Why religion is not just scientifically, but morally wrong

darkbeaver

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Religio= remembering your origin, where you dived into life again. You will come to believe what is, over the ages in the valley of the shadow of death.


A tax reminder, you must complete the paper work and file or be raped
 

Twila

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Gee, cliffy, you always make it sound like you know the bible and Christianity, yet you post this obvious bullshyte. The only thing you have done with this is shown your ignorance.

can you refute it?
 

coldstream

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Religion, it appears, is uniquely incapable of, on the macro level, standing as a pluralist, humanitarian moral framework
People are blind to the fact that Secular Humanism, with its prime pillars of moral relativism and radical individualism IS a religion.

Oswald Spengler, in his book, Decline of the West, noted that all civilizations cleave to and are defined by religious roots. Once the religion goes, so does the civilization. He predicted with great prescience the economic and cultural fragmentation that would engulf the post Christian West.
 

White_Unifier

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One thing about religion is that it's universally applicable. No mention of Canadian borders in the Bible for instance.
 

MHz

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can you refute it?
I can. This world was not made perfect as a perfected world was always part of creation. That is why there are two creation stories. The Ge:1 version is how the 'dust' was made and the Ge:2 version is how Adam and Eve and all their children will see the perfected earth unfold just as the Ge:2 version describes.
This imperfect world is how we learn the difference between good and evil. That is knowledge that we take into the new earth that would not have been there if the flaw hadn't been part of the garden. Angels also lost a portion to sin that would been removed once they were in their new heaven, the perfected place of their current heaven where marriage is forbidden so imperfect children could not be born as they would have to be sent to the fiery lake. The imperfection angels have is they were not given emotions like Adam and Eve needed in order to become 'shepherds' to the lives they were given dominion over.
If our flaws are healed then theirs also being healed is not impossible since God and the Holy Spirit are perfected beings who are married and they have a child that was born perfected rather than perfection being a process. Since nobody can do anything to get to the front of the line and only a very few things to avoid being the last in the line the blackmail that religion is said to have is as bogus as man-made global warming is. Salvation comes to all and there is nothing we can do to hurry it up or slow it down. Ice-ages come to all who are alive on the planet and there is nothing we can do to hurry that up or slow it down. We can adapt by moving north or south as we follow the rain.

We would have to follow angels once we know what they know about the universe and we would then be as perfect as God was when He was first in that same place.

The Bible only introduces that concept, the book of Enoch is the one that expands on that place. The number 10,000 must mean something as it is used many, many, many times. A day on earth is 24 hours and 360 days in 1 year. If 1 day in the home of the Angels is 1,000 of our years then 1 day in their promised heaven should be 1 day equals 10,000 of our years.
Emotions take 120 years before a person has perfected all that applies to emotions and life with 'other flesh'.

One thing about religion is that it's universally applicable. No mention of Canadian borders in the Bible for instance.
Really??

Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:

and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Religion: the ultimate fandom.

Difference is most Star Trek fans and Firefly fans and Game of Thrones fans and My Little Pony fans don't kill people who don't want to be fans.
 

White_Unifier

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Really??

Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:

and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

You seem to be reading much into that passage.
 

davesmom

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you don't like it when the industrial farming community bulldozes cows to death or beats them with bats about the face or shoots them in the neck instead of the temple?

Or grab chickens by their legs and throw them around before snapping their necks?


Or keeping the pigs and chickens in crates where they can't move, stand up etc until it's time to attempt to kill them for food, or just let them die in their cages?

huh, funny nobody complains about industrial farming's neglect for animal welfare for their whole lives rather then just when they end the suffering of those poor creatures


Don't say nobody. I have complained about abuse of animals by what was called 'factory farming' for years. This includes penning animals up (as you described), improperly feeding them, lacing their foods with chemicals to fatten them up, cruel handling and transporting. Nobody listens! It's all about greed.
It is reprehensible what has been allowed in the name of profit.


I advocate for free ranging, clean environments, humane handling and adequate veterinary care for all animals, whether raised for meat or for the needs of the small farmer. This also includes appropriate feeding; domestic animals that are not carnivores, which includes most of them, should not have meat in their diets in any form. And no animal should be given hormones or antibiotics to fatten them.


It is highly offensive to me the way animals are kept and marketed!


Animals are warm blooded creatures that have the capacity to feel pain as acutely as humans.
 

Twila

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Religion: the ultimate fandom.

Difference is most Star Trek fans and Firefly fans and Game of Thrones fans and My Little Pony fans don't kill people who don't want to be fans.

that's cause we're smarter.

I hear Dune's being remade. Should be interesting.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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that's cause we're smarter.

I hear Dune's being remade. Should be interesting.
I certainly hope so! Even that fraud Herbert deserves better than that David Bowie abomination.

You mean the Bible doesn't mention Canada's sacred borders? Does it at least mention the Dominion of Canada? At least that, come on!
It's OK, I'm sure the border's exactly where Jesus wants it.

Quite the cartographer, was Jesus.
 

White_Unifier

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He considered us all children of one heavenly father, no? What kind of family gathering is it with fences between us?
 

White_Unifier

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You have a charming albeit completely unrealistic view of families. MacBeth and Duncan were cousins.

So you want us all to be one big dysfunctional family? what? You hate me, Cousin Tecumseh? :(

Unrequited love. I love you all the same... maybe.

And why would we want to erect borders between our White brethren from around the world?