Wind turbines may have hidden hazards

[Kakato]

I think Sask is tied into this grid?? Is it not ?? I know they have a large power plant near estevan.

No sir,they have a different system.Alberta can send to sk but not receive.

I lived in Estevan for 2 years,lots of family there.

Those whistles dont work worth a ****,cp rail even uses them and they just dont work.
A deer is going to hear your vehicle or a train coming long before he hears an ultrasonic whistle that usually doesnt even work because of the bugs that lodge in the blow hole.Cant beleive some peeps still buy into this crap.

 

[Durry]

I know it is going to get brutal soon for prices,that's why I want to go total solar in a year,get off the grid,these power companies are going to make a lot of folks homeless.
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Why do you expect the price of power to go up. In S AB anyways most of the power is produced from Nat gas, and nat gas is very very cheap now.

 

[Kakato]

Why do you expect the price of power to go up. In S AB anyways most of the power is produced from Nat gas, and nat gas is very very cheap now.

No it's not,you got genesee,Sheerness,and all the oilsands powering all of Alberta and lots of B.C.
Then you also have all the dams in the banff region and Calgary and all over Alberta and theres lots providing power to the lines going straight into BC.

Nat gas may be rock bottom price right now but most power producers signed long term contracts a long time ago.

Most lines I work on going into BC are maintained by Altalink,they operate and maintain the lines which are owned by SNC lavalin,who also owns Altalink,it gets crazier and many folks are involved after deregulation.
Way too many.I know whats coming,more price increases.

 

[Durry]

Btw, have you heard that if the NGL plants go ahead in Kitimat, there are 3 or 4 on the list right now, that they might have to dam up the peace again. These NGL plants are large power consumers, 1.5 plants need as much power as BC total production. Could get interesting !!!
Good place for nuclear tho.

 

[lone wolf]

Sure.... They need another nuke plant where they have earthquakes and tsunamis

 

[CDNBear]

Sure.... They need another nuke plant where they have earthquakes and tsunamis

And fraccing that has been linked to earthquakes.

 

[Kakato]

Btw, have you heard that if the NGL plants go ahead in Kitimat, there are 3 or 4 on the list right now, that they might have to dam up the peace again. These NGL plants are large power consumers, 1.5 plants need as much power as BC total production. Could get interesting !!!
Good place for nuclear tho.

It's an excellent time to be working in the energy industry,the greens are making it so hard to actually accomplish something now that I can sit for a half day waiting for permits for any dirt is even moved.
Easy money,they just keep making it harder for us to get them their fuel supply and easier to raise the price,I dont care as I get free fuel on my job.

Maybe when they succeed in getting the price of gas to ten bucks a gallon they will sit back and give their head a shake and ask what the fu*k did they accomplish besides driving the lower class into the ground.

 

[lone wolf]

I think that the idea is good if the right people switch to green power. The power companies should be the ones switching to green power. If they switched and merged the new supply with the old supply, the price would not rise as much as it is. It is the people cutting the power companies out, to get off the grid, that are causing the rise in prices. But, that is socialism I think.

North Bay and Sudbury dumps are now harvesting methane to burn in converted Diesel gensets. They both generate enough electricity to power a thousand homes each

 

[Kakato]

roflmao How would you know what I have an idea about or not? I don't think you have any idea about how I work nor about how crazy you are.
Sorry, but BC gets no power from the States.

I never said they did,they sell it to the states,and back to us when it's needed.
Alberta sends it to BC and they then sell it to either BCers,the states or back to Albertans at a profit.
Thats why when they do maintenance work here on the lines it,s done very quickly and money is no object.
So if the transmission line from Calgary to here gos down for any reason BC would start sending power back on the same lines,power that we sold them comes back and we then pay the bc rate for it.
Hope that clears things up.

The amount of energy used to power home electronics in residences across Canada more than doubled between 1990 and 2007.

Altalink maintains and operates most transmission lines here and into BC,they are owned by snc lavalin,a Quebec company.

I dont know about todays numbers but back in 2005 BC was getting about 12% of their power from the states.

 

[gerryh]

Sorry, but BC gets no power from the States.

I never said they did,they sell it to the states,and back to us when it's needed.

I dont know about todays numbers but back in 2005 BC was getting about 12% of their power from the states.

Wow..... just wow.

 

[Durry]

Interesting article.
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shocking new study by the U.S. government's National Renewable Energy Laboratory shows the Obama administration's $9-billion solar power program created just 910 long-term jobs.

That's $9.8 million per job created.

Even if you add in all possible "indirect" jobs that could be attributed to this subsidy flurry, it still works out to $1.63 million in subsidies per job created, according to the report.

Just to be clear, this isn't some taxpayers federation or Republican Party group writing this scathing review. This is the US government itself.
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/st ... 92249.html

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Interesting article.
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shocking new study by the U.S. government's National Renewable Energy Laboratory shows the Obama administration's $9-billion solar power program created just 910 long-term jobs.

That's $9.8 million per job created.

Even if you add in all possible "indirect" jobs that could be attributed to this subsidy flurry, it still works out to $1.63 million in subsidies per job created, according to the report.

Just to be clear, this isn't some taxpayers federation or Republican Party group writing this scathing review. This is the US government itself.
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/st ... 92249.html

You might try taking another look at that or querying Sunnews. The fact is that more than 100,000 jobs in solar have been created in California alone. However, I can't connect the link to see where the false figures come from. There are now more jobs in solar related industry in the USA than in coal.

However, the bigger picture is more important and this might give some idea of that.

Emily Murgatroyd | Job Security Unstable? Renewable Energy is Looking for Employees.

As for renewables in genral, wind power is already cheaper than new coal plants would need. Solar has halved in cost over the past several years and new developments are going ahead that will further lessen the cost.

None of the renewable technologies have received more thanh a fraction of the subsides that fossil power received in the past and the external costs make even the most expensive renewables look cheap compared to traditional sources.

 

[Durry]

Not much data for your claims.
The link is pretty old .

Try this link

Sun News : Obama’s counterfeit concept: US president’s fake-work make-work jobs scheme a real bust for taxpayers

 

[L Gilbert]

I never said they did,

yeah, you did and that's why I quoted you.

I dont know about todays numbers but back in 2005 BC was getting about 12% of their power from the states.

Nope. BC buys power from IPPs, some of which are in the USA but it doesn't get power from any States.

 

[55Mercury]

I just don't get stuff anymore.

Anyone who associates with snails on bathsalts only gets what they deserve.

:?D

 

[Kakato]

yeah, you did and that's why I quoted you.
Nope. BC buys power from IPPs, some of which are in the USA but it doesn't get power from any States.

Really? You guys buy and sell it just like we do,that makes you an imorter/exporter,also to the states and I do believe you are also entitled to a share of their downstream power.
Fortis also supplies some parts of the kootenays,they also buy from the usa when needed.
Either way,power can flow both ways.
Exports
BC Hydro exports and imports electric power through its wholly owned power marketing and trading subsidiary, Powerex, which was established in 1988. Powerex also markets the Canadian Entitlement energy from the Columbia River Treaty.[20] BC Hydro belongs to a power sharing consortium which includes electric utilities in Alberta, Washington, Oregon, Idaho and California.

So maybe BC only sells what they buy without ever haveing to have it sent up here,they still buy and sell a lot of power for profit,when Alberta and BC cant meet the needs of consumers you can bet it will come from where ever it is available.

At one time BC wanted to charge Alberta for the wind that runs our windmills.

Alberta Robbing British Columbia of its Resources?!

In the southwest corner of Alberta, an almost constant wind comes roaring through the Crowsnest Pass and, out of this BC venturus, spreads across the Foothills and on to the Great Plains. The last major North-South ridge of the Livingston Range of the Rocky Mountains is at Cowley Alberta. The Cowley Ridge runs across the Pass and is studded with huge, wind powered electrical generators. One cannot help but be impressed with these pollution free, silent, electrical colossi. They are churning out free electricity for Alberta's Power Pool. Each 15-story high wind turbine produces enough energy for 300 homes. With the high cost of gas and coal for steam generated power, and few if any Dam sites left for Hydro generation, we are faced with large development projects for Wind and Tidal solutions for power sources. It is estimated that the potential for wind generated power worldwide, with present technology, is five times current Global electrical use.

Alberta Robbing British Columbia of its Resources?!

 

[TenPenny]

Power moves back and forth through the grids and through interconnects. NB supplies power to parts of Quebec at times, and to NS and PEI and also to Bangor, Maine, but NB also imports power from Quebec when needed. That's how the grids are set up.

 

[Kakato]

Power moves back and forth through the grids and through interconnects. NB supplies power to parts of Quebec at times, and to NS and PEI and also to Bangor, Maine, but NB also imports power from Quebec when needed. That's how the grids are set up.

Im not familiar with the east,just the west where Altalink and Fortis are.Power can move both ways into BC but not SK.
This may be changing soon if not in the works allready.
http://www.rockymountainpower.ca/saskatchewan-alberta-tie-line-project.php

BC actually makes lots of money buying and selling power.
I think they even sell their columbia basin entitlement power back to the usa.