Why The Towers Fell

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quandary121

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If a President can't keep an Oval Office blowjob secret, and that only involves two people...how would a massive conspiracy like this still be under wrap almost 7 years later?


Yes...that was a rhetorical question...for the conspiratorally challenged...

who says its under wraps,? so many explanations for the collapse have been put forwards, from debunking the event, to the official report, (a lie) that there is no need to look for the whistle blowers, as they would have been discredited along with all the other hoaxes, like holograms, jet fuel ,and such like anyone who pops there head out to say anything, is shot down immediately, conspiratorally challenged or not, this was a inside job
 

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JCB is a brand name here. We also have Caterpillar, Ford, John Deere, etc.
I do believe that it would only take a few seconds for the entire building to collapse. This explains why I think that.


This explains why I think that.

i read this but it should have taken longer then the 8-9 seconds for the pancake theory to work, as i stated earlier it would of take about 96 seconds, if the lower floors were not damaged somehow prior to the collapse
 

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who says its under wraps,? so many explanations for the collapse have been put forwards, from debunking the event, to the official report, (a lie) that there is no need to look for the whistle blowers, as they would have been discredited along with all the other hoaxes, like holograms, jet fuel ,and such like anyone who pops there head out to say anything, is shot down immediately, conspiratorally challenged or not, this was a inside job
I think there was something suspicious going on inside the issue also. However, I cannot see it being a completely inside job.
110 stories falling from a height of about 1375 feet would be doing over 100 mph. It would only take a few seconds.
 

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more B/S

[edit] Ignition

Metals are capable of burning under the right conditions, similarly to the combustion process of wood or gasoline. In fact, rust is the result of oxidation of steel or iron at very slow rates. A thermite reaction is a process in which the correct mixture of metallic fuels are combined and ignited. Ignition itself requires extremely high temperatures.
Ignition of a thermite reaction normally requires supervision by a trained technician, and may require persistent efforts, as ignition can be unreliable and unpredictable. Thermite reactions require very high temperatures for initiation. These temperatures cannot be reached with conventional black powder fuses, nitrocellulose rods, detonators, a suitable pyrotechnic initiator, or other common igniting substances. Even when the thermite is hot enough to glow bright red, it will not ignite as it must be at or near white-hot to initiate the reaction. It is possible to start the reaction using a propane torch if done correctly. The torch can preheat the entire pile of thermite which will make it explode instead of burning slowly when it finally reaches ignition temperature.


so much for your theory

So are we to believe that men set off all the Thermite with PROPANE TORCHES! :lol:

This gets better and better!
 

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how rediculess is your statement where do you get your facts from are you on drugs

I was being sarcastic. It is a theory from a CanCon member who pretty much thinks like you to be honest. He believes that the planes were holograms and the building was demolished in an inside job. You both are very much alike.
 

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who says its under wraps,? so many explanations for the collapse have been put forwards, from debunking the event, to the official report, (a lie) that there is no need to look for the whistle blowers, as they would have been discredited along with all the other hoaxes, like holograms, jet fuel ,and such like anyone who pops there head out to say anything, is shot down immediately, conspiratorally challenged or not, this was a inside job

<hearing Twilight Zone intro>
 

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I DONT NEED sarcastic.REMARKS THANKS

Well I was also pointing out that you are one of many conspiracy theorists and his whacky theory is just as legitimate as yours. He has pictures of holograms and all kinds of links saying that no planes hit the WTC's and that they were holograms.
 

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A missile cruiser? Like a naval ship?

What happened to the plane that dissapeared over DC that day?


Many witnesses were in their cars, in a traffic jam directly in front of the Pentagon. Most of those people drove away and were not interviewed. Below is a summary of the accounts quoted in the lists and spreadsheet summary above. These are mostly accounts that appeared in mainstream media reports. Many more people probably witnessed the attack.

From the lists above, 136 people saw the plane approach the Pentagon, and​

104 directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon.


6 were nearly hit by the plane in front of the Pentagon. Several others were within 100-200 feet of the impact.​


26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet.


39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner.​


2 described a smaller corporate jet. 1 described a "commuter plane" but didn't mention the size.​


7 said it was a Boeing 757.​


8 witnesses were pilots. One witness was an Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower Chief.


2 witnesses were firefighters working on their truck at the Pentagon heliport.​


4 made radio calls to inform emergency services that a plane had hit the Pentagon.


10 said the plane's flaps and landing gear were not deployed (1 thought landing gear struck a light pole).​


16 mentioned seeing the plane hit light poles/trees, or were next to to the poles when it happened. Another 8 mentioned the light poles being knocked down: it's unknown if they saw them hit.​


42 mentioned seeing aircraft debris. 4 mentioned seeing airline seats. 3 mentioned engine parts.​


2 mentioned bodies still strapped into seats.


15 mentioned smelling or contacting aviation/jet fuel.


3 had vehicles damaged by light poles or aircraft debris. Several saw other occupied vehicles damaged.​


3 took photographs of the aftermath.


Many mentioned false alarm warnings of other incoming planes after the crash. One said "3-4 warnings."​


And of course,​


0 saw a military aircraft or missile strike the Pentagon.


0 saw a plane narrowly miss the Pentagon and fly away.
 

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So are you saying a misslie cruiser (I assume you mean cruise missile) hit the Pentagon or a plane?
 

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So are you saying a misslie cruiser (I assume you mean cruise missile) hit the Pentagon or a plane?

The Pentagon Attack

At around 9:39 AM, after both towers had been hit but before either had exploded, a 757 thought to be Flight 77 approached the Pentagon. Having flown over the capital from the north, it ultimately approached the west block of the Pentagon from the southwest, after making a 270-degree turn while descending 7000 feet.
The jetliner was less than 100 feet overhead as it swooped over stalled traffic on the highway adjacent to the large lawn and heliport on the west side of the sprawling building. Some eyewitnesses said that the plane banked left and its left wing hit the heliport. Witnesses variously describe the plane crashing into the facade, hitting the ground in front of the facade it and exploding, disappearing into the building, and being swallowed by rings of smoke. They agree that there was a huge explosion and fireball, and torrents of smoke in the wake of the strike. Some describe small fragments of aircraft raining down.
Some onlookers were surprised at the lack of apparent aircraft debris in front of the Pentagon, and some remarked that the impact hole seemed small given the size of the jetliner. Similar observations based on photographs of the crash zone shortly after the attack have fueled controversy over the attack, and theories that something other than a 757 hit the Pentagon that day.
[SIZE=-1]A section of the building above the heavily damaged first and second floors collapsed about 20 minutes after the initial attack. [/SIZE]

No Impact Photos

In the minutes following the attack, the FBI confiscated from nearby businesses video recordings that might have captured the attack. In contrast to the well-documented tower crashes and collapses in Manhattan, the story of Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon had no corroborating pictures, only eyewitness accounts and photos of the building's damaged facade. And those post-collapse photos convinced many researchers that no Boeing 757 crashed into the building. In early 2002, the Pentagon released a series of five images from a security camera, supposedly showing the moments of impact. However, the images were clearly fabricated.
Pentagon Attack Errors


There are numerous pieces of evidence that point to the attack on the Pentagon being an inside job. These include:
  • The location of the attack: The portion of the Pentagon that was struck was nearly empty due to a renovation program.
  • The aircraft approach maneuver: The attack plane executed an extreme spiral dive maneuver to strike said portion of the building from the southwest, opposite the direction from which it approached the capital.
  • The incompetence of the alleged pilot: Flight 77 was supposedly piloted by Hani Hanjour, about whom a flight instructor said: "He couldn't fly at all".
  • Signs of a cover-up: Numerous actions by officials indicate an ongoing cover-up of the facts concerning the attack.
These and other undisputed facts, constituting highly incriminating evidence of involvement of officials in the attack and coverup, have been largely eclipsed by an ongoing controversy over whether the Pentagon was hit by a jetliner at all. From early 2002, some skeptics of the official story have maintained that the Pentagon was attacked, not by a jetliner, but one of or a combination of a truck bomb, a missile or cruise missile, an attack drone aircraft or commuter jet, a flyover by a 757, and internal demolition charges. 9-11 Research provides a history of Pentagon strike theories.
The debate over what hit the Pentagon has thrived due to the apparent contradiction between the eyewitness and physical evidence. Whereas a large body of reports of eyewitness accounts strongly supports that a twin-enginer jetliner swooped in at a very low altitude and exploded at or in front of the Pentagon; photographs of the damaged facade and lawn show an apparent near-absence of aircraft debris and a pattern of damage to the Pentagon's facade showing unbroken windows in the paths of the outer wings and the vertical tail section.

Numerous points based on the physical evidence of the crash site seem to make an overwhelming cumulative case against a 757 having crashed there, provided one ignores the eyewitness evidence. However, most of these points involve some error in evaluating the evidence. Those errors include the following.
 

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EVEN YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT THINKS ITS A COVER UP

Ron Paul: Doesn't Accept 9/11 Investigation
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ihCP3cfS88E
Canadian MP Libby Davies reads 9/11 petition in Parliament
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New Democratic Party Deputy House Leader Libby Davies delivers a Parliamentary Petition signed by over 500 Canadians demanding a new 9/11 investigation, in Canada's House of Commons during Routine Proceedings at 1:10 pm on June 10, 2008

Here is the full text of the petition, available to sign at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ca...

PETITION TO THE HOUSE OF COMMONS
IN PARLIAMENT ASSEMBLED

We, the undersigned citizens of Canada draw the attention of the House to the following:

THAT, scientific and eyewitness evidence shows that the 9/11 Commission Report is a fraudulent document and that those behind the report are consciously or unconsciously guilty of covering up what happened on 9/11/2001. This evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that World Trade Center Towers 1, 2 and 7 were brought down by demolition explosives and that the official theory of the towers collapsing from the airplanes and the ensuing fires is irrefutably false.

We further believe that elements within the US government were complicit in the murder of thousands of people on 9/11/2001. This event brought Canada into the so-called "War on Terror," it changed our domestic and foreign policies for the worse, and it will continue to have negative consequences for us all if we refuse to look at the facts.

THEREFORE, your petitioners call upon Parliament to:

(1) Immediately launch its own investigation into the events of 9/11/2001 on behalf of the 24 Canadian citizens murdered in New York City.

(2) Act lawfully on the findings of its own investigation by helping to pursue the guilty parties in the international courts
 
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