Why leaving Canada makes sense for Alberta, and U.S. would likely welcome a new state

Serryah

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Much to the chagrin of America! Seems the Congress doesn't have to work with anyone and would rather chase their tails then actually govern! WOW - what a system. I'm so glad they have the America's best interest at heart! Seriously, I do.


But you can't actually tell me that the Democrats (if they win in 2020) will be better for America than Trump - seriously? I know people hate the man, but he has accomplished more in the past few years than anyone previously - which surprised the hell out of me!! I wasn't a Trump fan myself initially.


As for when the Republicans had control of both chambers of Congress, Trump erred in that he should have done some things sooner but I'm thinking it quickly learned, the hard way, that when people hate you, doesn't matter what you do well, there are those who will never be happy with your success.


I am also of the belief that when taxes are lower, businesses invest, government coffers usually rise, and people have the money to spend and pay their taxes. However, government needs to use the extra cash to pay down the deficit and debt. All parties have contributed to the deficit and debt and need to be held accountable. The Democrats, if you believe what they are proposing, will certainly add to both if they're elected. Given time, hopefully Trumps cuts will bear fruition.


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Yep.


Keep your head in the sand.



Be Blissful!
 
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Serryah said:
And yet I didn't say Obama's White House was scandal free, but that compared to Trump, there IS no comparing the two White Houses.


As for Biden and his son - following the Republican talking point instead of truth doesn't help you.


Proof that Obama used the IRS to go after people, please, cause this is the first I've heard of it.


I think the only head in the sand person is you, and your blatant ignorance to anything wrong that Trump has done and the "Whataboutism" to compare Trump and Obama.
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Don't kid yourself, Dixie is one of the most intelligent and sensible posters on the forum!
 
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No, I'm not. Apparently though, you are.


Right off the top of my head I remember Bengazi (sp) and Fast & Furious, Hillary Clinton's as Sec. State and emails - whether you believe she did anything illegal or not, that was a scandal and I knew it was bad when I heard the DOJ turd state that while what she did was not cool, there was no law broken and absolved her of any wrong dong -of which he didn't have the ability to absolve anyone - and now things are coming out that people didn't even know about - Biden & his Son re Ukraine & China, Obama using the IRS to go after journalists and people who didn't agree with him - oh yeah! There were lots of scandals under Obama. You just need to google and to find them. Talk about head in the sand guy!!


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The DEFINING MOMENT of the Obama presidency came



early on - after professor Gates- the author of "The Classic



Slave Narratives" was arrested for trying to break into his own house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And IDIOT Obama acted as if the COPS WERE IN THE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






I stand by my assertion that too many black people simply do not know how to deal with cops. The best example is that of professor Gates- the black guy who got arrested early in the first term of Barak Obama. There was a big fuss and to quell the complaints, Obama invited the cop and Gates to the White House to make peace and smooth things over and sadly Obama did NEITHER! He simply PROVED that black people- even a President- don’t understand their civil rights and obligations!

Consider: Gates is wealthy and a little famous. He is the author of “The Classic Slave Narratives”- a book documenting the life of some slaves living in the American South. The book was well researched and well received. Gates was already a history professor at some well known university and lived in an upscale neighbourhood someplace outside Washington DC. It is one of those neighbourhoods with houses set well back from the road and with lots of high hedges and such. The sort of place where few people apparently know their neighbours.

One weekday morning, Gates was working from home and went out at mid morning to collect his mail. A random gust of wind blew his front door shut and it locked and there he was on the doorstep with no keys. And there was nobody home- wife gone for the day, kids in school etc.

So a very angry and frustrated Gates starts circling the house, looking for a way in. Maybe a window lock he can force open , a back door carelessly left unlocked. But there is nothing to be seen and he ends up back at the front door. Gates does not know that a near sighted neighbor has been watching him and does not recognize him as her neighbor. All the old girl can see is some guy trying to break into the house- and that IS what Gates is trying to do! So she phones the cops and reports a prowler and a cruiser with 2 cops arrives at the scene.

The 2 cops immediately spot the `prowler` trying to jimmy open the front door and they approach and ask the usual questions: “who are you” ; “where do you live” ; “why are you trying to break into this house”; show us ID”? Obvious questions of a SPECIFIED legal sort!

And Gates, being an angry black guy- and yeah, being locked out of your own house will provoke a guy- with lots of book learning and NO street smarts at all answers back unwisely! Any white guy in such a situation is smart enough to know that an answer such as : mind your own `fcuking` business will not fly! But that is Gates response and he sticks to it! Because of course the cops ARE taking care of business. They have a prowler on their hands and are LEGALLY required to get an explanation- its their JOB to protect people and property!

So they end up getting uncooperative Gates in handcuffs and search him and he has no ID on him and no way to get into the house to retrieve it and prove that he has a right to fiddle with his door locks if it suits him. And the cops cannot simply let Gates go because he WAS CAUGHT red handed trying to break into a house and has offered no explanation and no identification- he has only been loud mouthed and obnoxious! So Gates gets a free ride down to the local station and is held there till he can be identified and then released once he can prove that the whole mess is a screwup brought on by a random gust of wind and his own BIG MOUTH stupidity!

If Gates had immediately told the cops who he was and that he had locked himself out, the cops could have maybe looked up his drivers license, credit cards or other documents and maybe got some proof of identity that way and it would have simplified things. But with Gates being a belligerent and uncooperative prick telling cops nothing, he made the cops do things the hard way. The cops cannot simply let the un-identified prowler/suspect go just because HE demands it! And some knuckleheads want to call this an act of police bigotry? HAHAHAHAHA!

Then, to make matters worse, the numbskull Obama has to get involved and act as if it is the cops who have screwed up by arresting a prowler! The cops caught a prowler red handed, one who refused to identify himself and was belligerent and refused to even give his name. Those cops did not know or care whose property they were defending- they were focused only on the attempted break in. Gates got exactly the same treatment as any other suspected felon and ought to be grateful the cops are doing their duty in guarding HIS property! Though cops may not be so quick to rush to that property to answer any future calls since the owner is such a troublesome jackass!

Gates was the author of his own misfortune and for him or Obama to say otherwise is clear proof that too many black people do not understand their rights and civil obligations!
 
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Serryah said:
And yet I didn't say Obama's White House was scandal free, but that compared to Trump, there IS no comparing the two White Houses.


As for Biden and his son - following the Republican talking point instead of truth doesn't help you.


Proof that Obama used the IRS to go after people, please, cause this is the first I've heard of it.


I think the only head in the sand person is you, and your blatant ignorance to anything wrong that Trump has done and the "Whataboutism" to compare Trump and Obama.
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https://dailycaller.com/2013/05/26/...other-case-of-obama-administration-targeting/
 
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Forget Greenland — Trump should offer statehood to these Canadian provinces

President Trump's offer to purchase Greenland from Denmark was front-page news in August, but a better option for expanding the country's geographic footprint would be to offer statehood to the Canadian provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, as well as the interior of British Columbia.
After the final results of the recent Canadian election, there's likely a growing group of Western Canadians who might seriously consider that offer.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau just squeaked through the Canadian federal election with a minority government. So, with the help of the New Democratic Party, or NDP, and the Canadian Green Party, he still has the votes in Parliament to impose his carbon tax on the nation. That plan holds the power to cripple the economies of the Western provinces, all of which rely heavily on energy-intensive industries such as oil and natural gas, mining, forestry and agriculture.
With their livelihoods at stake, many Western Canadians may be wondering whether they even belong in Canada anymore. Their concerns are based in the West's well-established distrust of Eastern politicians who claim the right to oversee the development and disposition of Western natural resources. This time, Western separatism comes with the handy hashtag, #Wexit.
If these provinces did seriously push for separation, and they were willing to entertain the invite, the United States would be smart to welcome them with open arms. We'd surely benefit by adding these four stars to the U.S. flag.
That's because the interior of British Columbia and the province of Alberta exhibit the same rough-and-rugged individualism that is found in Montana. Both areas have their roots in mining, forestry, oil and gas and ranching, and they recognize the value of wisely using resources as the engine to drive a strong economy.
A little further east, Saskatchewan and Manitoba have the strong, independent mindset of those in the Great Plains states. Their people, who can withstand the blistering prairie winters, are the ones who produce much of the grains and livestock that feed the rest of the nation.
The United States already is the largest producer of oil and natural gas in the world, but with Alberta, Saskatchewan and northern British Columbia in the fold, we would be completely dominant.
Western Canadians also would benefit greatly from becoming states. In this case, they would be freed from the constraints of Trudeau's carbon tax as well as the need for the U.S. State Department to authorize oil pipelines to their major customers.
Currently, any pipeline that crosses the U.S. border needs State Department approval. But the Obama administration abused that authority by endlessly delaying the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline from Western Canada.
Removing this regulatory roadblock would be a boon to the energy industry and a significant economic boost to Western Canadian families, who likely feel unappreciated and abused by politicians in Eastern Canada.
The distrust for Eastern political gamesmanship dates back decades, and flourished when Justin Trudeau's father, Pierre Trudeau, was prime minister. During his tenure, he imposed policies such as the National Energy Program on the Western provinces, firmly placing the Canadian federal government, with its power centers in Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal, in control of Alberta's oil resources.
This law not only seized control of the industry, it also forced the oil-rich province to share its oil revenues with the rest of the country in a form of equalization payment. That program effectively cemented the view among many Western Canadians that their provincial natural resources were expected to serve as the funding source for Eastern Canadian politicians' grandiose schemes.
Of course, offering statehood is a bit of a stretch. Western Canadian separatism has been bubbling under the surface for decades and hasn't been acted on before. But many in the U.S. recognize that the Western provinces are far more than just cash cows for Ottawa's social welfare and environmental schemes. Urban Canadian areas would do well to do the same.
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Source: The Hill

The US media is starting to weigh in the discussion
 
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Encana doesn’t want to be Canadian anymore, and Trudeau shrugs

In Alberta, painfully symbolic moves just keep piling up. Resource giant Encana’s decision to rebrand itself as the bewilderingly awkward Ovintiv makes it the second iconic company this year to remove the “Canada” component of its name, after pipeline firm TransCanada became TC Energy. A Bloomberg headline observed: “‘Canada’ is becoming a dirty word in the oil patch”—and don’t companies pursuing growth or seeking investment dollars know it. Encana’s further announcement it will decamp from Calgary to a U.S. headquarters makes it just the latest big energy player to shift away from Alberta. But in the province, this move feels more like a kick in the teeth than most have, coming from the once- (and in some quarters still-) iconic Canadian company, which built Calgary’s gleaming Bow Tower, and a decade ago was the country’s largest company by market capitalization—even mightier than the big banks—before fading from prominence amid many transformation attempts.
It was the first major howl of pain to ring out from Alberta since, well, last week’s federal election—the one that seemed to affirm that Justin Trudeau and the Liberals need be more responsive to to the troubles and anxieties in the oil-producing Prairie provinces. Which made Encana-gone-Ovintiv’s announcement the first post-election test for Trudeau. And his team blew it...…………..More
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"Trump should offer statehood to these Canadian provinces"
Phuck dat. America under Trump acquires BC and we're moving to South Am. I really really doubt Canada will split up, though
 
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AnnaEmber said:
"Trump should offer statehood to these Canadian provinces"
Phuck dat. America under Trump acquires BC and we're moving to South Am. I really really doubt Canada will split up, though
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Have a nice trip .Albertan anger at Canada is not going anywhere soon . Separatist sentiment is at its strongest ever , and people are actually organizing toward that end . This is not going away .
 
JLM

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pgs said:
Have a nice trip .Albertan anger at Canada is not going anywhere soon . Separatist sentiment is at its strongest ever , and people are actually organizing toward that end . This is not going away .
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Sure hope you're wrong pgs! I think when the dust settles sentiments will change. Easier to get rid of one incompetent leader than to switch countries.
 
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