Why Conservatives Suck!

Walter

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Hey, I'm not one against more options here in Canada, in fact I would like to see more private insurance options available...but Walter is making claims about the US system as a whole, when there is a very clear class effect. The wait times for Medicaid are longer than for some treatment options in Canada. Some Doctors won't even accept Medicaid coverage. Medication is not as accessible for Americans either. It's not a cut and dry claim Walter is making.
Which wait times are longer in the US?
 

Tonington

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Which wait times are longer in the US?
We completed 546 paired calls to 273 specialty clinics and found significant disparities in provider acceptance of Medicaid–CHIP versus private insurance across all tested specialties. Overall, 66% of Medicaid–CHIP callers (179 of 273) were denied an appointment as compared with 11% of privately insured callers (29 of 273) (relative risk, 6.2; 95% confidence interval [CI], 4.3 to 8.8; P<0.001). Among 89 clinics that accepted both insurance types, the average wait time for Medicaid–CHIP enrollees was 22 days longer than that for privately insured children (95% CI, 6.8 to 37.5; P=0.005).

Auditing Access to Specialty Care for Children with Public Insurance

66% denied an appointment. How long of a wait is that if you're denied? The specialties included in the study were for diabetes, asthma, severe fractures, seizures, depression, severe atopic dermatitis, severe depression, obstructive sleep apnea, and chronic bilateral otitis media.

Reaganomics isn't empirical?

It's a proven fact!

Just look at the U.S.


8O The combined Federal and Provincial corporate income tax rate in Ontario in 2005 is 65% of what it was in 1960.
http://www4.agr.gc.ca/AAFC-AAC/display-afficher.do?id=1197301474421&lang=eng
 
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captain morgan

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I was hoping for something more empirical.

It's a variety of factors that also include 'unknowns'.

Access to markets, seeking to sell directly into a domestic market (ie. China), labour, materials and/or the incentives in terms of tax holidays that might be negotiated in the back room.

In the end, what we do know is that there are a multitude of 'western' companies that have made the move for very tangible reasons, tax treatment being one of the factors.


8O The combined Federal and Provincial corporate income tax rate in Ontario in 2005 is 65% of what it was in 1960.
Corporate Income Tax Rate Database - Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada (AAFC)

The world is a very different place today as compared to 1965.... I don't think that the Japanese were evening exporting into North America at that time (any significant trade that is)
 

Tonington

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Any idea why the jobs are going offshore?.. Any clue at all?

Hint: It has to do with my previous post regarding punitive taxes.

Try and put the pieces of the puzzle togther - it ain't hard, there is only 1 piece.

It's a variety of factors that also include 'unknowns'.

Access to markets, seeking to sell directly into a domestic market (ie. China), labour, materials and/or the incentives in terms of tax holidays that might be negotiated in the back room.

In the end, what we do know is that there are a multitude of 'western' companies that have made the move for very tangible reasons, tax treatment being one of the factors.



The world is a very different place today as compared to 1965.... I don't think that the Japanese were evening exporting into North America at that time (any significant trade that is)

Glad to see you recognize there is more than one piece to the puzzle now. The fact is that tax rates have decreased concurrently with a decline in manufacturing.
 

captain morgan

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Glad to see you recognize there is more than one piece to the puzzle now.


Punitive taxes nail all of the elements that I listed.

Payroll taxes, corp taxes, sales-related taxes, etc.. Add in the indirect taxes dealing with licensing, regulatory, etc and that number increases yet again.

The taxation environment, as a whole, is what I was driving at.


The fact is that tax rates have decreased concurrently with a decline in manufacturing.

The question here is why did they decrease?

On that note, the capital investment is not easily moved, especially for high cost ventures like building a plant, etc.. Once that money moves, it will take years and/or dramatic changes to justify that movement again.

The decrease in tax rates (in North America I assume) is changing because the private sector has spoken via actions to move capital, jobs, etc elsewhere.
 

Tonington

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Punitive taxes nail all of the elements that I listed.

What is a non-punative tax rate? The tax rate was dropping...if tax rates were a good predictor of manufacturing production moving then you should have said we would have more production now, not less.
 

captain morgan

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It happens when bridles are removed; the horses not longer serve their purpose.


Hobbling the horse has an even more detrimental effect

What is a non-punative tax rate? The tax rate was dropping...if tax rates were a good predictor of manufacturing production moving then you should have said we would have more production now, not less.


It's a comparative measure.. Case in point, CPR moved their H.O. and 2500 jobs from Montreal to Calgary and the reason that AB was chosen had much to do with the tax enviro being around 1/2 that of Quebec.

In comparison, with respect to the options available, Que's tax environment was punitive relative to AB... Same comparative analysis exists between nations.
 

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This conversation seems to indicate that there is no separation of church and state but that politics is a blend - politics has become a religion to some and the new god is money.