why is Canada growing its own extremists?

[Karlin]

Re: RE: why is Canada growing its own extremists?

The question people need to ask is that if a war like Iraq and Afghanistan, conducted by the USA was done on another country with a different ethnic makeup, and Canada was involved with our side of things, would we breed radicals in this other ethnic group?

With Iraq and Afghanistan, we further compound it by an association of religion. Something which on a very sensitive level becomes a war on a person’s belief system.

You just have think of the extreme actions that the USA has done on such people. People living within their own countries. They’ve tortured, massacred, leveled villages/cities, reduced their quality of life, security, dignity, stripped them of their own control to genuinely govern independently, etc. People have lost their fathers, their mothers, their children, all on lies by an invading aggressor.

K - In an interview today on CBC TV, young Muslim girls from schools like the alleged bombers from Toronto attended, were asked why their peers would do this, how they could become terrorists read to attack Canada.

They said [not exact quote] -
We keep hearing stories of Muslims being killed in every part of the world, and so it is from that where these students in Canada got the fuel for extremism, thats what the recruiters use to convince them that they are being marginalised in the world" ; "that this is why there is alienation amongst Canadian Muslims"

K - I think I can relate to that. Have you ever been on the outside, due to your beliefs and that differ from mainstream, the majority, of opinions, of a group, of a nation, of a religion?

It leaves you with that feeling of "alienation", and other emotions that can become very powerfull when backed up by deadly horrific images and lost relatives.

For comparison, pretend you are a member of a specific religion, and ask yourself how you would feel if America was attacking the land where that religion started, and where you ancestors are from, on tha basis that those people are dangerous [yet, you are one of them and you are not dangerous].

Well, thats not a brilliant analogy, but I hope you get the point.

There is a concept called "infinate compassion", where we try to understand what issues and forces the person in question is dealing with. Until this level of understanding is used, we cannot possibly reach a peacefull plateau in any conflict.

Also, this whole situation of Muslims from oil-rich nations becoming violent after ugly illegal invasions and occupations of their homelands can be seen in the lgiht of CTP-OTS:
" Create the Problem, and then offer the solution", where America creates the problem of violent Muslims by commiting crimes against Muslims, and then offers the solution, which is killing them and arresting them, and occupying Arab nations under USA military control.

PS - Canada should not be involved in this at all, we must try to distance ourselves from the USA' military solutions or we will, ARE, being dragged into it, [unwittingly as our citizens are concerned].

 

[DurkaDurka]

RE: why is Canada growing

Why should we try to understand these "issues" and "forces"? If they choose to adopt these types of beliefs & actions, they are Crininals and will be dealt with as such.

 

[Vicious]

RE: why is Canada growing

One thing I don't understand about immigrants (but I'm sure you fine folks will fill me in) is how you choose a particular country to go to. Your country is the one you know, the one you feel comforatble in and you gotta leave because of civil war or something else. You look around the globe and choose Canada, why? It's easy to get into and you'll go anywhere to get away from your local trouble? It's easy (easier than europe, US, Australia, South America) because of the immigration system. You know some people there? Why? Is it because Canada allows you to isolate yourself in an ethnic enclave so that you won't have to change?

 

[FiveParadox]

RE: Vicious • Immigration

Your post sounds sort of accusatory, or hostile toward immigrants, Vicious.

I would suggest to you that immigrants would come to Canada due to our democratic history, the nature in which the Government of Canada provides its people with the necessities of life (wherever it can), and Canada's reputation abroad for being a good nation, through and through.

 

[dekhqonbacha]

Re: RE: why is Canada growing

One thing I don't understand about immigrants (but I'm sure you fine folks will fill me in) is how you choose a particular country to go to. Your country is the one you know, the one you feel comforatble in and you gotta leave because of civil war or something else. You look around the globe and choose Canada, why? It's easy to get into and you'll go anywhere to get away from your local trouble? It's easy (easier than europe, US, Australia, South America) because of the immigration system. You know some people there? Why? Is it because Canada allows you to isolate yourself in an ethnic enclave so that you won't have to change?

Wow, wow, wow, wow,

How many people are coming to Canada?
If you look at proportion of people leaving their home countries and choosing Canada, it's a very small amount.

Most of people go to US, and Uerope. Those who cannot, or could not go there, choose Canada as last option. This works with many of them. Of course this is not the case for every immigrant, but it is with most part of them.

 

[Vicious]

Re: RE: Vicious • Immigration

Your post sounds sort of accusatory, or hostile toward immigrants, Vicious.

I would suggest to you that immigrants would come to Canada due to our democratic history, the nature in which the Government of Canada provides its people with the necessities of life (wherever it can), and Canada's reputation abroad for being a good nation, through and through.

I feared that my question would be taken in a negative light. I danced around the words quite a bit to soften it as much as possible. I started with:

If they don't like Western Culture why the hell would they come here?

I thought I'd be called a racist, bigoted, redneck. Thanks for getting the Politically Correct rule book out, and ignoring the intent of the question entirely. In the future I won't try to be so nice.

So, if you were a Somelandian for Someland, and you found yourself in Canada and grew to hate everything Canadian (Tim Hortons, Hockey and Anne Murray) why would you stay instead of returning to the land and culture you prefer?

 

[sanch]

A primary attraction for immigrants to Canada right now is the availability of social networks and family unification. It’s quite hard to get into Canada and the wait time for immigration can be over 5 years.

What perplexes me is why someone who would kill because they are offended by the encroachment of western values and customs in the Middle East would want to live in the west(Canada). On a day to day basis it must be excruciatingly difficult and painful to live in proximity to a culture they detest so much. This would be true for a few posters here as well.

There are plenty of refugees in Africa and impoverished people in Latin America and Asia who would jump at the opportunity to come to Canada and begin a new life. Why not make it easier for them to immigrate to Canada.

 

[dekhqonbacha]

Re: RE: Vicious • Immigration

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So, if you were a Somelandian for Someland, and you found yourself in Canada and grew to hate everything Canadian (Tim Hortons, Hockey and Anne Murray) why would you stay instead of returning to the land and culture you prefer?

I wonder if your expected audience reads your post.

 

[vulpine]

In the former Yugoslavia, Canada and the US came to the aid of the muslim minority that was being cleansed by the serbs. Helping the muslims doesn't seem to have won us any points. However I haven't heard of any Serbian-Canadian terror cells.

Germany and Japan were soundly thumped and nuked. How come they don't hate us?

you're mistake, of course, is that you look at it like Muslims are a nation-state and these extremists are representatives of the government of this nation-state
I'm sure the muslims who were helped in Yugoslavia and their family are eternally gratful for the help.
Unfortunately there are some muslims who are relgious extremists but they are a minority within the muslim community, a rouge gang. like the KKK for instance

oh and there are people in germany and japan who hate us, they're called neo-nazis

 

[kilnerad]

All I can say is that thank god that canada can capture the terrorists before they start blowing up buildings like in the USA. The United States of America is a haven for terrorists!!!

 

[Vicious]

In the former Yugoslavia, Canada and the US came to the aid of the muslim minority that was being cleansed by the serbs. Helping the muslims doesn't seem to have won us any points. However I haven't heard of any Serbian-Canadian terror cells.

Germany and Japan were soundly thumped and nuked. How come they don't hate us?

you're mistake, of course, is that you look at it like Muslims are a nation-state and these extremists are representatives of the government of this nation-state
I'm sure the muslims who were helped in Yugoslavia and their family are eternally gratful for the help.
Unfortunately there are some muslims who are relgious extremists but they are a minority within the muslim community, a rouge gang. like the KKK for instance

oh and there are people in germany and japan who hate us, they're called neo-nazis

A good point. It is too easy to lump individuals and nations into the same category. I'll be more careful in the future.