Why are you against Gay marriage?

[selfactivated]

I saw your railing on Sanctus because he said he wouldn't condone a gay marriage nor wed two people of the same gender.

Did you? Entertaining? Did you also know that churches fund Lobbiest and legislation AGAIST civil marrages? Ever hear a Pope speak on gay unions? Im pretty sure I left a link around here did ya read it? MAYBE just maybe people should just allow others to lead their own lives without seperation or prejudice.

 

[talloola]

How would that be different from gay biological children growing up in conservative Christian households? They grow up to realize that their sexual beliefs don't mesh with those of their parents.

Those children weren't picked out of a "group" and handed to a couple, none of us biological children
have a choice, don't see that as any comparison at all. I was talking about giving a gay couple a child
to adopt. What right has anyone to do that, there should be a choice from the biological parent, or a
biological close relative of the child.

 

[selfactivated]

Those children weren't picked out of a "group" and handed to a couple, none of us biological children
have a choice, don't see that as any comparison at all. I was talking about giving a gay couple a child
to adopt. What right has anyone to do that, there should be a choice from the biological parent, or a
biological close relative of the child.

Your talking about taking a (lets say) small child or a baby and allowing them to be adopted into a homosexual home.

Theres a program, I wish I could remember what its called, that I thought was really smart (inventive) they take homosexual teens and set them in a home with homosexual couples, like foster parenting.

 

[L Gilbert]

Well, biological relatives could also be just as damaging to a kid as adoptive parents.
Now I forgot what I was thinking earlier.
Oh, yeah, even a nice guy like Tensin Gyatso is against homosexuality in general.
These are human beings we're speaking of. There's no more rational grounds to refuse them kids than there is disabled people or dwarved people, it's almost totally due to religious bias. Even the modern philosopher Deepak Chopra thinks religions are outmoded and devisive.

 

[selfactivated]

Well, biological relatives could also be just as damaging to a kid as adoptive parents.
Now I forgot what I was thinking earlier.
Oh, yeah, even a nice guy like Tensin Gyatso is against homosexuality in general.
These are human beings we're speaking of. There's no more rational grounds to refuse them kids than there is disabled people or dwarved people, it's almost totally due to religious bias. Even the modern philosopher Deepak Chopra thinks religions are outmoded and devisive.

I LOVE Deepak........have you read this one?

The seven Spiritual Laws of Success

Sorry I digress....

 

[L Gilbert]

I've just heard the odd interview. He's a good thinker fersher.

 

[talloola]

Your talking about taking a (lets say) small child or a baby and allowing them to be adopted into a homosexual home.

Theres a program, I wish I could remember what its called, that I thought was really smart (inventive) they take homosexual teens and set them in a home with homosexual couples, like foster parenting.

That makes good sense. If I would have had a child who grew up to be homosexual, I would have
loved her/him no different than my other children.
I just feel it isn't fair to "just" place a baby/child into a homosexual home, as noone is even thinking
of the "rights" or a "choice" that should be made for that child. Maybe the "biological" parent should
have to sign a "waiver" to allow that move, so that it is truly legal.
Now the reverse of this would be a adopted baby growing up to be "gay" and the parents deciding to
reject that child for that reason, and I would think there could be a section of the adoption agreement that they have to sign, saying they would completely accept that situation, just like
anything else that could happen to that child along the way.

Example: adoption agency has 5 babies to adopt out, one gay couple waiting for a child, (that is a
different home than the so called "norm",) and I think there should have been some forthought before
the decision is made as to which baby they will give to the "gay" couple. What do you think they do
now, how do they make that decison, I would really like to know.

 

[selfactivated]

That makes good sense. If I would have had a child who grew up to be homosexual, I would have
loved her/him no different than my other children.
I just feel it isn't fair to "just" place a baby/child into a homosexual home, as noone is even thinking
of the "rights" or a "choice" that should be made for that child. Maybe the "biological" parent should
have to sign a "waiver" to allow that move, so that it is truly legal.
Now the reverse of this would be a adopted baby growing up to be "gay" and the parents deciding to
reject that child for that reason, and I would think there could be a section of the adoption agreement that they have to sign, saying they would completely accept that situation, just like
anything else that could happen to that child along the way.

Example: adoption agency has 5 babies to adopt out, one gay couple waiting for a child, (that is a
different home than the so called "norm",) and I think there should have been some forthought before
the decision is made as to which baby they will give to the "gay" couple. What do you think they do
now, how do they make that decison, I would really like to know.

I wasnt aware gay couples COULD adopt legally......can they in Canada?

 

[marygaspe]

I wasnt aware gay couples COULD adopt legally......can they in Canada?

I am afraid they can, and it is shameful.

 

[marygaspe]

I saw your railing on Sanctus because he said he wouldn't condone a gay marriage nor wed two people of the same gender.

Get it right, he also was very clear that even if he wanted to, he couldn't because it would be against the Church's rules. Cathjolic priests, just like any other denomination, have to abide by the rules. If the Church says no homosexual weddings, all of the priests cannot violate that rule.

 

[marygaspe]

What bothers me is when a teacher does NOT speak of it in class, yet parents pull their kids when they find out through gossip that a teacher is gay. My daughter's teacher is a lesbian. My daughter has no idea. And if she did, it would bother me only in the perspective that I would question how it had come up. If my daughter questions what a lesbian is, it's very simple to explain, and as long as a parent educates their child, then there's no reason to worry about it causing any problems for your child. I'd be more upset to realize ten years down the road, that my daughter had skewed ideas regarding homosexuals, because I failed to bring it up and educate her properly on the differences.

I understand what you're saying. I don't know what I'd do in the same situation. We did face this once also, with a teacher everyone thought was a homosexual. To be fair to him, he never said one way or the other, but allot of the parents would not let their sons get involved in one of the extra-curricular sports he coached because of the rumours.

 

[marygaspe]

No teacher has a right to be flagerent about their sexual or religious orientation. I agree. I wont get into the Canadian thing with you because frankly im sick of defending myself. But I would suggest you read the intire thread and see how the conversation flows before you jump on my nationality.

Canada has two school boards, public and catholic. So, in the Catholic schools they are very open about their religious preferences.

 

[Tonington]

That makes good sense. If I would have had a child who grew up to be homosexual, I would have
loved her/him no different than my other children.
I just feel it isn't fair to "just" place a baby/child into a homosexual home, as noone is even thinking
of the "rights" or a "choice" that should be made for that child. Maybe the "biological" parent should
have to sign a "waiver" to allow that move, so that it is truly legal.
Now the reverse of this would be a adopted baby growing up to be "gay" and the parents deciding to
reject that child for that reason, and I would think there could be a section of the adoption agreement that they have to sign, saying they would completely accept that situation, just like
anything else that could happen to that child along the way.

Example: adoption agency has 5 babies to adopt out, one gay couple waiting for a child, (that is a
different home than the so called "norm",) and I think there should have been some forthought before
the decision is made as to which baby they will give to the "gay" couple. What do you think they do
now, how do they make that decison, I would really like to know.

All this conjecture is a flawed exercise though. Children are brought up all the time with no choice whatsoever in the situation they're born into. Adoption is the same thing. You can't presume to know what is best for the child, except to ensure that the parents will be loving and nurturing. Anyone else think the world has enough intolerance as it is? I'm sure that's something high on the list of same sex parents life lessons to teach a kid.

 

[sanctus]

Get it right, he also was very clear that even if he wanted to, he couldn't because it would be against the Church's rules. Cathjolic priests, just like any other denomination, have to abide by the rules. If the Church says no homosexual weddings, all of the priests cannot violate that rule.

True, I did write that. I wrote it because, obviously, it is true. The Church does not condone or support the notion of homosexual "marriages" because it is not Sacramental Marriage as defined in our Tradition or the Scriptures.

And you noted, even if I personally believed in such a thing, I have no authority to perform such a wedding.

 

[Curiosity]

I can't believe that some adults would actually choose to leave a child unadopted rather than placement into a loving home - whether it is a partnership or marriage.

I guess some people have never seen what these "group homes" are like and many children are fostered out to many placements before they finally reach maturation and can fend for themselves.
Think puppy pound.

All children respond to love and make no distinction between heterosexual, homosexual, even retarded, elderly, brain damaged, or physically challenged parenting..... love and belonging to a family goes a long way in creating healthy young minds.

The Catholic church's "position" on this is medieval. They deny/damn abortion and when the child is born and given up for adoption, these children are denied adoption by homosexual or "unacceptable" couples. Only man/woman coupling need apply. This is rich!!! It certainly makes no sense other than to beef up the membership roles of that powerful body.

 

[Zzarchov]

Did you? Entertaining? Did you also know that churches fund Lobbiest and legislation AGAIST civil marrages? Ever hear a Pope speak on gay unions? Im pretty sure I left a link around here did ya read it? MAYBE just maybe people should just allow others to lead their own lives without seperation or prejudice.

I've also seen gay lobby groups try and force churches to marry them and to force them to host their activities on church land , and in England they are doing quite well.

People are people, and being gay doesn't magically mean you don't try and force other people to think like you do.

Forcing people to act as you act is a human condition, not one relegated to the church.

 

[sanctus]

I've also seen gay lobby groups try and force churches to marry them and to force them to host their activities on church land , and in England they are doing quite well.

People are people, and being gay doesn't magically mean you don't try and force other people to think like you do.

Forcing people to act as you act is a human condition, not one relegated to the church.

Why shouldn't the Church lobby for what it believes in? We are as much a part of this society as any other group who attempts to compel the population to accept their points of view. Why should we stay silent on issues that are important in our society? Because we tend to follow unpopular doctrines, we must never speak out on what we believe to be correct?

 

[sanctus]

Did you? Entertaining? Did you also know that churches fund Lobbiest and legislation AGAIST civil marrages? Ever hear a Pope speak on gay unions? Im pretty sure I left a link around here did ya read it? MAYBE just maybe people should just allow others to lead their own lives without seperation or prejudice.

And why shouldn't the Pope, or any other religious leader for that matter, speak out on what we believe? We are as much a part of society as anyone else, and that certainly entitles us to our opinion and right to lobby for that opinion. You're free to disagree and support the lobby group of your choice.

Everyone follows a leader of some sort, be it political, media, religious or whatever. no one, but no one, is an isolated island of self. We are influenced and conditioned by the systems of moral beliefs we hold to. Nothing wrong with that.

If the leader of the world's largest Christian Church wishes to make statements on the beliefs of the Church, why is that incorrect?

 

[vinod1975]

I am against Gay Marriage coz the tenure of the same sex marriage is very very less and if it is

Male - With - Male -: Marriage then they really does not live happily coz they always try to find more and partner to satisfy their sexual needs which quite normal

Female With Female they can live for long till the time both wants but this is also not long lasting.
If and only if the tenure is long enough then might be they win + vote ........:wave:

 

[sanctus]

I am against Gay Marriage coz the tenure of the same sex marriage is very very less and if it is

Male - With - Male -: Marriage then they really does not live happily coz they always try to find more and partner to satisfy their sexual needs which quite normal

Female With Female they can live for long till the time both wants but this is also not long lasting.
If and only if the tenure is long enough then might be they win + vote ........:wave:

Interestingly enough, statistics indicate that lesbian relationships can be, and often are, long-lasting. It is true what you wrote of male homosexuals, by the nature of the beast they have not statistically indicated an overwhelming trend towards monogamy. That may indicate more about the male psyche then anything particular to being homosexuals. In a study I read in "Psychology Today", and here I am paraphrasing as I read it about a year ago, studies indicate that over half of the males in the study group had engaged in extramarital sexual activity, and these were "straight" men.

I am not in support of homosexual"marriages", obviously, but we also have to recognize that many people disagree with that option of belief.