Wind farms kill 67 eagles in 5 years

hunboldt

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Sooner or later a few of these greens are going to realize they've been working for the NG industry to close down coal and oil fired power plants and industries and convert them to NG.

If the US Prez got on TV and said "we're converting everything but you're going to have to pay for it", would anyone have jumped on the hooray wagon?

Obviously not, so they created "Global Warming" so you'd welcome it with open arms and even fundraise to help get it all done.

As an investor in NG, I say "thank you very much you stupid hippies".

Actually that isn't such a bad route to go. NG can be fired up quickly to take up the load when the wind slackens.
Petros, you may want to take a look at the new wind farm west of Drumheller along hWys 840 and 560. Big , slow moving geared turbines on range land.. Turbines are great for alkali flat areas.

That said, exporting LNG while burning coal at home is pretty questionable.
 

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"Who has seen the wind? Neither you nor I;
But when the birdy's battered, the wind is passing by."
-Some American poetess

Still say cats are the problem! If cats were tied to the windmill blades as bird deterrents, perhaps that would kill two...
 
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"West wind, blow from your prairie nest,
Blow from the mountains, blow from the west.
The mill is idle, the birds are too;
O wind of the west, we wait for you!
Blow, blow!"
- Another poetess, Canadian I think.
 

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"Who has seen the wind? Neither you nor I;
But when the birdy's battered, the wind is passing by."
-Some American poetess

Still say cats are the problem! If cats were tied to the windmill blades as a bird deterrents, perhaps that would kill two...



FIVE EYES

In Hans' old Mill his three black cats

Watch the bins for the thieving rats.
Whisker and claw, they crouch in the night,
Their five eyes smouldering, green and bright:
Squeaks from the flour sacks, squeaks from where
The cold wind stirs on the empty stair,
Squeaking and scampering, everywhere.
Then down they pounce, now in, now out,
At whisking tail, and sniffing snout;
While lean old Hans he snores away
Till peep of light at break of day;
Then up he climbs to his creaking mill,
Out come his cats all grey with meal --
Jekkel, and Jessup, and one-eyed Jill.
 

Spade

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"When the stars threw down their spears,
And watered heaven with their tears,
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb make thee? "
- Blake commenting on the gods' mistake of allowing cats to evolve.

Or more well known..
"He had a crooked cat who caught a crooked mouse,
And they all lived togrther in a large crooked House!"
- Commentary on President X and his predilection for fat cats in the White House.

And finally,
"The wrinkled sea beneath him crawls;
He bounces from the windmill walls,
And like a thunderbolt he falls."
-Lord Tennyson's poem The Eagle describing the raptor's untimely death.
 

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It's the start of the party conference season in the UK and first up of the major parties are the yellow, sandal-wearing Liberal Democrats.

So far, the Liberal Democrats, who are in power for the first time ever since they were formed in 1988 by a merger of the Liberals (formerly the Whigs) and the Social Democratic Party, have spent their conference, which this year is in Glasgow, attacking their coalition government partners the Tories on things such as immigration, welfare and jobs.

Energy Secretary Ed Davey used his speech to the beardies to claim victory over climate sceptics in the Conservatives.

He singled out Tory Environment Secretary Owen Paterson for particular criticism for wanting to scrap Natural England and block new wind farms.

Mr Davey said: ‘We have to be in Government. To fight for green advances. And fight off green retreats. Take the battles I fight over wind power.

‘Owen Paterson would cull wind turbines faster than he can cull badgers.

‘But we have prevented the Stone Age wing of the Conservative Party from destroying our leading renewables industry.’


Energy Secretary Ed Davey during his speech at the Lib Dem conference in Glasgow


Tory Environment Secretary Owen Paterson is opposed to wind farms

But Davey's boast that he had won the argument on the merits of wind were dealt a blow, as London's Tory Mayor Boris Johnson - tipped to be a future British Prime Minister - dismissed wind turbines as ‘moaning seagull-slicers’ which do little to help keep the lights on.

Boris Johnson today said they ‘look like some hideous Venusian invasion, marching over the moors and destroying the dales’.

Writing in the Sun on Sunday, the London Mayor said the sight of turbines springing up across the country caused him to start ‘gibbering and waving my arms at the horizon’.

He went on: ‘The colossal seaside toys plonked erratically across our ancient landscape.

‘The endless parade of waving, white-armed old lunatics, gesticulating feebly at each other across the fields and the glens.’


Anger: London Mayor Boris Johnson voiced his opposition to wind farms

He complained that the public had never been consulted about the expansion of wind power.

‘Did someone ever warn the British people that these moaning seagull-slicers were going to be erected on some of the most sensational scenery that God ever called into being?’

He claims no-one took a decision to invest in turbines, ‘it just sort of happened’.

‘We've contracted these mills like a disease because of our pathetic apology for an energy policy.

‘No one seriously believes that wind turbines are the answer to our power shortages. Not when they seem to spend so much time motionless, or turning so slowly they wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding.’


London Mayor Boris Johnson says wind turbines are "moaning seagull-slicers" that look like an "endless parade of waving, white-armed old lunatics, gesticulating feebly at each other across the fields and the glens.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2421071/Weve-beaten-Stone-Age-Tories-opposing-wind-farms-boasts-Lib-Dem-Boris-says-turbines-moaning-seagull-slicers.html#ixzz2eyc7iTxO
 
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hunboldt

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It's the start of the party conference season in the UK and first up of the major parties are the yellow, sandal-wearing Liberal Democrats.

So far, the Liberal Democrats, who are in power for the first time ever since they were formed in 1988 by a merger of the Liberals (formerly the Whigs) and the Social Democratic Party, have spent their conference, which this year is in Glasgow, attacking their coalition government partners the Tories on things such as immigration, welfare and jobs.

Energy Secretary Ed Davey used his speech to the beardies to claim victory over climate sceptics in the Conservatives.

He singled out Tory Environment Secretary Owen Paterson for particular criticism for wanting to scrap Natural England and block new wind farms.

Mr Davey said: ‘We have to be in Government. To fight for green advances. And fight off green retreats. Take the battles I fight over wind power.

‘Owen Paterson would cull wind turbines faster than he can cull badgers.

‘But we have prevented the Stone Age wing of the Conservative Party from destroying our leading renewables industry.’


Energy Secretary Ed Davey during his speech at the Lib Dem conference in Glasgow


Tory Environment Secretary Owen Paterson is opposed to wind farms

But Davey's boast that he had won the argument on the merits of wind were dealt a blow, as London's Tory Mayor Boris Johnson - tipped to be a future British Prime Minister - dismissed wind turbines as ‘moaning seagull-slicers’ which do little to help keep the lights on.

Boris Johnson today said they ‘look like some hideous Venusian invasion, marching over the moors and destroying the dales’.

Writing in the Sun on Sunday, the London Mayor said the sight of turbines springing up across the country caused him to start ‘gibbering and waving my arms at the horizon’.

He went on: ‘The colossal seaside toys plonked erratically across our ancient landscape.

‘The endless parade of waving, white-armed old lunatics, gesticulating feebly at each other across the fields and the glens.’


Anger: London Mayor Boris Johnson voiced his opposition to wind farms

He complained that the public had never been consulted about the expansion of wind power.

‘Did someone ever warn the British people that these moaning seagull-slicers were going to be erected on some of the most sensational scenery that God ever called into being?’

He claims no-one took a decision to invest in turbines, ‘it just sort of happened’.

‘We've contracted these mills like a disease because of our pathetic apology for an energy policy.

‘No one seriously believes that wind turbines are the answer to our power shortages. Not when they seem to spend so much time motionless, or turning so slowly they wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding.’


London Mayor Boris Johnson says wind turbines are "moaning seagull-slicers" that look like an "endless parade of waving, white-armed old lunatics, gesticulating feebly at each other across the fields and the glens.’


Read more: [URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2421071/Weve-beaten-Stone-Age-Tories-opposing-wind-farms-boasts-Lib-Dem-Boris-says-turbines-moaning-seagull-slicers.html#ixzz2eyc7iTxOhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-seagull-slicers.html#ixzz2eyc7iTxO[/QUOTE[/URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-seagull-slicers.html#ixzz2eyc7iTxO[/QUOTEhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-seagull-slicers.html#ixzz2eyc7iTxO[/QUOTE

You do have a point , BL. a lot of the land rush in early wind generation created a lot of 'quickie plants.'
' In august I toured a second generation farm- well placed, geared units.

Tiemto tear out a lot fo the 'early stuff'.
 

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It seems that nothing is sacred for wind turbines. The greens even want to build some of these hideous things on Britain's only Dark Sky Park (until Europe's biggest opens in Northumberland), which is situated in the Galloway Forest Park in the wilds of Dumfries and Galloway, southern Scotland...

Warning over turbine applications near Dark Sky Park


An observatory at the Dark Sky Park was opened by Alex Salmond in October last year



Astronomers and land charities have warned that Britain's only Dark Sky Park is being threatened by applications for wind turbines.

Galloway Forest Dark Sky Park secured its status in 2009.

But the Astronomer Royal for Scotland, the John Muir Trust and the Scottish Wild Land Group have written to the Scottish government, asking it to rule out wind farms in the vicinity.

There have been nine proposals for turbines near the park's observatory.

These include plans from energy companies such as E.ON and RWE npower renewables, among others.

Mark Gibson, chairman of the board of trustees of the Scottish Dark Sky Observatory, said that while some applications had been rejected, having one approved could open the door for further development.

Visibility of stars



Ministry of Defence and Aviation Authority safety requirements mean that wind turbines must be illuminated by infra-red light and, in some areas used regularly for training or search and rescue, visible light illumination may also be needed.

Turbines near the park could fall into the latter category, and the campaigners said it would affect both the ability of astronomers to use sensitive equipment, and the visibility of stars, galaxies, comets and northern lights.

The group has called for the park to be given protection similar to that afforded to areas of wild land, and has called on the Scottish government to update planning policy to rule out the construction of wind farms around the park.

The facility is the only Dark Sky Park in Britain - although both Exmoor and the Brecon Beacons national parks have been awarded Dark Sky Reserve status - and is home to the world's only publicly accessible, research-grade observatory within a Gold Tier Dark Sky Park.

The observatory was officially opened by First Minister Alex Salmond last year.

Prof John Brown, Astronomer Royal for Scotland, said: "Installing any large structures that require illumination (whether visible or infra-red) would be akin to putting a factory in Glen Coe or electricity pylons along the Cuillin Ridge.

"Our first minister was instrumental in helping to secure funding for the observatory and he opened it with much passion and aplomb in October last, praising Scotland for leading the world with this fine public and educational facility.

"But Mr Salmond is also an ardent advocate of wind farms and so faces a dilemma.

"I, for one, would call upon him now to prove his sincere interest in our wild lands and skies by ensuring wind farms and other dark sky contaminants are excluded from the entire Galloway Forest Dark Sky Park.

"This would lay down a benchmark for future decisions on all similar wild land sites where wind farms are wholly inappropriate."

BBC News - Warning over turbine applications near Dark Sky Park
 

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The real bird slaughterers are silent killers. In Canada every year 196 million of our feathered friends are attacked and killed by cats and a further 25.6 million are electrocuted or winged by transmission lines.
Cats are Canada’s biggest bird killers, says Environment Canada study

I have already suggested that we significantly reduce the number of cats. To save bird lives at Christmas and Thanksgiving we could serve cats instead of geese or turkeys. KFC should convert from chicken to cats. In Britain, for Christ's sake, people eat squab. They try to conceal from the innocent through the use of this term that these meals are really pigeons. Apparently, the British are birders as are their cats!

And power lines... I propose that throughout the civilised world, there be a programme of rural deelectrification. Our grandparents did quite nicely with candles and coal-oil lamps.
 
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I have already suggested that we significantly reduce the number of cats. To save bird lives at Christmas and Thanksgiving we could serve cats instead of geese or turkeys.

We already do ..............it's called Chinese food! -:)
 

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These windmills seem to be ecological horror stories.. wiping out protected species.. awash with noise pollution that makes them repugnant to nearby communities.. a visual blight on pristine natural vistas. On top of which they are amongst the most inefficient ways of producing energy... requiring hundreds miles of ancillary networks to support the transmission of energy from inevitably sporadic and remote wind farms.

Intense, concentrated energy.. whether from thermal (fossil fuels or nuclear).. or hydro power.. is by far the most efficient and environmentally benign sources. Wind.. or solar.. can't compete and have huge negative environmental impacts.. once you get past the gush and nonsense of the 'green' power hyperbole.
 

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Coldstream, the statistics do not bear this out. Howling cats are by far the worst. I am not saying cats should be banned everywhere, just outdoors. Indoors will be the responsibility of future generations.
 

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Coldstream, the statistics do not bear this out. Howling cats are by far the worst. I am not saying cats should be banned everywhere, just outdoors. Indoors will be the responsibility of future generations.
my cat sends her regards, be careful during the full moon she is a traveler... :glasses3:
 

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Spade your toeing up to the 'red line'..




Mehhh, Spade's got it just about right.

gaddamcats poop in our garden and have a regular organized hunt for "our" birds.

I don't really care for them a whole lot...................as in "hate" them.



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#13 weeks ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Wind energy facilities have killed at least 67 golden and bald eagles in the last five years, but the figure could be much higher, according to a new scientific study by government biologists.

Could also be lower.........................go figure.

We don't have any biologists any more. all gone. Confukked. wonderful.