Why Prophet Abraham

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Everybody love Abraham he is the father of Muslims, Jews and Christians
so all this fighting over religion and how it should be is really the longest
family feud in history and children's expense. Its time the Israelis put down
their guns, Its time the Muslims grew up and entered the modern world
and its time for the Christians to understand they are not the only true light
in the universe except in their own mind.
Jesus was a Jew and he did not want to start a new religion he wanted to
reform Judaism much like Martin Luther wanted to reform the Christian
identity and end years of nonsense that had built up with time.
It is time the leaders got together and solved the issue.
The ancient texts are written as symbolism not to be taken in all terms
literally. If that were truly the case many were either on drugs or completely
nut in the context of religious fervor. and I suspect bother were at play

Quran 5: 86, which means:
Say: "People of the Bible, you rest on no [sound religion] until you 'correct and observe' the Torah and the Gospel a and [the rules and duties in the original Torah and the original Gospel b] that were revealed to you from your Lord."
But [their dispraise
c] that has been revealed to you [Mohammed, in the Quran] from your Lord will surely increase much many of them in arrogance d and unbelief e; so grieve not for a people who are unbelievers [neither in the Quran, nor in you.]
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a i.e. until Jews correct the Torah, and Christians correct the Gospel; i.e. to correct what they changed and altered in both of the Torah and the Gospel.

b Including the belief in the Seal of prophets: Mohammed, son of Abdullah.

c And the correction of their mistakes.

d About you.

e In your Book.

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Abraham was neither a Jew nor yet a Christian

Quran 3: 65, which means:

[The Jewish priests and the Christians of Najran came to God’s messenger, and disputed concerning Abraham; the Jews said: he was a Jew, and the Christians said: he was a Christian; therefore, God revealed this aya:]

65. People of the Bible a, why do you dispute about Abraham [claiming he belonged to your religion], when the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed but only [a long time] after him b? Don't you realize c ?
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a i.e. Jews and Christians.

b And after revealing the Torah and the Gospel, the Judaism and Christianity appeared.

c The falsehood of your words.

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
 

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If God sent all these prophets and leaders how could any of them be in error?
Was God then in error for sending the wrong guy?
Abrahan was in the realm of the Jewish world no doubt in my mind at all.
Nice to have a competing book full of all kinds of nonsense to point out the
errors. I would believe Alice and Wonderland or Peter Pan before any of this
stuff
 

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If God sent all these prophets and leaders how could any of them be in error?
Was God then in error for sending the wrong guy?
Abrahan was in the realm of the Jewish world no doubt in my mind at all.
Nice to have a competing book full of all kinds of nonsense to point out the
errors. I would believe Alice and Wonderland or Peter Pan before any of this
stuff
Abraham was not Jewish. He was from the City Ur . It is said that from him came Issac. Then from Issac came Jacob who had twelve sons who were the twelve tribes of Is ra el. This was all written down more than likely from those who were in captivity in Babylon. Whether it is true or not remains to be seen, If these writings are taken literally, then you may as well read a book of fables. But in a figurative sense, there may be things to be learned that may surprise you. You just never really know.
 

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If God sent all these prophets and leaders how could any of them be in error?
Was God then in error for sending the wrong guy?

Damngrumpy, who said God sent the prophets in error?

They had been in the error of the idolatry, just like their peoples; and that was before sending them as apostles.
But later, He guided them and sent them to people with His message.
God is All-Knowing and He knows best whom He chooses for the prophecy and apostle-hood.

So I gave you the example of Abraham who had been like his people: the Shia or devotees of Noah. Then God guided him and sent him to his people.
The second example is Mohammed, who came out of idolatrous people, then God guided him, to the 'exclusive devotion to God alone.'
BTW, the Mahdi, also was in the error of the enthusiasm about imams, then God guided him to know the 'exclusive devotion to God alone' and to warn his people.
And in a hadith or tradition: The Mahdi: God reforms him in a night.
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Abraham and his people:

Quran 21: 51-58, which mean
{ 51. We gave to Abraham, aforetime, his right guidance a, and We were All-Knowing about him b.

52. When he said to his father and his people: "What are such statues that you are cleaving c to?"

53. They said: "We found our fathers worshipping them [and so we too worshipped them."

54. [Abraham] said: "Then obviously you and your fathers have been in manifest error [away from the truth.]

55. They said, "Are you telling us the truth, or are you kidding?"

56. [Abraham] said: "No, but your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, Who split d them up [making them nine planets after being one earth], and I am one of those giving witness to it e."

57. And [Abraham swore secretly:] “By God! I have a plan against [you, to break up] your statues [: idols] f after you have gone away [to your festival], turning your backs [to the idols.]" g

58. So he broke them into fragments, all but a big one among them h, that they might refer [their questions] to it. i}
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a It means: We showed him some of Our signs and might, in order to guide him to the truth, so that he would be firm in his belief, and then the words of the associaters would not make him waver.

b When he looked to the sky and the celestial objects, searching about his Creator, so We gave to him his right guidance and guided him to his purpose.

c i.e. constant in worshipping them.

d The meaning of the ‘splitting’ has been explained in the interpretation of the Quran 6: 14.

e i.e. one of those who saw His might and some of His signs, and so I have become certain that there is no god in the universe but He alone.
In this respect, He points out to His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 6: 75, which means:
(Thus did We show to Abraham [Our vast] kingdom of the heavens [: the planets] and the earth; so that he might be of those having sure belief.)

f He said this to himself secretly.

g So when they intended to go to the place of their playing and racing, they said: “Abraham, wouldn’t you come out with us?”
But he looked a glance at the stars [as they used to do.] Then said: "I am sick. So I cannot go with you."
So they left him and went away, and when he found an opportunity to break up their idols, he came to the statues carrying by his hand a dish with food, which he gave to them and said: "Would you eat [of this food]!?" But of course, the idols did not answer him, so he said: "What ails you that you are not speaking!?"
Then he took the axe and turned, beating the idols with [the axe by his] right hand.

h It means: except a big idol which he did not break up, and he hanged the axe on its neck.

i i.e. that haply they might refer to the big one and ask it, and because it does not speak, therefore, they will realize their ignorance for that they take it as a god.
Then when they returned from their feast, they found their idols broken up.

Quran 21: 59-65, which mean:
{ 59. They said: "Who has done this to our gods? Surely he is one of the wrong-doers!"

60. They said [to each other]: "We heard a young man, called Abraham, mention them with evil."

61. They said: "Then bring him before the eyes of the people, that they may bear witness [against him and concerning his bad words about the idols. So they went to Abraham.]"

62. They said: " Is it you, O Abraham, who have done this to our gods?"

63. [Abraham] said: "No, but this one: their chief, has done it a. So question them [about the doer], if they can speak. b

64. So they turned to [blame] themselves and said [to each other]: "Surely, it is you who are the wrong-doers [because you worship these idols besides God.]"

65. Then they reverted to their old ideas [and to their disbelief c, and said:] "You know very well that these [idols] cannot speak d."}
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a Out of rage, so that you should not worship these small ones, while it is bigger than they are.

b Therefore, Abraham ascribed the act to the big one, in order to let them realize that: if it does not agree about associating other idols with it, then how will God the Creator of all creatures agree about it?

c i.e. they changed their mind, and reverted to their doctrines and to their disbelief.

d Therefore, how do you order us to ask them?


Quran: 66-70, which mean:
66. [Abraham] said, "Do you then worship, besides God, that which can neither be of any good to you a, nor do you harm b ?”

67. "Fie upon you and that you serve instead of God, wouldn't you, then, understand c!?"

68. They said [to each other]: "Burn him [with fire] and defend your gods, if you should do [what we say to you.]" d

69. We said: "O fire, be coldness and [a means of] safety for Abraham." e

70. Then they sought to plot against him f, so We made them the greater losers g.
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a whatever you may worship them.

b If you forsake their worship.

c And abandon worshipping the idols.
So when they heard such words from him …

d So they collected firewood for one month and burned fire with it, and threw Abraham in the fire with the catapult.

e So he came out of the fire three days later, safe and without being burned, and they were astonished of his safety.

f So as to kill him, and that was after his getting out of the fire.

g By terminating them with the plague, so they lost both the life of the World and the Next Life.


The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
 
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Prophet Abraham migrated to the Land of Canaan :) Jordan)

God commanded him to leave his home country and to go to the Land of Canaan :) Jordan), and he went to where God commanded him, while his people were terminated by the plague; this is God's way in dealing with disbelievers after the departure of their messenger: God will terminate them by some way or another, like hurricanes, earthquakes, plagues :) i.e. epidemics) or the setting of their enemies on them.

Quran 21: 70-71, which mean:
{70. Then they sought to plot against him f, so We made them the greater losers g.

71. And We saved him h, and Lot i [and We brought them] to the land [Jordan j] which We blessed k for [all] people.}
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f So as to kill him, and that was after his getting out of the fire.

g By terminating them with the plague, so they lost both the life of the World and the Next Life.

h From Nimrod, from Ur of the Chaldeans.

i The son of his brother Haran; he believed in Abraham; and both of Abraham and Lot went out of Iraq, together with Sarah the wife of Abraham and the daughter of his older uncle.

j Then he went to the desert of Sinai, while Lot went to the city of Sodom near the Dead Sea.

k With a lot of trees and fruits.

So this is the way of God's dealing with disbelievers and idolaters who deny their apostle, then when he leaves them, God will terminate them.

Quran 17: 76-77 which mean:
[Abdullah son of Ubay the chief of the hypocrites went to the Jewish tribe of Bani Quraiza who inhabited the city of Yathrib or Medina, and consulted with them against the Prophet, and they designed a plot; he said to them: “Ally with Quraish to fight Mohammed and expel him out of our land with captivity and slaying.”

So God told His messenger about that, in order to beware of them, and this aya was revealed:]


{76. And they indeed have designed to annoy you [Mohammed] off the land [of Yathrib], to expel you out of it [by means of fighting and hurting]; in that case [if they had done that], they could not have tarried [in it] but only few [days, then We would have exterminated them by plague, earthquake or slaying] after your [leaving the city of Yathrib or Medina.]

77. [This was Our] program for the messengers whom We sent before you [Mohammed] d: you can never find any changing in [this] Our program.}
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d It means: We didn’t send any messenger (or apostle) before you, and then his people expelled him, but We then destroyed them.

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
 

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This is also about Prophet Abraham program of monotheism:
Quran 2: 130-132, which mean:

130. Who would forsake the religion of Abraham a, except one who fools his own soul?

We chose him in the World b, and in the Next Life he is one the righteous [in Paradise.]


131. When his Lord said to him, "Submit," he said, "I submit myself to the Lord of ‘nations and worlds’."


132. And Abraham had enjoined on his sons c with this [submission to God], and so did Jacob d, [saying:]
"My sons! Surely, God has chosen for you the religion
e [of monotheism: the exclusive submission to God alone];
therefore die not unless submissive
f [to Him.]"
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a and incline to any other religion.

b for worshipping Us, and for the prophet-hood.

c The sons of Abraham are:
Ismael (or Ishmael) whose mother is the Egyptian Hagar the slave-girl or maidservant of Sarai,
Isaac whose mother is the Iraqi Sarai: Abraham's cousin,
and Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah whose mother is Keturah: Abraham took her for wife following the death of his wife Sara, mother of Isaac.

d i.e. Jacob also enjoined on his twelve sons [: Joseph and his eleven brothers] and he said …

e i.e. God chose for you the religion of the monotheism: to worship God alone and do not associate anything with Him [in the worship and glorification.]

f i.e. submitting to God's command and complying to His obedience.

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
 

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Once I saw an English man, specialized in Islamic studies; he asked me: "Why is Prophet Abraham so important?"
I said: "He was their father: the father of the Israelites: the seed of Isaac, and the father of the Arab the descendants of Ishmael the older son of Abraham.
And Abraham was against the idolatry."

Prophet Abraham was a hero: he was one of the Shia or the devoted enthusiastic of Noah, then he was guided to know God the Creator the One: the Lord of the heavens and the earth.
Then he broke up the idols of his people in the well-known story.

Then when Prophet Mohammed was sent, God commanded him to follow the creed of Abraham who was a monotheist: devoted to God alone, and was neither a Jew nor yet a Christian, because he was before the revealing of the Torah of Moses, as was he before the revealing of the Gospel of Jesus.

Quran 16: 123, which means:
{Then We revealed to you [Mohammed]: "Follow the religion of Abraham, the Hanief [: the monotheist], who was never one of the associaters."}

The interpretation is by the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible: Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
Must be yet another pedophile.
 

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Neither he nor Mohammed was a pedophile.
But Ezra, in the present Torah, lied against Prophet Abraham:

See the book The Conflict between the Torah and the Quran ( or The Disagreement of the Quran with the Hebrew Bible), then from the list of Contents, choose Another Lie: About Abraham

The Disagreement of the