Will Tump Tear up NAFTA???

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Trump is a real estate dealer. Not one of the chairmen or CEOs of the Fortune 500 consider him a heavyweight. Further, Trump isn't making this deal. As I said above, Trump has neither the intelligence nor the attention span to deal in serious diplomatic negotiations.

He's a loudmouth.
But then again neither did Obama or Bush 1 and 2 , Clinton , Ford , Johnson , Carter and all others I didn't mention. The wheeling and dealing is going on behind closed doors , Trump Trudeau and the Mexican dude will simply sign the papers . Pretty much the same as what happens in a fortune 500 company .

Yes, but rather than argue with them, I sit back and watch the fireworks.

For example, Ocean Breeze is blinkered, as are some others here. That's why arguing about politics and religion is generally a waste of time. The arguments never seem to get anywhere. The only thing they accomplish is to raise the hackles of most of the participants. But there is precious little else to discuss on forums. No one cares about my hobbies or your television habits.

Whether it's Trudeau, Trump or Xi, none of them has the power to make sweeping changes. My belief is that no matter the country, all leaders are kept in check by other politicians, senior civil servants and their form of government. Oh sure, the odd war breaks out, trade sanctions happen, or threats are made, but the reactions to these things are the result of more than one man's direction.
Pretty much , Ontario will survive Whynn , Alberta will survive whyNotley B.c. will survive Horgan and Saskatchewan will survive Wall . Life will go on . It always has so far .
 

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If we make a demand to abolish the trade deal before Trump then we can waiver it in 6 months time when it becomes much harder because of elections to properly renegotiate. And then the next window is in a long time. ;).

Basically give Trump the run arround:)

Beat him at his own game

That would tank our economy. The only good news is that it would also hurt the US economy in a major way too and so perhaps put pressure on POTUS to smarten up.

Under normal circumstances, I'd say you're nuts. When dealing with Trump though, he's the kind who doesn't understand the importance of something until pain is inflicted. We might might have no choice in this case.
 

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Trump is a real estate dealer. Not one of the chairmen or CEOs of the Fortune 500 consider him a heavyweight. Further, Trump isn't making this deal. As I said above, Trump has neither the intelligence nor the attention span to deal in serious diplomatic negotiations.

He's a loudmouth.
Spot on!!!

So how is his "negotiating tactic" helping the people who are doing the real work??

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and Trudeau is not doing the negotiating either. But has the good sense to let the people do the job without interfering or making counterproductive public comments.
 

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This might come as a shock to you, but leaders rarely, if ever, negotiate treaties, pacts, loans, or agreements. That's for civil servants, many of whom are lawyers. Okay? These leaders do not appoint all the members of the committees either. Sometimes they appoint the lead, but no one else. Experts gather their own staff.

Rather than attempting to smear Trump, and praising Trudeau, realize that your muddled understanding of the NAFTA negotiations are not in either of their hands. Sit in the corner and think about the silly things you constantly say. Trump is still president. It's been 220 days now. He's no closer to leaving than he was after the first week.

Time to get over it.
 

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You truly are an idiot. Are you mentalfloss in disguise? :lol: Or maybe Walter?

Go back outside and play with your friends. We'll call you in when supper is ready.

It's 221 days and still ticking, baby. :lol:
 

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Trump says Canada being 'very difficult' in NAFTA negotiations

Trump says Canada being 'very difficult' in NAFTA negotiations | Daily Hive Toronto

Suck it up princess ..
and here we thought that the Art of the deal guy loved a challenging negotiation. He should stop wining about CDA being tough. If he wants to pullout.....let him go for it. The CDN negotiators know it is a real possibility.Mexico knows this as well. The problem is that he has over played his hand and is now getting more and more predictable.
 

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You must learn to come to evidence based conclusions, not uninformed, childish opinions. :lol:

221 days and still going strong, Beheyme.

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221 days and still going strong, Beheyme.

221 days and he's already a lame duck that can't get any of his program through, who's staff have turned over more often than Aunt Jemima's and who's party is abandoning him to his fate. He has the lowest approval rating in history after 221 days and it is still falling.

Going strong, eh?

You're delusional, Murph. Stay off the potcheen when you post.
 

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221 days and he's already a lame duck that can't get any of his program through, who's staff have turned over more often than Aunt Jemima's and who's party is abandoning him to his fate. He has the lowest approval rating in history after 221 days and it is still falling.

Going strong, eh?

You're delusional, Murph. Stay off the potcheen when you post.

I guess he's learning very fast that there is no such thing as anti establishment in Democracy :)
 

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Change is unsettling for most people.

I have no crystal ball, but the US is too strong to fall apart in the way that so many media outlets are suggesting.
Neither was Rome. Nor the British Empire. To name just two.

I tells me that the media has no faith in their own citizens, their Constitution, or their democracy generally.
Ah, yes, "the media." Universal bogieman of the modern age.

The troubles with ISIS, NK, and negotiating with China are things that have to be addressed IMV. And while Trump may say something unusual on Twitter, he has government officials that handle trade negotiations, diplomacy and the law. What he says and what happens won't (or don't) always come together. Checks and balances are in play. Things that you and I cannot see happening because they occur in the back rooms of government.
Which is my whole point regarding NAFTA. Trump, for which thank sense and reason, won't be at the negotiation table. And whether he signs off on the result apparently depends on who the last person he talks to before it's placed on his desk is.
 

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Neither was Rome. Nor the British Empire. To name just two.


Ah, yes, "the media." Universal bogieman of the modern age.


Which is my whole point regarding NAFTA. Trump, for which thank sense and reason, won't be at the negotiation table. And whether he signs off on the result apparently depends on who the last person he talks to before it's placed on his desk is.

All empires fall eventually, but history shows us that they didn't crumble in a week , or even a few months.

The media controls most of what the great unwashed see and hear. They can influence many people's opinions. I do not believe that is a good thing.

I think the excitement of signing, or refusing to sign papers, is wearing off. Regardless, I shall continue to sit and watch. When the Chicken Littles of the world come by screaming, I shall smile or chuckle loudly.
 
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All empires fall eventually, but history shows us that they didn't crumble in a week , or even a few months.

The media controls most of what the great unwashed see and hear. They can influence many people's opinions. I do not believe that is a good thing.
Beats ignorance, which is what you'd have without the media.

Be interested to know what you think "the media" consists of.

I think the excitement of signing, or refusing to sign papers, is wearing off.
For whom? Certainly not for Trump. I present last Friday's pardon of Arpaio as evidence.

Regardless, I shall continue to sit and watch. When the Chicken Littles of the workd come by screaming, I shall smile or chuckle loudly.
I'm not sure it's even possible to chuckle loudly, but I wish you the best.
 

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Spot on!!!

So how is his "negotiating tactic" helping the people who are doing the real work??

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and Trudeau is not doing the negotiating either. But has the good sense to let the people do the job without interfering or making counterproductive public comments.

Unless there is a photo opp trudOWE likely doesn't even know there are negotiations on NAFTA.

Well put, Succinct,& accurate

Astonishing to see how many he has conned.;-)

Look how many people Obama conned and most of them don't even realize it yet. Now that is a good con man.
 

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My apologies for the length.

I would like to see fewer editorial reports.

There was a time when only a handful of the news staff were allowed to editorialize. The past fifteen years at least, virtually every news reader has been reporting the news with his or her opinion mixed into the story. Frankly, that's wrong.

They called them reporters because they gathered and reported the news, not personal opinion. They used to be disciplined for allowing personal feelings to find their way into stories. These people operate separately from editorial, op-ed, or point-counterpoint style shows. Like Joe Friday used to say, "Just the facts, ma'am."

There were exceptions - primarily human interest stories. - but personal interpretations of the news were out of bounds to the majority.

This principle is still taught in journalism schools, but the grads quickly forget the basic rules when they land their first full time job. Here is a short quote.

"One of the first lessons journalism students learn is that their reports should never include their personal opinion. A news reporter should be an impartial observer and should maintain a distance from the facts and emotion that are being presented.

That is largely true. However, here are instances when reporters can become personally involved in a story. It humanizes the reporter and shows a level of care and compassion."

https://www.thebalance.com/should-you-include-your-opinion-when-reporting-the-news-2315169

In the past, editorials were broadcast after the news reporting was done. There weren't many purely editorial shows. I suspect that was because this kind of broadcast demands a responsible, cool head. Most were broadcast on the weekend when people were home from work, but that was not a necessity. Regardless, all were hosted by senior staffers who offered interpretation and analysis. Their opinions were supported by guests - experts in their various fields.

These senior people rarely flew off the handle, insulted anyone, or offered ill informed opinions about subjects which they had no special knowledge. That was for the guests, with the staff member asking questions.
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When I look at CNN for example, I hear Jake Tapper, Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, John King, Don Lemon, Jim Sciuto, Erin Burnett, and dozens of others rendering opinions on everything from alimony to zoology. The biggest pool of "expert political analysts" in one place. Most of the above mentioned people should be putting questions to the experts and keep their feelings out of it. CNN reminds me of a high school cafeteria. Everyone wants to tell you their opinion, but few have any credentials to render an informed one.

There was a time when someone like Walter Cronkite for example, could ask hard, probing questions without using harsh language, insults or accusations. They were talented interviewers who got to that level after years of working in the trenches. It seems to be almost a lost art.
 
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There was a time when only a handful of the news staff were allowed to editorialize. The past fifteen years at least, virtually every news reader has been reporting the news with his or her opinion mixed into the story. Frankly, that's wrong.



When you say 'that's wrong', do have some credentials that allow you to set the objectives for all media in the world? Do you mind posting what credentials you have that allow you to set the standards?