Why College Football Should Be Banned

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I had forgotten about this thread - indeed, football is a wonderful sport which teaches many great lessons to its players and provides great entertainment for its millions of fans. The @#$#@ NCAA profits too much from the game and this is what needs reform - a few rule changes to lessen injuries and more of the share of the $$$ should go to the schools. But let's not ban this wonderful game - no sirree!
 

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College Football is a cash cow for big Div 1 schools. Those schools make a fortune. Conferences and schools keep the lions share of the cash.

Also for the little guys. The big teams pay the little teams big bucks to come to their stadium and be thrashed 98-0. That's what makes what happened a couple of years ago to Michigan so enjoyable. Pay a patsy to come to their stadium but wound up losing to them and single-handedly dashed any hopes of a top 10 finish.

But without that revenue stream, tuition would be higher. It's a nice subsidy.
 

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I had forgotten about this thread - indeed, football is a wonderful sport which teaches many great lessons to its players and provides great entertainment for its millions of fans. The @#$#@ NCAA profits too much from the game and this is what needs reform - a few rule changes to lessen injuries and more of the share of the $$$ should go to the schools. But let's not ban this wonderful game - no sirree!

Nice win for the Gophers today
 

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Nice win for the Gophers today



Yes! All's well in Gopherland - the Little Brown Jug is back home where it belongs:







It is considered sacred here and is part of the great lore of college football.



Gophers 30, Michigan 14: Minnesota ends Little Brown Jug drought - TwinCities.com
 

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Academic Studies should be done away with, have students play various games to
turn pro and make millions that way they don't have to take time to learn or to read
just the game and success everyone can be a pro problem solived
 

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Academic Studies should be done away with, have students play various games to
turn pro and make millions that way they don't have to take time to learn or to read
just the game and success everyone can be a pro problem solived


Yep, that would work excellently....................for a few until they reach age 35! -:)
 

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Also for the little guys. The big teams pay the little teams big bucks to come to their stadium and be thrashed 98-0. That's what makes what happened a couple of years ago to Michigan so enjoyable. Pay a patsy to come to their stadium but wound up losing to them and single-handedly dashed any hopes of a top 10 finish.

But without that revenue stream, tuition would be higher. It's a nice subsidy.


Appalachian State!
 

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I've often wondered why kids in American colleges and universities spend more time playing sport than actual studying.

I'd love to see how they would fare against British students on University Challenge.
 

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Oh and we mustn't forget this gem

We're ahead of you in many things. We just don't go round bragging about our amazing accomplishments, as the greatest nation that has ever existed. Unlike the Yanks, who always go round arrogantly telling everyone how "great" they are.

From this similarly themed thread:

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/international-politics/128293-most-educated-countries-world-3.html

Where the U.K. came in 8th place, well below the U.S.(5th) and Canada (2nd) in education score.
 

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I've often wondered why kids in American colleges and universities spend more time playing sport than actual studying.

I'd love to see how they would fare against British students on University Challenge.


NCAA has strict rules which limit the amount of time students can spend in sports:

20 hours per week during a sport's season

8 hours per week in the off season with limited or no access to coaches during that time
 

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NCAA has strict rules which limit the amount of time students can spend in sports:

20 hours per week during a sport's season

8 hours per week in the off season with limited or no access to coaches during that time

Gopher, he doesn't care. His only interest is trash talk, and really sad trash talk at that. So I would suggest treating him like he treats everyone else.
 

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Well, a little clarification was in order and I thought it would be a good idea to set the record straight.

BTW, listening to local sports radio this morning, all they are talking about is the return of the Little Brown Jug - a HUMONGOUS tradition here in the Twin Cities. Folks are also singing the old song "Little Brown Jug":



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That's the great thing about college sports - historic traditions which never die and never grow old.
 

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I don't agree with that article. It leaves out a lot of relevant points.

That article fails to point out that American universities, like American society in general, has been hugely dumbed down in recent times and riddled with political correctness, in a way that British universities like Oxford and Cambridge aren't.

Exams and coursework at American universities are too easy nowadays - much easier than they are at British universities - thereby making students at US universities appear cleverer than they really are.

That's why American university students find it far tougher to find a good job when they leave school than British university students and, unlike British university students, lack even the basic proper knowledge of the subject they "studied". British university students on University Challenge seem to know the answers to all sorts of difficult questions, yet American students, with their dumbed down education, would struggle.

The article also fails to take into account the huge disparity in size between the US and the UK.

It says that The combined endowments of the three top US universities alone is more than Britain’s entire defence budget, yet fails to point out that the US population is around five time that of Britain and its GDP is six times that of Britain. You cannot use such a fact as "proof" that US universities are better than British ones.

According to the latest OECD figures, the US spends about 3.1% of its income on tertiary education, the UK less than half that. But simple calculations suggest that people in the UK have about TWICE the chance of attending an elite university than people in the US have.

British universities are more egalitarian than their Yank counterparts and they are attracting an ever-increasing number of Yank students.

In 2011, a record 15,555 Yanks pursued full degrees at British universities, an increase of 15.2% on 2009.

In turn, 2012 saw a 10% increase of Yank students at British universities from 2011.

There may be more British students studying at US universities than US students studying at UK universities, but when you take into account that the US has 5,758 universities and the UK has 109 universities than, on a per capita basis, the UK has more American students than the US has British students.


Go Figure: How good are UK universities?


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By Michael Blastland
GO FIGURE - Seeing stats in a different way



How good are UK universities? In his regular column, Michael Blastland says comparison is irresistible. But watch out.

We're bad, they're good, gotta change.

Can't help looking over our shoulders, can we, at the way the rest of the world behaves and performs? Comparison is compulsive.

And so we should. It would be surprising if we had the edge every which way.

But to state the obvious, people are different in different countries because they're different, if you see what I mean. That is, international comparisons are seldom like with like. Some pesky social or cultural difference gets in the way - and one simple metric doesn't show it.

A great example recently - of how obvious, but vital, differences go unnoticed in big debates - was how UK and US universities compare.

The standard story is: not well. US good, UK lagging. And a common metric is that, according to one ranking, the US has 13 universities in the world top 20 to the UK's four.

Writing in the London Review of Books, Howard Hotson picked a couple of differences between the US and the UK like, er… population.



US universities don't fare well against their British counterparts when taking population size into account


Context doesn't come more basic. And it seems the UK is doing better than you would expect for a country of its size compared with the US. Do we expect Lichtenstein to have 13 universities in the world top 20? Basingstoke to have as many football teams in the Premiership as London?

Compare the two countries by how many universities they have in the top 30 instead of the top 20 and the UK looks better still - but not if you look, instead, at the Times Higher Education world university rankings.

Perhaps next most obvious is money. How much do they spend on their universities and what do they get for it? Here's just one way of making that comparison.


The US spends more than the UK on tertiary education, yet people in Britain have almost twice the chance of attending an elite university than their counterparts
in the US

According to the latest OECD figures, the US spends about 3.1% of its income on tertiary education, the UK less than half that. But simple calculations suggest that people in the UK have about twice the chance of attending an elite university.

Convinced that the UK comes out on top after all?

Maybe. But maybe you might also want to ask if a fantastically disproportionate amount of UK spending goes on its top four. That is, you might have the population of Denmark but still manage a university in the top 20 if you throw the Treasury at it and 10p a head at the rest.

So maybe we should compare not total spending but spending per student at the elite institutions.

And it doesn't stop there. We might want to make a distinction between domestic and overseas students, might want to take into account the fact that the US national income is bigger than the UK's,
might want to be sure that charitable giving and endowments are included in the calculation of spending.

And we might want to say that this affects such a small number of people that we just don't care.

The key with international comparisons is not to rest easy. But resting easy is what simple comparisons encourage - and often what people want. Here's a league table, here's a ranking, here's the powerful single number that proves…

My favourite bad example is from an academic who came across data to show that Finland had no escapes from open prisons. This was at a time when the UK was in a tizz about people waltzing out. He later discovered the reason: they didn't classify this as escape in Finland, but "absent without leave".


US universities dominate the top spots in world rankings - but only because the US has a huge population

Or there is the comparison of nurses per head of population, where a figure for UK population was divided by a figure for the number of nurses - obtained from the Department of Health in London. Unfortunately, health is a devolved responsibility, so, at that time, the DoH didn't count the nurses in Scotland.

It's a mildly entertaining game to wonder what stories we would tell to justify the quick but often bad conclusion suggested by a raw number - the policy, social or cultural reasons that explain the apparent Finnish lawfulness, for example - "so much more civilized, those Scandinavians, even in prison" - or the performance of US universities.

The conclusions you draw about university education are your own and won't necessarily be Howard Hotson's. Maybe you will decide that the amount spent on US universities is a consequence of their superior performance - that is, people pay more because they perceive US university education to be better - so spending follows performance rather than causes it.

Maybe you will decide that British universities are better than given credit for. Maybe you will want a lot more data about how they compare further down the league.

Comparisons, especially across borders, are rarely as conclusive as they seem. Howard Hotson's numbers now feel like a "duh" moment. And by that I mean to flatter him. Maybe the conclusion is never to underestimate our ability to overlook the blinkin' obvious in search of a quick answer.

BBC News - Go Figure: How good are UK universities?



http://forums.canadiancontent.net/international-politics/128293-most-educated-countries-world-3.html

Where the U.K. came in 8th place, well below the U.S.(5th) and Canada (2nd) in education score.

You fail to mention that, according to the latest figures, the UK education system is the fifth best in the world and is far superior to that in the US and Canada.
 
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Not surprising, you were educated in the UK.

It's not as if the UK is rated very high in education.

UK 'second best education in Europe'



By Sean Coughlan
BBC News education correspondent
8 May 2014


South Korea is in top place in this global education league table

The UK is in second place among European countries and sixth overall in a global education league table.

South Korea is top, with three other Asian countries and Finland making up the top five, in rankings from education and publishing firm, Pearson.

The rankings include higher education as well as international school tests - which boosted the UK's position.

Pearson chief executive John Fallon highlighted the economic importance of improving education and skills.

These latest international comparisons, compiled for Pearson by the Economist Intelligence Unit, emphasise the success of Asian education systems, with South Korea, Japan, Singapore and Hong Kong in China rated as the highest performing.

But it shows a strong performance from the UK, which is ranked sixth, behind only Finland in Europe and ahead of countries such as Germany, France and the United States.

These rankings are based upon an amalgamation of international tests and education data - including the OECD's Pisa tests, and two major US-based studies, Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study (Timss) and Progress in International Reading Literacy Study (Pirls).

TOP 20 EDUCATION SYSTEMS



  • 1. South Korea
  • 2. Japan
  • 3. Singapore
  • 4. Hong Kong
  • 5. Finland
  • 6. UK
  • 7. Canada
  • 8. Netherlands
  • 9. Ireland
  • 10. Poland
  • 11. Denmark
  • 12. Germany
  • 13. Russia
  • 14. United States
  • 15. Australia
  • 16. New Zealand
  • 17. Israel
  • 18. Belgium
  • 19. Czech Republic
  • 20. Switzerland
Source: Pearson/ Economist Intelligence Unit


BBC News - UK 'second best education in Europe'
 

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UK 'second best education in Europe'

I understand that because you were educated in the UK, you're limited in your abilities, so, I'll help you out here.

Europe, isn't the world.

If you were educated in Canada, or the US, I wouldn't have had to explain that to you.