Why liberals are right to hate the Ten Commandments

earth_as_one

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How many commandments did Bush break when he lied and decieved to justify an invasion which killed thousands of people in order to seize control of Iraq's oil wealth for the benefit of his oil buddies.

I'm a agnostic, liberal, lefty, yet I have no any problems observing the 10 commandments. But they have no more place in court house any more than religious texts/believes from other religions.

For example:

May I be no man's enemy, and may I be the friend of that which is eternal and abides.
May I never devise evil against any man; if any devise evil against me, may I escape without the need of hurting him.
May I love, seek, and attain only that which is good.
May I wish for all men's happiness and envy none.
When I have done or said what is wrong, may I never wait for the rebuke of others, but always rebuke myself until I make amends.
May I win no victory that harms either me or my opponent.
May I reconcile friends who are wroth with one another.
May I, to the extent of my power, give all needful help to all who are in want.
May I never fail a friend in danger.
May I respect myself.
May I always keep tame that which rages within me.
May I never discuss who is wicked and what wicked things he has done, but know good men and follow in their footsteps.
- The Prayer of Eusebius

Do not return evil to your adversary; Requite with kindness the one who does evil to you, Maintain justice for your enemy, Be friendly to your enemy.
- Akkadian Councils of Wisdom

Shame on him who strikes, greater shame on him who strikes back. Let us live happily, not hating those who hate us. Let us therefore overcome anger by kindness, evil by good, falsehood by truth. Do not hurt others in ways that would be hurtful to yourself.
- Buddhist wisdom

Return love for hatred. Otherwise, when a great hatred is reconciled, some of it will surely remain. How can this end in goodness? Therefore the sage holds to the left hand of an agreement but does not expect what the other holder ought to do. Regard your neighbor's gain as your own and your neighbor's loss as your own loss. Whoever is self-centered cannot have the love of others.
- Taoist wisdom
 

TekJansen

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One Nation under God

Look at our anthem even: "GOD Keep our Land, glorious and free"

The USA is not a nation that forces a belief on to its people but its a nation that has Christianity at its very core, and the ideology and morals of the nation are molded around that.

"One Nation", yes. "Under God", no.

"Under God" was added in the 1950's.....a great time for America. Mcarthyism running rampant...AH, the good ol' days.


"GOD Keep our Land, glorious and free"...that's ALL you guys and your anthem.
 

s243a

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The republican party is mostly rich people. No wonder they pray:

Matthew 19:30 But many will be Last who are First; and First who are Last.
Mark 10:31 But many who are First will be Last; and the Last First."


http://www.sabbatarian.com/Content/FirstAndLast.html

 

Nuggler

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I'm really, really tired of this "liberal" vs "conservative" bull**** that is creeping up here from the US.

The notion that ALL liberals or ALL conservatives hate this, love that, are for abortion, or against abortion, is STUPID, INSULTING, AND IGNORANT.

We don't need that polarizing crap. Let's take a deep breath, and think before we post this ****e.

:thumbup: What TenPenny said.

Thinken'nugly:cool:
 

Libra Girl

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The ACLU is funded by a small group of rich guys who basically want to do as they please. They've got the morals of rabbits and the purses of Midas. I am tired of this crusading bunch of creeps.
Awwww, what did the little bunny wabbits ever do to you? ;)
 

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The left’s fiery obsession with removing Ten Commandments monuments from public property throughout the United States may seem odd and irrational but actually reflects the deepest values of contemporary liberalism..
You got to get out more if you believe that.
 

Pangloss

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First - the ACLU.

Wow, some folks here are sure quick to malign an organization they know nothing about. The membership of civil liberty groups across North America, including the ACLU, shares three characteristics: they have a greater than average education; they donate in amounts less than $200, typically; and they come from all over the political spectrum.

The Board of Directors of the ACLU, and it's advisory committees, have in their ranks: right and left wing libertarians; anarchists; small government Republican conservatives; big government Keynesians. And more. Sure, there are rich people in civil liberty groups - there are poor people too. Mostly, these are grassroots organizations.

In BC, where I was politically active, the BCCLU took both the right-wing Socred Government to court, and a few years later took the leftist New Democrats to court when they formed the gov't.

I am puzzled as to why people hate civil liberty groups: they exist to prevent unwarranted government abridgement of your rights. That's all. Civil Liberties: the freedoms of the individual.


Second: the commandments. Sigh - such a flawed document to come from a supposedly perfect supernatural being.

First four commandments are all about jealousy - god even admits it. Such a petty and mean emotion from the big fellow.

First comm: why does he have to say who he is? Shouldn't it be obvious - I mean he made all the stuff in the universe, didn't he? So, a self-evident truth as the first big rule...

Second comm: he admits there are other gods. "...no other gods before me." Sooo Yaweh, you're not alone up there in that penthouse suite? Please tell me you're up there with that Hindu god with all those breasts. . .

Third: I don't know if this is about images of god or art in general - but the big fella (I'll explain why god has to have a willie in a bit) hates art. Exodus, it's art in general; Deut, well it could be limited to statuary. Hey Deut - I sympathize; I've never understood post-modern sculpture either.

Fourth: there will be no court of appeals to using god's name in vain - hell forever. Yeah, that sounds fair.

Fifth makes sense unless your parents do something nutty or kooky like put cigarettes out on you, or pimp you out or lock you in the basement or don't feed you or. . .you get the idea.

You shall not murder. Hmmm, nope. Big problem with that one. Someone is about to do harm, maybe fatal harm to another. I have a baseball bat and I smash that bad person's head in. Yup, I murdered them - I killed them on purpose. And I'd know I did the right thing.

You shall not commit adultery. Oh, so this is where all that body hating thing came about in Catholicism! Ok, I've never been unfaithful but I just don't see it as more important than oh, don't rape, for example (more on this later). So, no problem with it but it seems a little unimportant to be here. Oh wait - christians count unmarried sex as fornicaing; is it also adultery? What if I'm single and a married woman wants to hump me? I know that makes me a cuckholder - am I also an adulterer?

You shall not steal. No way to this! I'm poor and starving: I steal a loaf of bread. I did exactly the right thing, Les Miserables notwithstanding. So far this "perfect god" seems pretty screwed up.

False witness. Ok, this one is cool - but the Code of Hammurabi covered that hundreds of years earlier. But I do like that one. Except. . .oh darn, here's the problem: Nazis at the door and they ask if the neighbours are harbouring any Jews. I know they are - but I lie about my neighbours and say no, they aren't. I go to hell, my neighbour goes to heaven. Seems a little screwy.

Not coveting: this covers two commandments, depending on your particular flavour of christianity. I dig it, but why not turn it around: if you are really rich and your neighbour is poor, share your wealth. By the way, do I really have a choice about what I want? I mean, either I find my neighbour's wife hot, or I don't - there's no choice about that. But acting on those desires, that is my choice. How about not stealing that which I covet? Oh, yeah - already covered that one.

Also, why is it thy neighbour's wife? Seems a little sexist to speak of women as less than full people, as property, along with the house and the ass.


What is missing from the Big Ten Rules:

Slavery. As in it is wrong, so don't own people. Unfortunately the Old Testes advocate slave ownership, even lays out the rules for how to keep a human pet.

Rape. See, now, this omission really pisses me off. And sorry guys, but only the gender with the power would leave that off the list - and the guys had the power. So this is why god ain't got a vagina. Actually, rape is also advocated in the book.

Incest: this is sorta like rape, but sorta not. See, a brother and a sister could be sane and healthy and in their thirties and really honestly wanna do it with each other, but it still results in massive deformities and retardations. And fundamentalists. Oh, yeah, incest is also acceptable in the bible. My, my, my - what a wicked document we call "the good book."

The Golden Rule: treat others as you wish them to treat you. Not a perfect idea (especially if you neighbour is a masochist and you're not), but a pretty good place to start.

And that's why this anarchist hates the ten suggestions.

I trust I have now thoroughly ticked everyone off.


Pangloss
 
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Pangloss

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The republican party is mostly rich people. No wonder they pray:
Matthew 19:30 But many will be Last who are First; and First who are Last.
Mark 10:31 But many who are First will be Last; and the Last First."


http://www.sabbatarian.com/Content/FirstAndLast.html


Dude, lay off the king sized fonts - you'll wake my neighbours.

Pangloss
 

karrie

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Rape. See, now, this omission really pisses me off. And sorry guys, but only the gender with the power would leave that off the list - and the guys had the power. So this is why god ain't got a vagina. Actually, rape is also advocated in the book.

Incest: this is sorta like rape, but sorta not. See, a brother and a sister could be sane and healthy and in their thirties and really honestly wanna do it with each other, but it still results in massive deformities and retardations. And fundamentalists. Oh, yeah, incest is also acceptable in the bible. My, my, my - what a wicked document we call "the good book."

The Golden Rule: treat others as you wish them to treat you. Not a perfect idea (especially if you neighbour is a masochist and you're not), but a pretty good place to start.

And that's why this anarchist hates the ten suggestions.

I trust I have now thoroughly ticked everyone off.


Pangloss

You know, the priests I've spoken with (I think I drive most priests nuts) classify all sex outside of marriage as adultery. Thus, rape, incest, all that, qualifies under the 'no adultery' rule.
 

Pangloss

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You know, the priests I've spoken with (I think I drive most priests nuts) classify all sex outside of marriage as adultery. Thus, rape, incest, all that, qualifies under the 'no adultery' rule.

Sorry Karrie:

I have no doubt the priests say that.

Too bad their book not only doesn't say that, it advocates the opposite. You write like one of the faithful (if I may presume), so I am sure you are familiar with the passages telling soldiers to take women as their wives from the cities they have just defeated in war - that would be rape and enslavement, if not also kidnapping. Incest - wasn't it Job whose daughters got him drunk and then took turns with him so they could get pregnant by their dad? That would be both rape and incest. And really, really creepy. God didn't punish them.

You mention nothing about slavery. Do your priests disagree with their infallible book on the subject of owning another human being?

Your priests can say anything they want - that does not make it the same as what that book has in it.

Pangloss
 

karrie

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You write like one of the faithful (if I may presume),

Hmmm... you may presume that I'm spiritual.

But, many priests would not call me one of the faithful, no. I question too much. I doubt the interpretations and translations of inherantly flawed humans too much.
 

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But Karrie, I still must ask: aren't rape, slavery and incest bad enough to warrant their own commandments?

Pangloss

The problem is it takes a long time to write things down on stone. That and 10 things was probably considered enough for people to remember.
 

karrie

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But Karrie, I still must ask: aren't rape, slavery and incest bad enough to warrant their own commandments?

Pangloss

As I said Pangloss.... I doubt the translations and interpretations of humans. All I said was that your thinking on the issue of rape and incest would be covered by the church under the commandment dealing with adultery. Do I think there should have been a commandment against slavery? yes. There also should have been one against child labor. One against beating your wife. There are many many many issues the tablets could have covered. But what is the right number? What is too much? What boils it down easily? Which commandments cover other bases... I'm pretty sure that not covetting your neighbors wife, probably includes enslaving her.
 

Pangloss

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Karrie:

I fear you are still missing the point: the ten commandments are a flawed set of rules. Regardless of what the priests say. The book is supposed to be infallible, the word of god, and all that hokum. I will repeat myself for anyone who did not notice what I wrote in the first place:

The christian bible either condones or advocates three things: rape, slavery and incest. If the 10 big rules were to have any validity, I would imagine these three would have to be there.

The priests and the "church" can say anything they want: if christians living today say rape slavery and incest are wrong, then they are directly contradicting their own bible. End of story.

This isn't opinion, it is fact.

Pangloss
 

s243a

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The christian bible either condones or advocates three things: rape, slavery and incest. If the 10 big rules were to have any validity, I would imagine these three would have to be there.

Without insets how would Adam and eve have children?