why is Canada growing its own extremists?

[Said1]

Re: RE: why is Canada growing its own extremists?

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I was joking, giving up liberty for more control, is what governeement/coorporations wants, just common sense, read on stallin, hitler, all dictators, rome empire, it is all there.

Could you just give me the Cliff notes? I hate to read about history and stuff and junk.

And what is the point of this?

I-t w-a-s a j-o-k-e.

Before harper, we were on a peacekeeping mission, which i still didnt support at all, and since harper is in power, we are on offensive mission, quite different, which i really strongly d'ont support.

I don't recall it being offically called a peacekeeping mission. It seemed as though the term was used in the media, but not by officials. I could be wrong though, it happens.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: why is Canada growing its own extremists?

Before harper, we were on a peacekeeping mission, which i still didnt support at all, and since harper is in power, we are on offensive mission, quite different, which i really strongly d'ont support.

This is baloney.

The mission we are on in Afghanistan was put into place in full by the Liberal government without so much as a "take note" debate. Harper did not change the size nor the nature of the commitment in the slightest.......he merely extended it.

Check your facts Aeon.

True, i was wrong, thankx for reminding me.However, i dont support this mission since the begining.

 

[dekhqonbacha]

I guess those "homegrown" terrorists are from poor families.
It's just my opinion. I don't have any proof to it.

 

[EagleSmack]

Canada has some real soul searching to do.

No matter how much they try to separate themselves from the US it is clear that these types of muslims think Canada is a enemy regardless of what they do.

Terrorism has come to Canada whether you like it or not.

Terrorism has come to Canada whether you want to believe it or not.

 

[dekhqonbacha]

then we should leave Canada?

 

[proudpegger]

Re: RE: why is Canada growing its own extremists?

National post, should only be considered as part of a tv shows"" Just for laugh"

2nd that.

They lost all credibility a short time ago:
http://allpoliticsnow.com/content/view/17/1/

 

[nelk]

The original poster presented a question; a good one as events demonstrates.

So please guys use your brain to focus on the question.

Many times hard facts are being presented by interesting posters here.
Thanks to them.

Unfortunately many threads spin out of focus too quickly.

This is an extreme important topic; ignoring, Uncle Sam bashing and stubborn denials of events and desire to bury head in sand don’t work. Extending some youthful
unseasoned opinions into never ending ping pong of gone astray brainwaves are not helpful either.

Let’s come back to the question without name calling and personal attacks.

Yes Canada is growing its own terrorists, and most citizens don’t even realize it.

But how, why, why us ????

We all live on the same planet, all feature same makeup and have all similar desires and goals to live our lives. But do we really?

May be our system of freedom, liberty and democracy is not workable; well we all now it is flawed in too many aspects. Look around in the Western societies you can find all kind of social ills and flaws.

We are far from perfect but projecting our lifestyle to the rest of the world, and being viewed with envy and disgust at the same time.

Besides the fact that this lifestyle is not sustainable, many economic forces demand growth, leading to the mad desire to increase ones population beyond what is decent and manageable. A rat race no receiving nation can win.

Sources of these population shifts are more often than not “failed states”.
I dare to think here that problems are carried right along with this kind of population shift.

Now enter our “holy” constitution whereby rights are bestowed not on merit and personal effort but on being “human”.
Wow if we were all perfect that’s a plan.
But the deep engrained attitudes carried by some newcomers find a vacuum of “tolerance” in our western parts only matched by our inability to recognise and foresee
the obvious.
Superimpose all our “neo liberal social” accomplishments and you have a potent
Mixture to blow up in our face….literally.

I am not surprised at all; expect an escalation of things to come…….and Canadians surprised what will hit them.

The “liberal” attitude, not just the Liberals has given us sweet comatose dreams now to be morphed into nightmares.

Yes there are still those who pretend this is a dream not reality.

 

[Karlin]

Maybe the Afghan relations have told them just how cynical they are about Canada's invasion /occupation of that land.
They may have used these "Top Ten Afghan Facts the Media Ignored" :

TEN VERIFIABLE FACTS

Brief Overview:
FACT #1: Jean Chretien & Canadian Corporations Involved in Trans-Afghan Pipeline

FACT #2: Gordon O'Connor, Defence Minister, Is Former Military Lobbyist

FACT #3: Current Afghan Parliament Includes Warlords and Drug Lords

FACT #4: Afghan Warlords Considered Bigger Threat Than Taliban

FACT #5: Afghan Women Face Repression Despite Removal Of Taliban

FACT #6: Elected Afghan Woman Faces Death Threats For Speaking Out

FACT #7: Since the U.S.-led War, Afghanistan Is Increasingly Hooked on Heroin

FACT #8: U.S. And Coalition Forces Using Excessive Force & Arbitrary Detention

FACT #9: Canada Complicit In Violation of Human Rights For 'War On Terror'

FACT #10: U.S. Finds More Oil and Gas Reserves After 4-Year Search

file:///C:/view_forum.php?id=66
[ I am not sure about this link, but if it works right there is a lot of details for each point given.] Remind me if it isn't working , and you want to read it.

 

[Jersay]

You know it is funny all the little conservatives jump on the boat and say 'ha,' multiculturalism isn't working at this and we have to look at this and that and blah, blah blah, which just means, we want to cut immigration down, or weed out all those people who have a different religion, possibly, or maybe a different coloured, skin or just let in people we can trust.

 

[Colpy]

You know it is funny all the little conservatives jump on the boat and say 'ha,' multiculturalism isn't working at this and we have to look at this and that and blah, blah blah, which just means, we want to cut immigration down, or weed out all those people who have a different religion, possibly, or maybe a different coloured, skin or just let in people we can trust.

You know it is funny : all the little socialists when faced with completely logical arguments are reduced to crying "racist" or "bigot" or (their favourite) "fascist".

Perhaps that is because the belief in the religion of true socialism is centred in the heart, not the head.

Logic doesn't appeal to them.

 

[Jersay]

I didn't call anyone racist. I called them anti-multicultural.

Hey, and Colpy, you can lead with your head all you want. But if your heart is not in the issues you fight for, then it is a hollow victory.

 

[Colpy]

I didn't call anyone racist. I called them anti-multicultural.

Hey, and Colpy, you can lead with your head all you want. But if your heart is not in the issues you fight for, then it is a hollow victory.

True, you didn't call anyone racist. Sorry, I went off half-cocked.

Edited to say: I'm tired, on a re-read of your post, you sure hinted at racism.........

 

[Jersay]

I admit at anti-multiculturalism, but no I wasn't thinking at all about racism.

 

[the caracal kid]

Re: RE: why is Canada growing its own extremists?

Okay........why is Canada growing its own extremists?

Because we don't screen our immigrants well enough.

Because we allow radical Muslim clerics to preach hatred without penalty.

Because we harbour terrorists like the Khadr family, and coddle them.

Because even after a terrorist act (Air India), when it is known the suspected perpetrators belonged to a terrorist organization, (Khalsa Babbar) we fail to throw them out of the country.

In a nutshell? Because Canadians have swallowed whole the idiot philosophy of multiculturalism......that all cultures are equal in value.....which, of course, simply devalues our own culture to the point we no longer know what our culture is......

I welcome immigration, I don't care whether you are black, yellow, or green with magenta stripes. I also don't give a damn if you are Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, or worship Tickle Me Elmo.

What I DO care about is what you believe politically, i.e., do you believe in freedom of speech? Do you buy into the democratic, free culture that has developed in the west over the last 1000 years? Can you tolerate other races, other religions, other practises that may be the antitheses of your old cultural norms? Have you left your old wars behind you?

In other words, do you want to be a Canadian, or do you want to be something else simply using Canada as a safe refuge for you to realize your economic or political goals?

Damn it, you'd best want to be CANADIAN, or get the hell out of my country!

now colpy,
don't be looking for an excuse
and don't be trying to blame multiculturalism,
or claim a monoculture would provide some panacea.

It isn't so simple as "old wars left behind",
but more about new wars created within.

 

[vulpine]

kay........why is Canada growing its own extremists?

Because we don't screen our immigrants well enough.

Because we allow radical Muslim clerics to preach hatred without penalty.

Because we harbour terrorists like the Khadr family, and coddle them.

Because even after a terrorist act (Air India), when it is known the suspected perpetrators belonged to a terrorist organization, (Khalsa Babbar) we fail to throw them out of the country.

In a nutshell? Because Canadians have swallowed whole the idiot philosophy of multiculturalism......that all cultures are equal in value.....which, of course, simply devalues our own culture to the point we no longer know what our culture is......

I welcome immigration, I don't care whether you are black, yellow, or green with magenta stripes. I also don't give a damn if you are Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, or worship Tickle Me Elmo.

What I DO care about is what you believe politically, i.e., do you believe in freedom of speech? Do you buy into the democratic, free culture that has developed in the west over the last 1000 years? Can you tolerate other races, other religions, other practises that may be the antitheses of your old cultural norms? Have you left your old wars behind you?

In other words, do you want to be a Canadian, or do you want to be something else simply using Canada as a safe refuge for you to realize your economic or political goals?

Damn it, you'd best want to be CANADIAN, or get the hell out of my country!

I don't understand you. You make out to say that multiculturalism is such an idiotic thing, yet you believe our immigration screening should be based on whether or not people can tolerate other cultures, races and religions? You imply this is what it means to be Canadian, which I totally agree with, but everything else you say is contrary to this. The very idea that all cultures are not equal and that mixing your culture with others will degrade your culture is EXACTLY the ideology that causes extremists, can't you see that? People become so strongly convinced that their culture is being destroyed by others that they'll go as far as to resort to terrorsism to stop it. You preach a lot of rhetoric against extremists, yet here you are, a shining example of what makes an extremist

 

[dekhqonbacha]

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The very idea that all cultures are not equal and that mixing your culture with others will degrade your culture is EXACTLY the ideology that causes extremists, can't you see that?
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No I don't see it that way. The only way for other cultures to mix is to immigrate. When they come to Canada or USA or other countires they mix with other cultures. But they must be prepared for this.

All other cultures who live in their homeland they don't face this problem because they are majority.

 

[vulpine]

No I don't see it that way. The only way for other cultures to mix is to immigrate. When they come to Canada or USA or other countires they mix with other cultures. But they must be prepared for this.

All other cultures who live in their homeland they don't face this problem because they are majority.

okay. i'm not sure what your point is supposed to be but here goes
1. immigation is not the only way, different cultures, even dramatically opposed cultures, have been living side by side for centuries
2. I didn't specificly mention any countries at all, I said that the idea that cultures are not equal and other cultures degrade your culture is was causes extremists and these cultures in their homeland that supposedly breed many extremists, how do you think they are breed, because they are preached an ideology with purports that not all cultures are eqaul and other cultures degrade their culture so these cultures most be stopped

THUS the idea of not all cultures being eqaul is what causes extremists

3. your post still doesn't answer the question of homegrown extremists.

 

[dekhqonbacha]

if

dramatically opposed cultures, have been living side by side for centuries

why should their culture degrade in 2006?

 

[sanch]

Vulpine I noticed your post on capital punishment and I agree with you. But I also recognize that this position against capital punishment is an example of cultural imperialism in that you are imposing your world view on others such as Muslims who follow Sharia and thus demand an eye for an eye and life for a life.

You are in essence saying the Canadian way is better than that which is practised in Saudi Arabia where murderers are beheaded.

I guess I am having difficulty seeing how holding a view against capital punishment should foster extremism in Muslims who would prefer capital punishment, a practise that is central to their cultural and religious identity.

Perhaps there are other reasons for the extremism which we have not discussed yet.

 

[vulpine]

there ARE exremists in saudia arabia though isn't there, wasn't a amjority of the 9/11 bombers from saudia arabia? It's all a matter of whether or not people choose to interprete a culture who doesn't pratice capital punishment as being a culture that will degrade their own culture. I personally disagree with capital punishment and therefore live in a country that doesnt practice it, other cultures are welcome to practice their culture here as long as it doesn't impede on the very small part of out culture that is set out in laws, the same way as i wouldn't move to saudi arabia and expect them to stop capital punishment. its all about an environment in which people should expect the basic tenant of all cultures to be mutually respected and in a climate of respect, hopfully compromises can de made when there is dispute. my problem with the post i orginally quoted was that he blew off multiculturalism as something that degrades his own culture while sounding of on extremists, and i was saying that his own point of view is what causes extremists in the first place