Who was this man Jesus Christ?

[Count_Lothian]

This is a Christian Discussion forum, CL. Christ is bound to come up in conversation : )

So then you wish me to stop discussing the man and pick up the supernatural .

I think it's time to show you who jesus really is.

he is hope,faith and lack of courage.

The courage it takes to live this life as only your self.
No marvel comics group of hero and heroines to magically aid you.

it takes courage to live life as a person .

 

[Motar]

So then you wish me to stop discussing the man and pick up the supernatural I think it's time to show you who jesus really is. he is hope,faith and lack of courage. The courage it takes to live this life as only your self. No marvel comics group of hero and heroines to magically aid you. it takes courage to live life as a person .

Why not discuss the God/man Jesus, CL?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Yeshua was his correct name = there is no letter J in Hebrew or in Greek

To be fair, there's no "Y," "E," "S," "H," "U," or "A" in Hebrew or Greek either.

 

[Count_Lothian]

Why not discuss the God/man Jesus, CL?

Plenty of threads with that concept in it.

I say to you the man never wanted this absurdity of a religion to become even.

The myth , if you really believe this guy walked on water and you really need that sort of thing in your life,no problem.
I take the bits and pieces and those more than likely to have actually taken place ,impose the thought the guy must have been really nice to have people love him so much.

Think of the time he went berserk with the money changers ,and basically the politics going on in and around and which became part of the synagogue. This tells you what he saw and what he believed was worth dying for.

Then the ultimate slap in the face,he gets turned into a comic strip hero.

His name used to create laws and hang people in his name.

His name used to go to crusades and cause blood baths.

The ultimate last century. Two World Wars where priests blessed the troops on both sides and said he was on their side and pray to him to protect you in the trenches and in the air.

People praying to him , billions of prayers weekly on this planet go to him.
Trillions since time of his debut as a comic strip hero.

And the only real answer , coincidence and stretching the truth to suit the myth.

This thread is about reality and trying to see the man for what he was.

 

[Twila]

This guy is called Bagel Jesus. From what I had heard / read / been told about Jesus, this guy seems to embody that spirit well.

 

[gopher]

To be fair, there's no "Y," "E," "S," "H," "U," or "A" in Hebrew or Greek either.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

By Jove, I do believe he's got it!

 

[Motar]

By Jove, I do believe he's got it!

Jove or Jupiter is the chief deity and the god of sky and thunder in the Roman pantheon.

 

[Shebaisrael]

Yes i understand as I said it is a title.
But and here is the big but!

That was not the kid's name at birth.

But I could be mistaken.

It just seems highly unlikely to name him such a thing at birth.

And I don't think others gave their kids names like this.

Food for thought; Exodus 4:22 Israel is my son, even my first born. Hosea; 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. Mathew 2:15 And was there untill the death of Herod: that it might be fullfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet saying, out of Egypt have I called my son.

 

[Ludlow]

Good question. After over fifty years of thinking about that question, my answer would be, "I do not know."

 

[Cliffy]

Good question. After over fifty years of thinking about that question, my answer would be, "I do not know."

You sure can't tell who he was or what he stood for by observing his fan club.

 

[darkbeaver]

So then you wish me to stop discussing the man and pick up the supernatural .

I think it's time to show you who jesus really is.

he is hope,faith and lack of courage.

The courage it takes to live this life as only your self.
No marvel comics group of hero and heroines to magically aid you.

it takes courage to live life as a person .

Yes, courage, struggle, no pain no gain, you gotr to hurt to live.,

 

[tay]

According to the Bible Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Palestine


A country where people are called Mohammed, Abdul, Mounir, Aziz, Ahmed, Farid, Omar, Youssouf, Mouloud, etc



And he managed to find 12 friends called

John, Peter, Paul, Phillip, Mark, Thomas, Luke, Mathew, Andrew and Simon

..... who all drank wine



That's what I call a miracle

 

[damngrumpy]

Jesus was a mixture of religion and politics but not he kind we see today.
To me he was saying you are immortal if you are remembered for the things
you did. In those times the family honor was front and center. Hell was when
your family name stood for evil.
Not sure if I'm into the immortal soul thing.
As for politics a right wing Roman Ruler Constantine adopted the faith for military
purposes and thus hijacked a left of center philosophy. We all parrot the love
thy neighbor, and share your wealth thing but few on the front pew on Sunday
morning would do any of that.
I have heard from some he may have even been a spy against the Roman Army
and did not get sympathy from the real rulers of the day
It is a case of they murdered him and thus his name lives on in history
had they not done that he may have faded into history
Christ never was a Christian and didn't want to be he wanted to reform the Jewish
faith. this is why he has such a prominent place in the Muslim Koran Most do not
realize he is the number two prophet in that faith. the Arabs also revere the Virgin
Mary as well. Think of it, three of the most prominent people in the Muslim Faith
were Jewish Abraham, Jesus and the Virgin Mary. go figure

 

[MHz]

And he managed to find 12 friends called

John, Peter, Paul, Phillip, Mark, Thomas, Luke, Mathew, Andrew and Simon

..... who all drank wine



That's what I call a miracle

Why considering there was enough wine to get the whole village drunk. What makes you think that was a one tine deal all the wine was like the first wine. Why would He go back?
English brewery cask units - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
From the mid 15th century until 1688 the ale firkin was defined as 8 ale or beer gallons (36.97 l).

Ergo, 37 liters x 3 per jar x 6 jars = 12 hangerons. or (gasp) 666 liters. A decent party by any standards considering this is after they ran out out what they thought would be enough.

I have heard from some he may have even been a spy against the Roman Army
and did not get sympathy from the real rulers of the day

You may want to update who you use as a valid reference.

 

[Cliffy]

You may want to update who you use as a valid reference.

Why? You consistently use an invalid one.

You may want to update who you use as a valid reference.

Abraham was a Sumerian. He cut off his foreskin and somehow, miraculously became the first Jew.

 

[darkbeaver]

Why thank you Motar.
Very informative.
I feel his life should be told as close as possible to the reality it was.
so hmmmm Jesus Christ is not his name given to him at birth.
What would you think his real name , the one his mom and dad would call him was?
Joshua was his name?

Or David or Krishna or Horus or a hundred other names, keeps popping up no matter how many times he's crewsified,

 

[Cliffy]

Or David or Krishna or Horus or a hundred other names, keeps popping up no matter how many times he's crewsified,

That seems to be the problem with mythical beings: they keep popping up in different cultures under different names. I wonder if it had anything to do with the language thing?

 

[darkbeaver]

That seems to be the problem with mythical beings: they keep popping up in different cultures under different names. I wonder if it had anything to do with the language thing?

Well Clifford history sure ain't about meat it's about reason, Christ is the real deal the universal truism, of course it has nothing much to do with Christians, these days anyway.

 

[Cliffy]

Well Clifford history sure ain't about meat it's about reason, Christ is the real deal the universal truism, of course it has nothing much to do with Christians, these days anyway.

Oh, I'm aware what Christ is. So called Christians follow the writings of Paul and so do not have a clue what Christ stands for.