Why we Muslims must stop the flogging of the Teddy Bear teacher

[darkbeaver]

You have nice eyes.:smile:

 

[senorita]

You have nice eyes.:smile:

thank you :smile:

Although I dont mind extravagant compliments about my prolific wit.

 

[darkbeaver]

thank you :smile:

Although I dont mind extravagant compliments about my prolific wit.

Extravagant compliments eh, well I'll see what I can do.:smile:

 

[lone wolf]

I am in YOUR land? Kindly tell me who put your name on the map. I for one dont see it. Its amazing how you would start bringing the we vs them labels. I have travelled to various countries, and for YOUR information the MOST respect I got was in the ARAB/MUSLIM countries. And surprise, I've lived there, and expressed my views very openly. Feeling a bit faint with the shock yet? I dont have to read between the lines, you have rude, ignorant, and racist views and I'm surprised (I'm sure I shouldnt be) they're tolerated here.

Where the Hell are you reading YOUR? (Indicating possessive) The word I have used several times is OUR. (Indicating shared by ALL of us) Name calling? Seems to me you're just looking for a fight and I'm not playing into your game.

Cheers!

 

[gerryh]

Where the Hell are you reading YOUR? (Indicating possessive) The word I have used several times is OUR. (Indicating shared by ALL of us) Name calling? Seems to me you're just looking for a fight and I'm not playing into your game.

Cheers!

She just called your bluff wolf......and the best you can do is..."I'm not gonna play anymore"?

 

[lone wolf]

She just called your bluff wolf......and the best you can do is..."I'm not gonna play anymore"?

What bluff is that? She said it best: It seems to be very easy for people to sit behind their computer screens and make judgement calls.

Woof!

 

[Sparrow]

Intentional I'm sure. For your information I am not in any way justifying what happened. I am simply saying that it seems to be very easy for people to sit behind their computer screens and make judgement calls.



There are some who are not happy. They have to fight their battles. But dont paint all Muslims with one brush.A lot of us are very happy wearing the veil, and the idea even the burka (which you refer to as the cloak). It might be hard for you to understand, but for the majority of Muslim women, the idea actually is acceptable. It should not be forced. And yes there are pigs out there who do exactly the opposite of what Islam asks of us. But what I am saying is Islam is a peaceful religion, it was the very first religion to promote the rights of women. People have idealogies. They have opinions. Those are what need to change. Ive been exposed to various 'Muslim' nations...and what you hear is the news or see in the media is for the most part dramatized and sensationalised to meet the viewers judgemental expectations.



I dont think I asked you to apologise. But dont expect us to either. A lot of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists....were born 'here'. They work hard, they pay their taxes, they help charities, they are parts of monumental organizations; they are making this country what it is today. This is not YOUR land. It is the land of the people. And isnt everyone a guest here if you want to put it that way? Aside from the Native Americans, who were the original inhabitants? If you look at statistics, the percentage of Muslims who break the Canadian laws are probably the lowest ever recorded. And if this is somebodys home, where are you planning to tell them to go? If you ever read up on, or were truly exposed to a real Muslim, you'd know that respect, honor, hospitality and care for others is at the top of the priority list.

And I'd be very offended by your comments if I did not pity your ignorance.

I have 2 questions that are really buggy me and I think maybe finally you could give me an answer;
1. Why do women wear veils and burkas?
2. If it is a religious reason, where is it written?

 

[Unforgiven]

I think we're all well aware of it.

Isn't that the difference between ignorant and stupid? If you know something is wrong and choose to do nothing to change it? You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. Muslims can stand up and find ways through Islam to change the violent and destructive aspects of the religion and those who capitalize on that, or you run for the hills while someone makes the change their way. I'm positive that method will leave many Muslims feeling far more marginalized than some do now.

I know we're not talking about drugs. Ive a habit of using silly analogies when confronted with silly opinions. Im not passing the buck, I am however not taking the blame for something that has nothing to do with me. And you know what they say...practice what you preach..

Please, each is entitled to an opinion and calling them silly is nothing more than using rhetoric to cover an inability to refute the point.

No one is holding you personally responsible for terrorism. Nor the problems that are causing trouble within the Islamic religion. But saying that you aren't responsible for them doesn't remove any responsibility for making an effort to enact change to improve the situation. Of course practice what you preach is a good place to start and in doing so, I try to do just that. I support the action of my countries military in Afghanistan to disable the fanatical Islamic faction called the Taliban from supporting any more terrorist groups within that country and providing aid to moderate Islamic leaders to help build a stable and constructive society that abides a peaceful and upstanding ideal for Afghanistan and her people along with the countries around her.

There are a billion and one issues that plague our societies. Why pick one and label innocent people according to it?

The only label I put on anyone is indicative of those who want to find a solution and those who don't. Which category do you feel best describes your feelings on the issue?

 

[Unforgiven]

I am in YOUR land? Kindly tell me who put your name on the map. I for one dont see it. Its amazing how you would start bringing the we vs them labels. I have travelled to various countries, and for YOUR information the MOST respect I got was in the ARAB/MUSLIM countries. And surprise, I've lived there, and expressed my views very openly. Feeling a bit faint with the shock yet? I dont have to read between the lines, you have rude, ignorant, and racist views and I'm surprised (I'm sure I shouldnt be) they're tolerated here.

Aren't you painting the rest of us with the very same brush you say no one should paint you with?

Though I haven't been, and it's on the list of things to do before I shake off this mortal coil, I think the difference here is that you are trying to compare the people with the laws of the land. While I have come to understand that some people who live in, for example Syria or Egypt or Iran will in fact invite travelers into their home, for a meal and some conversation and take great pride in showing them some of the best aspects of their culture, it is no different in America, Canada or England or any other democratic country.

I think when you get down to it, people are people and for the most part, they just want to get along and have a little fun now and again. There is a saying; You meet the best people in the dives, and I think in practice this is true. It's often the poorest people that are most welcoming because they know they have nothing to lose and everything to gain in meeting someone they will call friend soon.

While there is always going to be those who live to take advantage of those they come into contact with, the onus falls to the rest of us to see that they don't get too carried away with that sort of thing.

Law on the other hand is made by government to control people. While it's a fact that people do need to be controlled to some extent, that idea can and does get corrupted sometimes and can turn away from controlling the damage the worst that people can do into oppressing the best things in people. And so we come right around to the Teddy Bear.

What is the worst thing that could happen should a child call a teddy bear Mohammad?

If it is really about respect then it's an opportunity to teach children and apparently a teacher from Britain, why it is disrespectful to do such a thing, rather than affirming to the rest of the world that Islam is used to justify a barbaric and harsh punishment in order to instill fear of the Sharia form of Islamic government.

 

[darkbeaver]

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Will that bird fly? Or will it disentigrate? It's big, it's on TV, it's expendable, it's perfect.

Islamic teddy bear arrested in Dallas airport with pipebomb.

 

[lone wolf]

Teddy Bear's Picnic


Lyrics: Jimmy Kennedy
Music: John W Bratton

Played occasionally by Jerry Garcia as a "tuning" jam between songs with the Grateful Dead. Jerry played it live a couple of times with David Grisman (with lyrics),and recorded it on "Not For Kids Only." It was also played a few times by Nicky Hopkins with the Jerry Garcia Band in 1975.

Also played by Bob Weir with The Dead as a short instrumental.

If you go down to the woods today
You're sure of a big surprise
If you go down to the woods today
You better go in disguise
For every bear that ever there was
Will gather there for certain because
Today's the day the teddy bears have their picnic

Every teddy bear whose been good
Is sure of a treat today
There's lots of marvelous things to eat
And wonderful games to play
Beneath the trees, where nobody sees
They'll hide and seek as long as they please
'Cause that's the way the teddy bears have their picnic

Picnic time for teddy bears
The little teddy bears are having a lovely time today
Watch them, catch them unawares
And see them picnic on their holiday
See them gaily gad about
They love, to play and shout, they never have any cares
At six o'clock their mommies and daddies
Will take them home to bed
Because they're tired little teddy bears

If you go down in the woods today
You better not go alone
It's lovely down in the woods today
But safer to stay at home
For every bear that ever there was
Will gather there together because
Today's the day the teddy bears have their picnic
Today's the day the teddy bears have their picnic
​

 

[darkbeaver]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[darkbeaver]

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Declassified paper details Nazi medical experiments conducted on captured teddys.

Teddys the forgotten victims of the Holocost.

Democrats support bill for genital equality among American teddys.

Stuffing rights activists destroy police vehicles at rally.

Pope Teddy XIV invokes encyclic banning catholic plastic surgeons from performing genital transplants on catholic teddys.

 

[senorita]

Where the Hell are you reading YOUR? (Indicating possessive) The word I have used several times is OUR. (Indicating shared by ALL of us) Name calling? Seems to me you're just looking for a fight and I'm not playing into your game.
Cheers!

Possessive? Read your comment I quoted below.

My oh my you ended with cheers and not a woof. I apologise if I am the cause of such distress.

Good thing you are in OUR land or you would likely be buggy-whipped for speaking in such a way to a man.
Woof!

I'm not looking for a fight. I'm not attacking you. I am also not insulting you. I am trying to tell you that your views need to be updated. If you think thats cause for a fight, maybe you should re-read what you said to me. :canada:

I have 2 questions that are really buggy me and I think maybe finally you could give me an answer;
1. Why do women wear veils and burkas?
2. If it is a religious reason, where is it written?

1.) Women wear veils, hijabs, or burkas as a sign of modesty.

2.) It is written in the Quran.

Say to the believing man that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; and that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands..." (Qur'an Nur 24:30-31)

Just to clarify that Islam promotes modesty. We believe not just for women, but also for men. It is a sign of respect for ones body. Now again we have to keep in mind that Islam also states that your actions depend on your intentions. This is crucial to remember in Islam. So one can be close to God, without wearing a veil. And nowhere does it distinctly state that women have to wear 'cloaks', the entire covering from head to toe with only the eyes showing. Most people translate the verse to mean that one should dress modestly..meaning clothes that cover the body properly or hijab, to cover the hair also. But some women do believe that their entire body is something only for themselves and those very close to them to see...and to be honest I dont have an issue with it..if they feel they are being better followers by doing so...why not.

 

[lone wolf]

Possessive? Read your comment I quoted below.


My oh my you ended with cheers and not a woof. I apologise if I am the cause of such distress.
Distress? Hardly. It signifies that which you interpret as "respect": Go away. Your trolling is getting annoying.


I'm not looking for a fight. I'm not attacking you. I am also not insulting you. I am trying to tell you that your views need to be updated. If you think thats cause for a fight, maybe you should re-read what you said to me. :canada:

Good thing you are in OUR land or you would likely be buggy-whipped for speaking in such a way to a man.

I wouldn't think someone who so obviously knows it all should need an interpretation. As a muslim, and IF you were in a land that doesn't allow the freedoms of Canada, a man could be highly insulted to be spoken down to by a mere woman. Quite legally, he could demand retribution. Good thing you are in a land where such "disrespect" is allowed. Right?

See, I don't claim to know anything about Islam. All I see are the actions of people. My views are my own and who do you think you are in hoping to force me to adopt your way of thinking? If that is what Islam is all about, then you have driven me farther away from seeing it as anything good. Ambassador? Don't quit your day job.

Woof!

 

[darkbeaver]

Constipated teddy explodes at professional food eating finals in St John NB, spectators showered with partially digested cheeseburgers, law suits eminent, the advocacy group Functional Bums Now demands renewed funding for the reserch project Anuses for Toys cancelled by the Harper government after coming to power, toy industry spokesman vows to fight legislation citing loss of competative edge as reason.

 

[senorita]

Isn't that the difference between ignorant and stupid? If you know something is wrong and choose to do nothing to change it? You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. Muslims can stand up and find ways through Islam to change the violent and destructive aspects of the religion and those who capitalize on that, or you run for the hills while someone makes the change their way. I'm positive that method will leave many Muslims feeling far more marginalized than some do now.

I will be honest here with you. There are many things in life I feel are wrong. And you know what, for most of them, I am not doing anything about. I'm sure I dont have to state why...

Muslims can and DO stand up and promote peace. But thats not what the media wants to cover. Things are never as simple as we sometimes think them to be. There are people who use Islam. Personally I do not even consider them Muslims, but then I have to tell myself that it is God who must judge them and not I.

Please, each is entitled to an opinion and calling them silly is nothing more than using rhetoric to cover an inability to refute the point.

No one is holding you personally responsible for terrorism. Nor the problems that are causing trouble within the Islamic religion. But saying that you aren't responsible for them doesn't remove any responsibility for making an effort to enact change to improve the situation. Of course practice what you preach is a good place to start and in doing so, I try to do just that. I support the action of my countries military in Afghanistan to disable the fanatical Islamic faction called the Taliban from supporting any more terrorist groups within that country and providing aid to moderate Islamic leaders to help build a stable and constructive society that abides a peaceful and upstanding ideal for Afghanistan and her people along with the countries around her.

Some points can be refuted but the other party will refuse to acknowledge until the cows come home.

It's great that you stand by your country's actions. It is a matter of perspective...I do support my fellow Muslims who wish to spread peace...and there are many of those.

Do you ever see ja'maah groups in the media. To point out, there are many many Muslims, hundreds and thousands who leave their jobs, homes, families to go out and teach people that Islam is about peace. They come from all types of countries, and they travel to all types of countries. They help those in need . They take part in programs and activities to help those around them. I have never in all my days seen coverage of such people in the news.

I am not blaming you for anything, and I hope you know I am also not trying to pick a fight. But there ARE Muslims out there who dedicate their lives to helping others. It's sad nobody ever sees that side of Islam.

The only label I put on anyone is indicative of those who want to find a solution and those who don't. Which category do you feel best describes your feelings on the issue?

I hope you will have determined that by my above comments.

p.s. Moderate Muslims have been swift to condemn the events in Sudan. Daisy Khan, director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement, spoke to Bill Weir on "Good Morning America Weekend Edition" about how a school project escalated into a crisis over the Christian and Muslim cultural divide and why it should be seen only as fringe extremism. (ABC news)

Aren't you painting the rest of us with the very same brush you say no one should paint you with?

Though I haven't been, and it's on the list of things to do before I shake off this mortal coil, I think the difference here is that you are trying to compare the people with the laws of the land. While I have come to understand that some people who live in, for example Syria or Egypt or Iran will in fact invite travelers into their home, for a meal and some conversation and take great pride in showing them some of the best aspects of their culture, it is no different in America, Canada or England or any other democratic country.

I think Im trying to state that there is a difference between issues with a faith and issues with a people...

I think when you get down to it, people are people and for the most part, they just want to get along and have a little fun now and again. There is a saying; You meet the best people in the dives, and I think in practice this is true. It's often the poorest people that are most welcoming because they know they have nothing to lose and everything to gain in meeting someone they will call friend soon.

Possibily...but I wish you had been exposed to real Muslims , you would see that is not always true..hospitality is something common amongst most eastern countries...its something I appreciate about where I am originally from.

While there is always going to be those who live to take advantage of those they come into contact with, the onus falls to the rest of us to see that they don't get too carried away with that sort of thing.

Law on the other hand is made by government to control people. While it's a fact that people do need to be controlled to some extent, that idea can and does get corrupted sometimes and can turn away from controlling the damage the worst that people can do into oppressing the best things in people. And so we come right around to the Teddy Bear.

What is the worst thing that could happen should a child call a teddy bear Mohammad?

If it is really about respect then it's an opportunity to teach children and apparently a teacher from Britain, why it is disrespectful to do such a thing, rather than affirming to the rest of the world that Islam is used to justify a barbaric and harsh punishment in order to instill fear of the Sharia form of Islamic government.

I think its safe to conclude that such a barbaric punishment was not applied to the poor teacher. I dont believe in such laws and such opinions of violence against somebody who made a mistake.

What I was on about in this thread was that Islam is misinterpreted. A whole lot. I mean what people hear or see in the media is for the most part very dramatized coverage of the negatives...we rarely ever get to see the real Muslims who contribute in postive ways.

 

[senorita]

I wouldn't think someone who so obviously knows it all should need an interpretation. As a muslim, and IF you were in a land that doesn't allow the freedoms of Canada, a man could be highly insulted to be spoken down to by a mere woman. Quite legally, he could demand retribution. Good thing you are in a land where such "disrespect" is allowed. Right?

See, I don't claim to know anything about Islam. All I see are the actions of people. My views are my own and who do you think you are in hoping to force me to adopt your way of thinking? If that is what Islam is all about, then you have driven me farther away from seeing it as anything good. Ambassador? Don't quit your day job.

Woof!

In that same land which you speak of and I know not of...if you spoke to a woman this way you'd be in murky waters yourself.

I don't recall disrespecting you. I simply contradicted your views.

I know what you're exposed to when it comes to Islam. Which is why I am posting here. I don't want you to nor am I forcing you to adopt to my way of thinking. What would I accomplish if you did that...I detest the idea of jumping on the bandwagon...

Ambassador? Dont I need a degree in politics or something for that. Quit getting so worked up will you, I'll offer a handshake...my grandfather used to say 'be the bigger person and turn the insult into a compliment'

Coming out of the toy box, a candid interview with gay teddy bear 6:05 CNN.

Democrats support bill for genital equality among American teddys.

^lol.

 

[darkbeaver]

the teddy bear is the message-----------------------------Marshall McCluein

 

[Sparrow]

1.) Women wear veils, hijabs, or burkas as a sign of modesty.

2.) It is written in the Quran.

Say to the believing man that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; and that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands..." (Qur'an Nur 24:30-31)

Just to clarify that Islam promotes modesty. We believe not just for women, but also for men. It is a sign of respect for ones body. Now again we have to keep in mind that Islam also states that your actions depend on your intentions. This is crucial to remember in Islam. So one can be close to God, without wearing a veil. And nowhere does it distinctly state that women have to wear 'cloaks', the entire covering from head to toe with only the eyes showing. Most people translate the verse to mean that one should dress modestly..meaning clothes that cover the body properly or hijab, to cover the hair also. But some women do believe that their entire body is something only for themselves and those very close to them to see...and to be honest I dont have an issue with it..if they feel they are being better followers by doing so...why not.[/quote]

Thank you for the information. This is an explanation that we are unaware of and sheds a different light on the matter.