Why religion is not just scientifically, but morally wrong

Mokkajava

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Tell that to all those waiting for a sandwich from the Sisters of Charity in Vancouver's Downtown Eastside .
Here is your sandwich soup and coffee , no questions asked no sermons offered .

Lol... I spent years volunteering on the downtown eastside of Vancouver ... I could tell you a thing or two about it.
 

Curious Cdn

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Science is not a belief system. It is a methodology of examining data. You are comparing Apples with Orangutans.
 

petros

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Are you high?

We're no longer burning 'witches' at the stake for one

Just beheadings and hanging gays from cranes.

cool beans!

Science is not a belief system. It is a methodology of examining data. You are comparing Apples with Orangutans.

Not necessarily. Raelians are a good example.

Raëlism (also known as Raëlianism or the Raëlian movement) is a UFO religion that was founded in 1974 by Claude Vorilhon (b. 1946), now known as Raël. The Raëlian Movement teaches that life on Earth was scientifically created by a species of extraterrestrials, which they call the Elohim. Members of this species appeared human when having personal contacts with the descendants of the humans that they made. They purposefully misinformed early humanity that they were angels, cherubim, or gods. Raëlians believe that messengers, or prophets, of the Elohim include Buddha, Jesus, and others[2][3][4] who informed humans of each era.[5] The founder of Raëlism, members claim, received the final message of the Elohim and that its purpose is to inform the world about Elohim and that if humans become aware and peaceful enough, they wish to be welcomed by them.

Another....

The Church of Christ, Scientist was founded in 1879 in Boston, Massachusetts, by Mary Baker Eddy, author of Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures, and founder of Christian Science. The church was founded "to commemorate the word and works of [Christ Jesus]" and "reinstate primitive Christianity and its lost element of healing". Sunday services are held throughout the year and weekly testimony meetings are held on Wednesday evenings, where following brief readings from the Bible and the Christian Science textbook, those in attendance are invited to give testimonies of healing brought about through Christian Science prayer.

In the early decades of the 20th century, Christian Science churches sprang up in communities around the world, though in the last several decades of that century, there was a marked decline in membership, except in Africa, where there has been growth. Several controversies have rocked the church and remain unresolved, according to dissidents. Headquartered in Boston, the church has a worldwide membership of about 85,000.[1]

an udder...


Intelligent design is a creationist religious argument for the existence of God, presented by its proponents as "an evidence-based scientific theory about life's origins"[1][2] but found to be pseudoscience.[3][4][5] Proponents claim that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."[6] Educators, philosophers, and the scientific community have demonstrated that ID is a religious argument, a form of creationism which lacks empirical support and offers no testable or tenable hypotheses.[7][8][9] Proponents argue that it is "an evidence-based scientific theory about life's origins" that challenges the methodological naturalism inherent in modern science,[2][10] while conceding that they have yet to produce a scientific theory.[11] The leading proponents of ID are associated with the Discovery Institute, a politically conservative think tank based in the United States.[n 1] Although they state that ID is not creationism and deliberately avoid assigning a personality to the designer, many of these proponents express belief that the designer is the Christian deity.[n 2]
 

Curious Cdn

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Not necessarily. Raelians are a good example.

That's science?


Intelligent design is a creationist religious argument for the existence of God, presented by its proponents as "an evidence-based scientific theory about life's origins"


Well, why don't we see inorganic mineral material becoming life-like ... even remotely organic. Matter is either alive or it isn't and the gulf between the two types is huge. Why don't we observe any of the intermediate steps between lifeless material and living material in the environment around us?

Truth is, no one knows where life came from. We know that it changes constantly but we don't see mineral changing into organisms ... and we should, if that is how life came about.
 

petros

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Not necessarily. Raelians are a good example.

That's science?


Intelligent design is a creationist religious argument for the existence of God, presented by its proponents as "an evidence-based scientific theory about life's origins"


Well, why don't we see inorganic mineral material becoming life-like ... even remotely organic. Matter is either alive or it isn't and the gulf between the two types is huge. Why don't we observe any of the intermediate steps between lifeless material and living material in the environment around us?

Truth is, no one knows where life came from. We know that it changes constantly but we don't see mineral changing into organisms ... and we should, if that is how life came about.

If the world we live in is conducive for life to be popping out of nowhere it would still be popping out of nowhere and not traced back to a single incident.
 

davesmom

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It is man who created religion. One can have faith and belief in God without religion.
When man created religion he made the rules according to his thinking of how he would like society to be. Then another man would disagree, break away and start another religion that would make his rules The ultimate power. And so on. The only thing they all had in common was their insistence that what they demanded was 'the word of God'. What great power that gave man over the masses!
But God never started any religion. All God did was give us rules that would help us live happy, successful lives. He told us what would happen to us if we didn't follow the rules but He didn't demand obedience.. He gave us free will to follow the rules or not.


It could be that people were beginning to abandon organized religions and turning more to their personal beliefs. This would cause the religious leaders to try harder to regain their power over the people and for each religious leader to try to overthrow the power of his rivals.


Just my opinion, of course, as a possibility. Whatever is at the bottom of the religious wrangling that we see today, I abhor it! It appears to be leading us quickly into the mighty war to end all wars that Jesus said was coming.
 

Curious Cdn

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If the world we live in in conducive for life popping out of nowhere it would still be popping out of nowhere and not traced back to a single incident.

Right you are and, if the physical laws of the universe are pretty much the same everywhere, you wouldn't see it happening anywhere else, either.

So, were DID life come from? If it was some sort of one time event, have the physics and chemistry of our region of space changed so that we can no longer observe any kind of transition from the inorganic into organic? Does that make sense? The physical laws of the universe appear to be pretty homogenous.
 

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If the world we live in is conducive for life to be popping out of nowhere it would still be popping out of nowhere and not traced back to a single incident.

Can't...hehehe...argue with...heh...that....hehehe...logic... bwahahahaha... sorry...
 

petros

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Right you are and, if the physical laws of the universe are pretty much the same everywhere, you wouldn't see it happening anywhere else, either.

So, were DID life come from? If it was some sort of one time event, have the physics and chemistry of our region of space changed so that we can no longer observe any kind of transition from the inorganic into organic? Does that make sense? The physical laws of the universe appear to be pretty homogenous.

Enjoy!


https://www.google.ca/amp/amp.space.com/35527-nasa-astronaut-twins-study-early-results.html
 

Curious Cdn

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Life is inconsistent. Chem and physics aren't.

Nobody knows where life comes from ... "Insufficient data for a meaningful answer" ...so sayeth the Enterprise computer.

So, however ridiculous you might find the idea, that we may have been created by a higher intelligence is just another theory.

Of course, that begs the question where that higher intelligence might come from. We live in a fourteen billion year old universe. Imagine if you can, what a multibillion year old intelligent life form might be like?
 

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It is man who created religion. One can have faith and belief in God without religion.
When man created religion he made the rules according to his thinking of how he would like society to be. Then another man would disagree, break away and start another religion that would make his rules The ultimate power. And so on. The only thing they all had in common was their insistence that what they demanded was 'the word of God'. What great power that gave man over the masses!
But God never started any religion. All God did was give us rules that would help us live happy, successful lives. He told us what would happen to us if we didn't follow the rules but He didn't demand obedience.. He gave us free will to follow the rules or not.


It could be that people were beginning to abandon organized religions and turning more to their personal beliefs. This would cause the religious leaders to try harder to regain their power over the people and for each religious leader to try to overthrow the power of his rivals.


Just my opinion, of course, as a possibility. Whatever is at the bottom of the religious wrangling that we see today, I abhor it! It appears to be leading us quickly into the mighty war to end all wars that Jesus said was coming.
But we are back to sacrificing our labour to Gaia to save us from the dreaded climate change . Soon it will be sacrificing non believing virgins .

Nobody knows where life comes from ... "Insufficient data for a meaningful answer" ...so sayeth the Enterprise computer.

So, however ridiculous you might find the idea, that we may have been created by a higher intelligence is just another theory.

Of course, that begs the question where that higher intelligence might come from. We live in a fourteen billion year old universe. Imagine if you can, what a multibillion year old intelligent life form might be like?
God .
 

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