White House Does Not Like Fox News

[Cliffy]

Um... what?

I really cannot decipher what you are trying to say. I think I need to drink more coffee.

I'm with you. It is incomprehensible and no amount of coffee is going to make it anything else.

But as far as I'm concerned, both the left and the right have their heads so far embedded where the sun don't shine, it's amazing they can even use their computers. But then, the muffled sound from having your head up your butt would make O'Reilley, Limbaugh and Beck much easier to listen to.

 

[Niflmir]

I'm with you. It is incomprehensible and no amount of coffee is going to make it anything else.

But as far as I'm concerned, both the left and the right have their heads so far embedded where the sun don't shine, it's amazing they can even use their computers. But then, the muffled sound from having your head up your butt would make O'Reilley, Limbaugh and Beck much easier to listen to.

I think people get too caught up defining where the line is between left and right that they forget to spend time thinking about the correct vs. incorrect decision.

 

[jambo101]

I'll join the cut and paste crowd here to clarify some basics=
The talk of politics is full of talk of the left and the right, but what exactly is the difference between the two?

Well, the right wing tends to be associated more with 'conservative' values (with a small 'c')... the status quo and tradition. They tend to be me tougher on law and order than the left, and emphasise the importance of free trade and low taxation policies, often cutting tax when in power. A welfare state may be seen as important, but not the extent as for a more left wing society.



The right essentially plays up the role of the individual, and in an extreme right wing view, like atomism, there may be no society, but only a collection of individuals. Extreme right wing views are those such as fascism. Most governments these days move away from the right to the centre.



The left wing, on the other hand, is associated much more with what may be termed more liberal values, the role of society, and the community as a whole. Law and order policies tend to be more relaxed, taxation is increased by large amounts as they look to create a safety net and look after the poorer members of society through a more robust healthcare system etc.



The autonomy and role of the individual is undermined much more in such a system, and the state plays a larger role in people's lives. Many governments of today occupy a centre-left position. These governments are more likely to experience poor law and order records, and declining success of businesses, due to the taxation policies and more relaxed approach to law and order




An extreme left wing view is something like communism, which looks exclusively at the community as a whole, to the detriment of the individuals that constitute that community. Both extremes lead to very unpleasant systems under which to live
.By Stefan Kubick on Sat, Sep 13th 2003

Kinda brilliant move on the part of the founding fathers of confederation to set up a system where by two diametrically opposed positions live together and end up continually balancing each other out.So whether you like the current government or not its just the way the system works,kinda like a seesaw.

 

[Niflmir]

I'll join the cut and paste crowd here to clarify some basics=
The talk of politics is full of talk of the left and the right, but what exactly is the difference between the two?

Kinda brilliant move on the part of the founding fathers of confederation to set up a system where by two diametrically opposed positions live together and end up continually balancing each other out.So whether you like the current government or not its just the way the system works,kinda like a seesaw.

According to your quote, one would conclude that a person advocating the legalization of marijuana would be a conservative. Since it is the liberal who seeks to create a safety net and undermine the autonomy of the individual.

The shoes never fit, except when somebody is wearing the rose tinted glasses.

 

[AnnaG]

According to Princeton U. Press, right-wingers are, "those who support political or social or economic conservatism; those who believe that things are better left unchanged"
and left wingers are, "those who support varying degrees of social or political or economic change designed to promote the public welfare"
I am a little bit left of center.

 

[AnnaG]

Then there's this, from Wikipedia:
Left-right politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[jambo101]

I'm basically left wing and can see certain benefits in some socialist policies,my brother who lives in Florida with his pickup truck his guns and pitbulls is totally right wing and calls me the family communist:smile:
Humans being social animals need change,adaptability and community its how we got where we are,if our evolution were left to conservative ideals we would be still swinging around in the trees looking for nuts and berries.

 

[DaSleeper]

This might explain how the white house press corp were shamed into backing Fox News;-)

YouTube - War on Fox News by Obama whitehouse to keep legitimate stories off the news - Joe Scarborough

 

[gopher]

''According to Princeton U. Press, right-wingers are, "those who support political or social or economic conservatism; those who believe that things are better left unchanged"''


Those not-so-bright geniuses left out the part about conservatives depending on corporate welfare and their support of the warfare/welfare state.

 

[L Gilbert]

''According to Princeton U. Press, right-wingers are, "those who support political or social or economic conservatism; those who believe that things are better left unchanged"''


Those not-so-bright geniuses left out the part about conservatives depending on corporate welfare and their support of the warfare/welfare state.

... and the not so lily white haloes of the left-wingers, too. Maybe they were short on paper space in their dictionary.

 

[gopher]

''Maybe they were short on paper space in their dictionary. ''


It's just your imagination, kiddo. Lefties don't like the military industrial complex. Only traitors do. Heck, even Republican Eisenhower said they were a menace to society.

 

[L Gilbert]

''Maybe they were short on paper space in their dictionary. ''


It's just your imagination, kiddo. Lefties don't like the military industrial complex. Only traitors do. Heck, even Republican Eisenhower said they were a menace to society.

what??

I doubt it. It's more likely that they didn't want to make their dictionary look like a polisci encyclopedia so they kept the definitions short.

 

[DaSleeper]

George Stephanopoulos' take on everything.......


YouTube - "This Week" Roundtable: The White House's War On Fox News

 

[ironsides]

Very good "Roundtable".

 

[Walter]

White House 'war' with Fox News

By PETER WORTHINGTON, TORONTO SUN
29th October 2009


To some who rarely watch it, it's both mysterious and outrageous that the Fox News TV channel dominates its cable TV rivals in ratings, and keeps growing.
The prejudice and mind-set against Fox is mainly among those who consider themselves intellectually elite but who, in fact, are less informed about what's going on in the world than ... than Fox viewers.
Fox's supremacy over its main competitors, CNN and MSNBC, grates on the lib-left. But for most of this 21st century, Fox News has proven the fairest and balanced of TV channels, both in hard news coverage and commentary.
Those who dislike Fox (and say they never watch it) consider it too conservative -- that it is mindlessly anti-Democrat and anti-Barack Obama. This is unfair and wrong. As one who increasingly relies of Fox for world and American news, I find it fair to Obama without being sycophantic -- especially Bill O'Reilly who is hated with a passion by liberals that defies understanding.
Mainstream TV channels ABC, CBS and NBC also resent Fox, which is wooing their audiences away. But when the Obama White House gang attempted to exclude Fox News from coverage, the mainstream media felt forced to rally to Fox in defence of the First Amendment (freedom of the press).
The previous Canadian government was no friend of Fox and the CRTC seemed to go out of its way to make it difficult for Canadians to have the same access to Fox News as they had to CNN, beloved by the left.
In Canada, the most virulent enemy of Fox and its contributors seems to be the Globe and Mail's TV writer, John Doyle, who at the moment is relishing the Obama White House's "war" against Fox.
Doyle's bete noire is Bill O'Reilly, and to a somewhat lesser extent Sean Hannity, whom he calls "barking-mad gasbags." Doyle denigrates those who like Fox as "cranky old guys" who are over 63 and constitute 50% of Fox's audience. I guess that includes me, except I'm not cranky, just perceptive.
It's hard to understand the venom directed at Fox. After all, it's just more choice for viewers -- a different approach on newsworthy subjects. Except Fox will cover news that other media outlets ignore, like the corruption in ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) that Obama once represented as a lawyer and which was caught in a sting supporting underage prostitution to finance a political career.
'JUST WATCH ME' MOMENT
Doyle calls Obama's attacks on Fox as his "Just Watch Me" moment, reminiscent of the late Pierre Trudeau's unnerving quip to restore order during the 1970 FLQ crisis. It's also "a warning to other all-news channels," including CNN, which Doyle says "harbours the appalling Lou Dobbs."
To Doyle, "attacks based on rumour, innuendo and half-truths" are Fox News' ways of attempting a "very American" kind of coup:" Relentless smearing of a legitimate, elected government as socialist, un-American and totalitarian."
More "cranky old men who can't be bothered to check facts but are deeply energized by hate."
Sorry, John, but it's not Fox that ducks facts, just the opposite. They dig up facts. Witness the ACORN scam, and the audience ("cranky" or not) that has increased 9% since the White House declared war on it, and risen by 14% in the preferred 25-54 age group.

 

[gopher]

... that increase is kinda like the rise in Obama's approval rating with the decline in the Republican Congressional approval numbers.

 

[Walter]

Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News
'We better not see you on again,' the strategist says he was told by a White House official. Obama aides have taken an aggressive stance against the network and may be seeking to isolate it.

Reporting from Washington - At least one Democratic political strategist has gotten a blunt warning from the White House to never appear on Fox News Channel, an outlet that presidential aides have depicted as not so much a news-gathering operation as a political opponent bent on damaging the Obama administration.

Political consultants are a staple of cable television talk shows, analyzing current events based on their own experiences working on campaigns or in government.

One Democratic strategist said that shortly after an appearance on Fox, he got a phone call from a White House official telling him not to be a guest on the show again. The call had an intimidating tone, he said.

The message was, " 'We better not see you on again,' " said the strategist, who spoke on condition of anonymity so as not to run afoul of the White House. An implicit suggestion, he said, was that "clients might stop using you if you continue."

In urging Democratic consultants to spurn Fox, White House officials might be trying to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan.

 

[YukonJack]

People with IQ's identical to their shoe sizes complain about FOXNews and Sarah Palin.

Compunded with the fact that they NEVER, EVER watched FoXNews, but parrot the line perpetuated by the liberal media, makes their stupidity even more appearent.

 

[winniethepooh]

Actually O'Reilly is a good journalist, he's won a few awards.

However, Obama is abusing his position by provoking a war with FOX, and in fact, some other journalists recognized what could be them, when they refused to go along with omitting Fox from an interview.

 

[Niflmir]

Actually O'Reilly is a good journalist, he's won a few awards.

However, Obama is abusing his position by provoking a war with FOX, and in fact, some other journalists recognized what could be them, when they refused to go along with omitting Fox from an interview.

Obama cannot possibly be provoking a war with FOX, he won the nobel peace prize. For peace, not war.