Why Teddy 'Scrooge' Ballgame Didn't Give To The Book Fund

[TeddyBallgame]

I see Teddy is handing out the "reds" again, which I suppose is one "tool" for those of limited ability!

- Here's the deal, whackjob ... you initiated the insults as you usually do by claiming that my post concerning the differences between public and private sector pensions was bulls#it ... I responded with actual facts, data and reasoning which to any informed person of normal intelligence would have been credible and conclusive ... you then, not being man enough to admit that you were wrong and I was right nor intelligent enough to at least keep your gob shut, upped the ante by calling me a fu$$ing a$$hole ... Not wanting to engage in further verbal conflict with an unarmed man and not being the kind of person who runs for help to the moderator, I simply red flagged your most egregious insult.

- As to tools WITH limited ability, you get to experience that every few days when you bother to shave and have to look in the mirror.

- lets stop this juvenile s%it at least for the rest of the day, OK, because I have better things to do with my time even if you do not.

 

[JLM]

- Here's the deal, whackjob ... you initiated the insults as you usually do by claiming that my post concerning the differences between public and private sector pensions was bulls#it ... I responded with actual facts, data and reasoning which to any informed person of normal intelligence would have been credible and conclusive ... you then, not being man enough to admit that you were wrong and I was right nor intelligent enough to at least keep your gob shut, upped the ante by calling me a fu$$ing a$$hole ... Not wanting to engage in further verbal conflict with an unarmed man and not being the kind of person who runs for help to the moderator, I simply red flagged your most egregious insult.

- As to tools WITH limited ability, you get to experience that every few days when you bother to shave and have to look in the mirror.

- lets stop this juvenile s%it at least for the rest of the day, OK, because I have better things to do with my time even if you do not.

WRONG AGAIN, as usual whackjob. If you check post #28 (which I denigrated the argument not the poster) I simply supplied the facts about the ability of private investing. (how well it does is largely dependent on the ability of the investor to be prudent) So before you start bad mouthing people, do your home work. If you want to denigrate an opinion that's one thing, but when you start denigrating the poster you're liable to get it handed back which I will do every time. Any more sh*t from you and I WILL report you!

 

[TeddyBallgame]

i suppose i'm really the wrong guy to comment here as i retired at 56 and did benefit from the gov't. Contribution, but i put in 35 years to do it. But i often did wish i could have done my own investing instead. With your own plan you can switch back and forth between equities and fixed income according to when equities are doing well or poorly.

- ROTFPIMPALMFARO!!!

- JLM ... Don't ever change, you're one in a million!

 

[JLM]

- ROTFPIMPALMFARO!!!

- JLM ... Don't ever change, you're one in a million!

That post pretty well defines your ability-

 

[JLM]

Perhaps it's time to dispel a possible myth here. First there are at least two types of public service pensions one being the one politicians are eligle for after 6 years of service.............those are taxpayer funded pensions. The second is for the working stiff in the service whereby 35 years of service are required for full benefits. Actually this fund is a money maker for the government. They get full use of the employees money for 35 years PLUS a portion of it for in some cases up to 40 more years after retirement. The employee has no choice about contributing (wonder why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). For all this they match your contribution. Big bloody deal. A shrewd investor can double his investment in 7 years. Also what happens if the guy drops dead two years after retirement and leaves no family? Gov't probably snaps that up as well. Anyway just thought I'd clear up a misnomer. This pension scheme was in place in the early days of old WAC and that old curmudgeon never gave anything away.

 

[petros]

How do private sector wages compare with public sector wages?

Public sector jobs pay jack sh*t.

NOt sure on all the rules since they don't apply to me but all of them will make far more in pension than I will and there is something really wrong when a person can retire at 55 courtesy of the taxpayer.

Do you use the taxpayer funded RSP tax credit?

 

[captain morgan]

Do you use the taxpayer funded RSP tax credit?

That becomes taxable at the point it is withdrawn... The system also is set up such that by the time you retire, you only have a few years to withdraw the funds before it becomes mandatory: Read: If you saved significant sums over the years, you'll be paying the highest marginal tax rate on the funds

 

[petros]

They can't tax gold and silver.

 

[captain morgan]

indeed, they can not..... yet

 

[damngrumpy]

Teddy lets clear up some misconceptions here. First I am not childless we have seven kids and
twenty two grand kids and wait for it three small great grand kids and I don't mind paying for their
education one bit.
I was a union leader I was at another time a GM of a business and now I am a farmer. I see things
from both sides and sometimes both sides become idiots. in addition it should be pointed out that
95% of the labour issues faced in this country are settled without job action. There are times when
they can't and their is a ritual that goes with that. Here is how it works. When it gets out of control.

The actual safety valve is a lockout or strike. yes a safety valve it allows for the community to become
aware there's a problem and at the same time it allows both side to blow off some steam Why?
Well, in negotiating something both sides still have to vote one way or another its democracy.
If you have a room full of angry people business or union they will vote no. If you allow both sides to
vent a bit it's cheaper than a no vote and the disturbance ends more quickly. Been there done that
on both sides.

As for the country being broke that too is nonsense we are one of the richest nations in the world and
we had better start taking care of our own business. Until the materials are mined or drilled for they are
ours. All Canadians. Two things must happen here, we must get more money for Canadians from value
added and secondly we must get more for the metals and oil in the ground. That can offset a lot of
program investments. We must also start to value our safety net programs as investments because that
will change our mentality approach. The money we collect could do a lot of good but we waste it not on
people but on duplication, dead end programs and changing the name of programs for political reasons,
Think about it, brochures, name plates, business cards, letter heads and office name plates when the
program changes names or people in management change the name of their titles IT IS IN The Millions
and it changes over and over again,.
Blaming experienced high quality labour is nonsense. What if they were low paid, uneducated and untrained
and you couldn't get service? That would cost even more money, and no one would be care.
There are a lot bigger problems in our economy than organized labour private or public sector.

 

[petros]

indeed, they can not..... yet

it won't happen. Too many in positions of power utilize the shelter.

 

[SLM]

So, in summary, there was a long winded explanation at the checkout when a simple no would have sufficed. I'm sure the store employee was just thrilled to hear it, being as how it was her job to ask the question and she probably doesn't have any other interest other than that. Followed by a thread to pat yourself on the back for said long winded explanation.

And the kids still have no books. But hey as long as you made your point.

 

[petros]

Dollars to donuts says Coles will get a tax credit for donating books bought with customer donations.

 

[JLM]

Teddy lets clear up some misconceptions.

To clear up Teddy's misconceptions you'd have to type at 100 words per minute for about two years.-

The actual safety valve is a lockout or strike. yes a safety valve it allows for the community to become
aware there's a problem and at the same time it allows both side to blow off some steam Why?
Well, in negotiating something both sides still have to vote one way or another its democracy.
If you have a room full of angry people business or union they will vote no. If you allow both sides to
vent a bit it's cheaper than a no vote and the disturbance ends more quickly. Been there done that
on both sides.

I've often thought that after strikes/lockouts have persisted for several months a settlement is generally reached somewhere close to the middle. Think of the money, time, worry and frustration that could be saved if both sides just moved there in the first place!- There's an old saying to the effect that only a fool does the same thing over and over expecting different results!

 

[Liberalman]

I don't usually agree with TeddyBallgame so I am not going to start now.
Tedddy lives in a fantasy world and in the spirit of the holidays I will wait until the New Year to cut this one to shreds and to Teddy and the rest of you I wish very happy holidays and may you all get the best in the New Year.
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[JLM]

I don't usually agree with TeddyBallgame so I am not going to start now.
Tedddy lives in a fantasy world and in the spirit of the holidays I will wait until the New Year to cut this one to shreds and to Teddy and the rest of you I wish very happy holidays and may you all get the best in the New Year.
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You guys are both so far out there, that if you both turned around you'd be face to face!-

 

[TeddyBallgame]

I don't usually agree with TeddyBallgame so I am not going to start now.
Tedddy lives in a fantasy world and in the spirit of the holidays I will wait until the New Year to cut this one to shreds and to Teddy and the rest of you I wish very happy holidays and may you all get the best in the New Year.
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- L ... Since reading your promise to cut my argument in this thread to shreds sometime in the new year, I have been crouched in a corner in fear, a trembling heap of utter anxiety and dread. You may indeed best me since there is a first time for everything and since even a broken clock is right twice a day.

- Seriously, Merry Christmas, happy holidays and a happy New Year to you, too.

- While I rarely agree with you on the political issues of the day, I do give you credit for being open and clear about your political biases and preferences rather than being sneaky about them while pretending to be open minded, free thinking, yadda. yadda, yadda.

- We have too many lefties here who pretend to be unbiased but who actually have their snouts deeply submerged in the government trough through public sector employment or public sector pensions or other entitlements and who therefore reject any political or policy position that doesn't involve ever higher taxes and government spending and ever increasing control and intrusion by governments in the Canadian economy and society. These are the Harper and Ford and Teddy Ballgame haters and I pay them the same attention trhat John Diefenbaker used to in his pitbhy observation "when you are hunting lions, you don't let the gophers drag you down". So it is a plus for you that you are true to yourself (although not a plus in my mind that you are also true to Trudeau, LOL).

- As to JLM's derogatory comment about you and about me, he is clearly the dumbest moron on this board and therefore what he has to say is almost always factually inaccurate and logically specious and ignored by everyone on this board who has an IQ higher than Forrest Gump's after a frontal lobotomy, who is not snout deep in the public trough and who is at least slightly to the right of Che and Chavez.

- And now as I tightly clutch my security blanket while crouched in this dark corner of my little room, I await in abject fear your zingers in the new year that will reduce my argument here to dust.

 

[JLM]

-
- As to JLM's derogatory comment about you and about me, he is clearly the dumbest moron on this board and therefore what he has to say is almost always factually inaccurate and logically specious and ignored by everyone on this board who has an IQ higher than Forrest Gump's after a frontal lobotomy, who is not snout deep in the public trough and who is at least slightly to the right of Che and Chavez.

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Maybe we should both take an I.Q. test and compare results.-

 

[taxslave]

Public sector jobs pay jack sh*t.


Do you use the taxpayer funded RSP tax credit?

public service jobs pay extremely well at both ends. It is the ones in the middle like tradespeople that loose out. The low end like cleaners and secretaries pay close to double private. Same with management. Right up there or better than private but better bennies and no performance demands.

RRSP tax credit is NOT funded by taxpayers. It is a simply a deffered tax plan. In any event credits do not cost taxpayers anything.

 

[TeddyBallgame]

1/ Teddy lets clear up some misconceptions here. First I am not childless we have seven kids and
twenty two grand kids and wait for it three small great grand kids and I don't mind paying for their
education one bit.

2/ I was a union leader I was at another time a GM of a business and now I am a farmer.

3/ As for the country being broke that too is nonsense we are one of the richest nations in the world and
we had better start taking care of our own business. Until the materials are mined or drilled for they are
ours. All Canadians. Two things must happen here, we must get more money for Canadians from value
added and secondly we must get more for the metals and oil in the ground. That can offset a lot of
program investments. We must also start to value our safety net programs as investments because that
will change our mentality approach. The money we collect could do a lot of good but we waste it not on
people but on duplication, dead end programs and changing the name of programs for political reasons,
Think about it, brochures, name plates, business cards, letter heads and office name plates when the
program changes names or people in management change the name of their titles IT IS IN The Millions
and it changes over and over again,.

4/ Blaming experienced high quality labour is nonsense. What if they were low paid, uneducated and untrained
and you couldn't get service? That would cost even more money, and no one would be care.
There are a lot bigger problems in our economy than organized labour private or public sector.

- DG ... 1/ Congrats! If Canadians generally produced as many offspring as you have rather than producing on average below the replacement rate which is 2.1 per couple, then we would have a much larger country with the size of domestic economic demand that would enable us to maintain our high standard of living without having to export and be competitive with other economies. But we don;t so we must.

2/ Diversity of experience is a great thing for an informed perspective and, like you, I have had a diversity of experience in the public and private sectors although the most enriching of these experiences was as a management consultant which over nearly 30 years exposed me to dozens of companies, departments and NFPs in all the key sectors and industries. By the way, if you really are unaffiliated with any political party, you are the first union leader from The Left Coast I have ever come across who is so congratulations. Were you a public sector or a private sector union leader? And would you kindly answer the one question I actually asked you in he post to which you are responding, namely do you really believe that there is no difference between the dynamics and legitimacy and results of collective bargaining and strikes in the public sector compared with the private sector? If you want an actual discussion rather than just a platform to write pro-union talking points, I would ask you to respond to this key question.

3/ You sound just like a politician, an NDP politician, and your oration on the economy is simplistic and not very helpful. Just for example, your suggestion that new business cards and letterhead wastes more public money than needless numbers of unproductive public sector employees with inflated compensation and grossly inflated pensions is quite simply absurd and nobody with even a cursory handle on public sector costs will buy it. For example, the pay, perks and pensions of greater public sector employees in the city of Toronto now amounts to nearly 80% of the operating budget, over 55% of the operating budget of Ontario and about 20% of the federal operating budget. In other words, inflated and still rising personnel costs beyond anything affordable in the competitive market sector of the economy are the single largest components of all government budgets in Canada and any bafflegab by the unionists to deny this or to focus on trivial non-personnel expenses is simply hogwash.

4/ See 3/ above.

Maybe we should both take an I.Q. test and compare results.-

- I`m a member of Mensa whereas you, I suspect, are a member of Densa.