Why you hate the Conservatives and what is it about Liberals

bluealberta

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Re: Why you hate the Conservatives and what is it about Libe

Andygal said:
I "strongly dislike" the Conservatives because of their extrme right-wing policies. I consider Stephen Harper to be a panderer to big-business and extreme religious viewpoints, the former of wish I distrust, the latter of which I find highly offensive.

I consider the Liberals to be the lesser of two evils, I don't like them, I don't agree with a lot of their policies, and I am PO'd with them over "Adscam". However I consider them less dangerous then the fanatical right wing leadership of the Conservative party, who I believe are very dangerous to Canadian identity because they pander to George W. Bush, who, I to put it blunty, despise wholly and completely. Given the choice between the corrupt and fanatical Conservatives and the corrupt, but more reasonable Liberals, I would choose the latter. However I suppor the policies of the NDP and will vote for them in the next election.

Please explain to me and others what exactly are the "extreme right wing policies" espoused by the CPC?

Please do not bring the "hidden agenda" distraction into this, it is a non issue.

Please tell me where in the last 12 years the CPC has been corrupt? Mulroney was a long time ago, and even though there were some issues, there were none to compare with the current liberal scams and scandals.
 

dave s

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bluealberta said:
Andygal said:
I "strongly dislike" the Conservatives because of their extrme right-wing policies. I consider Stephen Harper to be a panderer to big-business and extreme religious viewpoints, the former of wish I distrust, the latter of which I find highly offensive.

I consider the Liberals to be the lesser of two evils, I don't like them, I don't agree with a lot of their policies, and I am PO'd with them over "Adscam". However I consider them less dangerous then the fanatical right wing leadership of the Conservative party, who I believe are very dangerous to Canadian identity because they pander to George W. Bush, who, I to put it blunty, despise wholly and completely. Given the choice between the corrupt and fanatical Conservatives and the corrupt, but more reasonable Liberals, I would choose the latter. However I suppor the policies of the NDP and will vote for them in the next election.

Please explain to me and others what exactly are the "extreme right wing policies" espoused by the CPC?

Please do not bring the "hidden agenda" distraction into this, it is a non issue.

Please tell me where in the last 12 years the CPC has been corrupt? Mulroney was a long time ago, and even though there were some issues, there were none to compare with the current liberal scams and scandals.


Here’s a key Blue, "extreme religious viewpoints" it seems that the left have done a good job with that talking point. Many on here use it like a mantra.

Maybe the right should start a no morals left (It plays a couple ways if you look at it) mantra of our own.
 

LeftCoast

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RE: Why you hate the Conservatives and what is it about Libe

The Philosopher wrote:
What the hell are you talking about? MARRIAGE is provincial jurisdiction.

Wrong again. Sections 91 and 92 of the Constitution give both the Federal House of Commons and Provincial legislatures the right to legislate on Marriage.
 

dave s

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Reverend Blair said:
Morals have nothing to do with religion, Dave.

Well thats a shock coming from you, HINT: it's a good place to start
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Why you hate the Cons

Yeah because evangelicals lying about everything from evolution to ssm and pervert priests raping children, we know for sure that religion has nothing to do with morality.
 

jimmoyer

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"...we know for sure that religion has nothing to do with morality." --- Reverend Blair.

We know for sure that secular has nothing to do with morality either.

Two mints. Two mints. In one.

Double your chewing pleasure.
 

dave s

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"ssm and pervert priests raping children"

Thats too easy, your slipping and left yourself open for a beating with that one.
 

Said1

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Reverend Blair said:
Yeah because evangelicals lying about everything from evolution to ssm and pervert priests raping children, we know for sure that religion has nothing to do with morality.

The Evanglicals wrecked it for everyone, although I think most of the priests were Catholic. :roll:
 

Karlin

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Colin said:
I have a feeling I'm walking into a mine field here but here goes. After going through the posts many people are exteremly anti-conservative and yet they are more then happy to let the existing government get away with scandal after scandal, what is so bad about the conservatives that we allow the ruling party to get away with this? Is it that our electoral system is so messed up, lacking equal representation and allowing a party to call an election anytime they are high in the polls (or wish to boast their rating by spending money), or is it that fear mongering has become such an effective weapon that we dare not change things? So lets discuss.

Back to the original question/\, I would like to say I don't HATE them, as a general Karma thing. Maybe its their use of hate, hatred, and fear that make me dislike them. You get what you give, so to speak.

But to ignore the "vitriol and venom" spewed at the CPC by some of us here would be just dancing and no f*cking.

I think we should admit it. We don't "like" them.




---------def.n
kar·ma
noun in the dictionary, verb to me

1k. The total effect of a person's actions and conduct; energy flowing outwards from the person affects how the world is and determines the person's mood.
2. Informal. A distinctive aura, atmosphere, or feeling: There's bad karma around the house today.
3christian - instilling fear helps membership
3Jay- I'm more than just a little curious how you're planning to go about making your amends to the dead. - A Perfect Circle
 

peapod

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Re: Why you hate the Conservatives and what is it about Libe

Well thats a shock coming from you, HINT: it's a good place to start

Now why would you say that...you just joined this board, do you know the rev...uh huh...I think I see now :p
 

dave s

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dave s

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RE: Why you hate the Conservatives and what is it about Libe

well read this, I don't troll.

I like better to stop and jig.
 

bluealberta

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Re: Why you hate the Conservatives and what is it about Libe

peapod said:
Well you read this: Don't you start trolling and trying to cause arguments.

Here we go again, a view from the right that gets threatened to be banned.

I see that no one has actually posted any policies that show extremeism. The reason: Simply put, there are no extreme policies to quote. People too lazy to actually research the CPC policies simply buy into the extreme lies put forth by the extreme left. Their claims have no basis in fact, and their opinions, which are put forward as facts, are simply opinions. Everybody has one.

The FACTS are that the Liberals are corrupt.
The FACTS are that the Liberals have no fiscal accountability, especially for bill C-48.
The FACTS are that the Liberals target the lazy with their lies and fearmongering.
The FACTS are that the Liberals have stolen money from taxpayers to be used in a Liberal election campaign.
The FACTS are that the Liberals are responsible for the upswing in Quebec separatism and Western alienation.
The FACTS are that the Liberals have had ADSCAM, HRDC, EI, and foundation mismanagement of funds.

The FACT is that the conservatives have pointed all of this, and more.
 

bluealberta

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Reverend Blair said:
The fact is that the Conservatives are not trusted by most of the electorate and there are reasons for that.

What are the reasons? Because people believe the lies that the left puts out without doing any kind of research into the policies? Nothing is in their policies that would invoke fear in any reasonable person.

The FACT is the liberals have been proven to be untrustworthy.

The FACT is the conservatives have postive policies which would benefit everyone in the country, not just whichever special interest group gets the ear of the prime minister on any given day. Paul flips and flops like a fish out of water. A big old blowfish. :lol: Followed by Smiling Jack-off who is trying really hard to be a big fish in a small pond. Too bad he is a minnow.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Why you hate the Cons

The fact is that Canadians don't agree with the Conservatives handling of social policy, their promotion of corporations over citizens, and have seen how untrustworthy the Conservatives are.
 

Andygal

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RE: Why you hate the Cons

<oops> I didn't mean to post that, I didn't think my earlier message got through, sorry.
 

bluealberta

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Re: RE: Why you hate the Cons

Reverend Blair said:
The fact is that Canadians don't agree with the Conservatives handling of social policy, their promotion of corporations over citizens, and have seen how untrustworthy the Conservatives are.

That is so lame, the CPC have not ever handled a social policy, they have not been in government. As a result, your statement is only your opinion of the conservatives, not Canadas opinion. Same response for your other two statements.

And now for the liberals PROVEN record of untrustworthiness:


Sun, June 19, 2005


50 ways to Lib a lie

Queen's Park columnist Christina Blizzard writes the Liberals have broken a long list of promises

By CHRISTINA BLIZZARD, Toronto Sun

Think of it as 50 ways to lose an election platform -- and your credibility.

In a press release this week, the provincial Tories claimed Dalton McGuinty's Liberals have broken 50 promises -- one every 12 days in the 605 days since they came to office.

What are those broken vows?

1. Who would ever forget this key pledge in the October 2003 vote? McGuinty said he could deliver on all his pledges with no new tax hikes. In June 2004, Finance Minister Greg Sorbara delivered the biggest tax hike in the province's history -- a whopping $2.4 billion so-called "health levy."

2. and 3. Balance the budget every year (election platform), morphed into balance the budget by 2007 in the 2004 budget. This year's budget predicted the books would be balanced by 2009 -- depending on the contingency fund.

4. Roll back tolls on the Hwy. 407: Right now, the Libs are hung up in court trying to renegotiate the deal. Meanwhile, tolls have gone up and the likelihood of the government winning is zero.

5. Fund medically necessary health care services: They delisted eye exams, physiotherapy and chiropractic.

6. Not add to the province's debt: The debt is going up $75 a second. By 2007, the Libs will have added $15 billion.

7. Stop building 6,600 homes on the Oak Ridges Moraine: An abysmal failure -- 6,000 are going ahead.

8. Abide by the balanced budget law: They broke this in their first budget

9. Cap hydro rates at 4.3cents a kilowatt hour until 2006: Check your bills. The second real piece of legislation -- introduced a month after taking office -- was a bill to hike hydro rates.

10. Respect MPPs and democracy: Opposition amendments are rarely accepted. If you saw MPPs fleeing the House for the same-sex vote, you'd know it's business as usual.

11. Allow non-cabinet MPPs to vote against government legislation. I can only recall one vote where that's happened.

12. Provide autism treatment beyond age six: A cynical pledge and a complete betrayal of these most-vulnerable families.

13. Reduce auto insurance rates by 10% within 90 days: It took a lot longer than three months to see any reduction in their rates -- and most people are still waiting.

14. Reduce private consultants: So far, they've hired former Liberal MP Elinor Caplan, former Toronto Mayor Barbara Hall and longtime Jean Chretien loyalists John Manley and Peter Donolo. Need I go on?

They've simply changed the deals from mortgages to leases. And the recent infrastructure announcement said more joint private/public deals are on the way.

16. Public inquiry into meat inspection: They conducted an "internal review."

17. Withdraw the government appeal on a Richmond landfill: A controversial issue in Environment Minister Leona Dombrowsky's Hastings-Frontenac-Lennox Addington riding. It's still not done.

18. Make Ontario's chief medical officer an independent officer of the Legislature. They fired Dr. Colin D'Cunha, then appointed Dr. Sheela Basrur -- then they passed the bill.

19. Govern with honesty and integrity: Well, you decide.

20. We will ensure that all developers play by the rules: Cabinet ministers, including McGuinty attended a $10,000 a pop private fundraising dinner with developers.

21. Better mental health care: They closed three regional centres for the developmentally handicapped.

22. Value and support the public service: Ask D'Cunha about that.

23. Divert 60% of municipal garbage to recycling by 2005: We're actually trucking more trash to Michigan. Meanwhile, McGuinty's pondering taking the Americans to court over pollution?

24. Close private MRI and CT clinics: Some haven't closed. Others are changed to not-for-profit.

25. Stop school closings: In their 2005 report on school closings, the activist group, People For Education, estimates 14,000 students are in schools that will close in the next two years. Schools are closing at double the rate they did 10 years ago.

26. Provide adequate, multi-year funding for hospitals: It was almost the end of the last fiscal year before hospitals knew what their budget would be.

27. Hire more than 1,000 teachers/year 1. "I won't raise your taxes" 46. Support the province's cities 15. Cancel P-3 hospitals in Brampton, Ottawa 35. Spend 'every penny' of new health tax on health care 8. Abide by the balanced budget law: They broke this in their first budget

So far, under their plan to cap class size, they have hired about 1,200 total. They need to hire 4,000 over the mandate and they're nowhere close.

28. Hire 1,000 new police officers: Funding was announced recently for 1,000 -- but the province provided funding for barely half of that. Municipalities must pick up at least half the cost for each officer.

29. Close the province's coal-fired plants by 2007. Libs announced last week that the massive Nanticoke plant on Lake Erie -- the biggest polluter in the province -- will not close until 2009.'

30. Hire 100 new parole and probation officers: None sighted.

31. Double the number of apprentices: There were 19,000 in 2003. The 2004 budget said by 2007 they'd get to 26,000 -- 12,000 short of their goal.

32. Create tens of thousands of new child care spaces: Only new money is from feds. Few spaces actually opened.

33. End the clawback of the federal child tax credit: Still waiting.

34. Build 20,000 new affordable housing units. So far, only 2,300 in the 2004 budget speech.

According to 2004 budget, some is going to sewers, water treatment plants and tourism.

36. Cut ministers' pay for running a deficit: While Libs say they took a cut, government estimates don't show the necessary $9,000 reduction in ministers' pay.

37. Eliminate barriers to foreign-trained professionals within one year: Still waiting.

38. Require trades professions to accept qualified immigrants within one year: Still waiting.

39. Repeal Tenant Protection Act within one year: Still waiting for rent controls. Why? Because it's a dumb idea.

40. Establish a standing committee on education to hold yearly hearings: No such committee exists.

41. Liberal promises would cost $5.9 billion: Ministerial documents show their platform was costed at $11 billion. They've already raised taxes by $7 billion.

42. Provide legal rights to victims of crime: They closed the victims of crime office.

43. Hire 8,000 nurses by the end of 2007: In January, the Grits announced they were cutting 757 nurses. Now they're rehiring, but are nowhere near that pledge.

44. Make the Ministry of Agriculture a lead ministry: Can you name the Ag minister? Farmers have marched on Queen's Park because they feel betrayed.

45. Invest in rural roads and bridges: All the money in their infrastructure announcement went to 400-series highways. The gas tax goes only to cities.

They cut $47 million from funding to municipalities. In Toronto, Mayor David Miller claims there's a $1.1-billion fiscal gap in what the province gives to that city.

47. Make sure health dollars are spent wisely: The goverment is spending $170 million to close district health councils and replace them with a new bureaucracy -- Local Health Networks.

48. Stop the waste of taxpayers' dollars: Where to start? You choose.

49. Guarantee stable, long-term funding for rural communities: In fact, rural communities have been cut most.

50. We will make sure Ontario stays at the forefront of world innovation in agricultural research and that this research works to help Ontario farmers: The 2005-06 estimates show that the Agriculture, Research and Technology Transfer Program has been cut by $30 million since 2003-04.

christina.blizzard@tor.sunpub.com

While this is the Ontario provincial liberals, it is a mirror image of the Chretien and Martin federal liberal party. Sleaze and lies are still sleaze and lies.

These are facts, not some supposition by an admitted conservative hater who tries to pass off opinion as facts, especially when there are no facts to back the opinion.