor has put Silverstein in an impossible position. Legally, the developer has the right to rebuild. But financially, he needs the Liberty Bonds to do so...

It will cost $4.3 billion for Silverstein to rebuild the World Trade Center and maintain his lease once insurance is exhausted. Like any developer, Silverstein (and his potential lenders) must determine if the project is worth more than its cost: Over the remainder of the lease, will the WTC bring in enough in rents to repay this $4.3 billion investment and earn a profit?

Part of the answer depends on future commercial rents Downtown. Bloomberg says he believes rents won't rise above pre-9/11 levels (after inflation), while Silverstein thinks they'll rise to today's Midtown levels.

Either way, Silverstein's looking at earning $300 million to $400 million (in today's dollars) a year, after operating costs and taxes (but before interest costs), for about 80 years - that is, from the time he gets all five towers built to the time the lease ends.

Here is where Bloomberg's intransigence matters. If New York actually uses its 9/11 rebuilding money at Ground Zero, and Silverstein gets all the Liberty Bonds (with their low interest rate of about 6.5 percent), his future income from the towers would be worth $5.7 billion to $7.5 billion in today's dollars. At those values, the project is economical even if rents never rise to Midtown levels. Lenders would invest in the project, so it wouldn't run out of money, as Bloomberg claims it will.

But if Silverstein wins only half of the Liberty Bonds, the finances become murky. The deal wouldn't be economical unless rents rose quickly, so it might fall short of lenders.

With no Liberty Bonds, the WTC project is not economical unless rents rise stratospherically, because interest costs would consume too much of the project's future rents.
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/61352.htm

So this author says that Silverstein requires $4.3 billion more than the insurance money will provide, and so recommended he gets all the $3.4 billion Liberty Bonds. Actually he only got 60%, which pushes the deal closer to the “murky” side, as described here. Is this true? We don’t know: there’s a shortage of clear figures showing exactly who has to spend what. However, it does show that, even with the extra Government cash, not everyone believes Silverstein’s made big money here.

And those who want to believe Silverstein still had foreknowledge of the attacks, might want to consider this:

In its court papers, Swiss Re shows how Silverstein first tried to buy just $1.5 billion in property damage and business-interruption coverage. When his lenders objected, he discussed buying a $5 billion policy. Ultimately, he settled on the $3.5 billion figure, which was less than the likely cost of rebuilding.
http://www.forbes.com/2003/09/11/cx_da_0911silverstein.html

If this is true, then it appears that Silverstein tried to purchase as little insurance as possible, presumably to save money. He was talked up by his insurers, but still chose a figure well short of what he could have obtained -- hardly the behaviour of someone who knew what would happen only weeks later.

http://www.911myths.com/html/windfall.html

Albertabound said:
If the terrorists hate and want to kill Westerners why did they do their attack at 8:45 in the morning, when there is so few people in the wtc's. Why would they not do it at mid day when there would be 100 thousand people in the buiding.

50,000 people wasn't enough, eh?

Do you have to travel for a living? If you do, you know the answer.

Think for a minute why you'd leave at 7am as opposed to 1pm.

I'll give you some time.









Figured it out?

Because flights don't get cancelled at 7am. Flights get cancelled in the afternoon because of bad weather. Also, its easier to co-oridinate flight times first thing in the morning than in the middle of the afternoon. Flights get snarled in the middle of the afternoon for a number of reasons.

Albertabound said:
Why did the American gov't come up with the term Alquida, when all it is is a hundred or so followers of Bin Laden, why was the bin laden family allowed to fly that day when all other flights were grounded.

The story...

Immediately after September 11th, while US airspace was still closed, the White House approved charter flights to rush members of bin Ladins family out of the country. Why weren't they interviewed?

Our take...

Many sites are a little coy about when this flight occurred, but we'll tell you; it was September the 20th. Not such a rush, really, and no, US airspace was not closed.

So who approved the flights? Richard Clarke, who said it was the right decision and he'd do it again. As he's now a major Bush critic it's hard to argue that he'd want to cover up for the President on this point.
http://www.hillnews.com/news/052604/clarke.aspx

The family members weren't simply allowed to leave, either. The 9/11 commission pointed out:

"Twenty-two of the 26 people on the Bin Ladin flight were interviewed by the FBI. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers stated that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything about terrorist activity... The FBI checked a variety of databases for information on the Bin Ladin flight passengers and searched the aircraft".

What's more, by opting to fly the family members volunteered to go through this process. Had they driven across the border to Canada instead, they could have flown home from there with no questions at all.

There were no apparent suspicious circumstances, then, no information incriminating any of these people, and none has appeared since.

http://www.911myths.com/html/family_flights.html
 

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MikeyDB said:
There are many many credible accounts and solid documentation in support of the incidences of the United States prosecuting a war through the use of missiles and armaments intentionally targeting civilian populations. The United States has practiced this activity for years both outside the umbrella rationale cited for the invasion of Iraq, i.e. “stockpile of weapons of mass destruction” (proven to be completely erroneous) and under this umbrella of lies and misdirection.

All the examples you have given are against foreign countries.

There is a HUGE difference between that and killing thousands of your own people.
 

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The bigger the lie the more believable it will be
 

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As reported by ABC News, stunning military documents codenamed "Operation Northwoods" were declassified in recent years and show how in 1962, the top US military leaders planned an operation to create terror attacks against its own cities and kill US citizens. See: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=
 

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Toro said:
Conspiracy theories are for the weak minded.

I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I can't claim to know what happened on 9/11. But I'm pretty sure the official story or common perceptions of events that day aren't the whole truth.

Certainly the media cooperated with the US government to manipulate perceptions to generate support for the war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Some facts just don't make sense:

We know little about the people alleged to have hijacked those planes.

Most people don't know their names or which countries they came from.

The US government didn't make a big deal about most hijackers coming from Saudi Arabia.

The American government grounded all planes after 9/11 except charters destined to Saudi Arabia.

The Bush administration interferes with all attempts to get at the truth of this event.

I could go on, but I think you get my point that the American government's handling of 9/11 and our media's reporting on these events fail the smell test.

It shouldn't be a surprise that the absence of facts, obvious media manipulations and suspicious American government behavior lead to speculation and conspiracy theories.

You would have to be pretty weak minded to believe that American government has told the truth about this event and has not used this event to manipulate perceptions regarding related events in the middle east.

9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Iran...

???
 

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If you really want to know who orchistrated 9/11 and every other event, and war, you need to look no further than the Rothschild empire of world domination.

The World According to Bankers