Which idiot was it who got the ball rolling to denigrate the Father of our country?

justlooking

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r their cultural past.

Their cultural past is sitting on their collective asses, shitting out kids and drinking whitey's White Lightning ?

Damn, I thought there was more to it than that.

I'm not sure that stereotyping has ever helped to solve any problem. We are starting to get off topic a bit.

Sterotypes exist because there is more than a grain of truth to it.
Sometimes not a happy truth, but truth nonetheless.

Besides, I thought getting off topic was required on this site ??? :p
 

JLM

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Sterotypes exist because there is more than a grain of truth to it.
Sometimes not a happy truth, but truth nonetheless.

Besides, I thought getting off topic was required on this site ??? :p


Yeah, sometimes but at other times when it's not the truth it's hurtful!
 

bobnoorduyn

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The Indian Residential Schools Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada concluded that the Canadian Indian residential school system "can best be described as 'cultural genocide.'"[

From the Reconciliation Commission you described earlier.




Late Supreme Court Justices Claire L'Heureux-Dube and Bertha Wilson often used words made up either by themselves or their clerks in judgements that are still in use today, but are nevertheless made up, such as interrelationship, irregardless, proactive... all for the same reason, emphasis on a cause. "Cultural Genocide" is just another one that has made it into the idiot vernacular.

See, that's your mistake. We mostly moved the Indians to hardpan desert and told them they were to farm it.


The Hutterites seem pretty adept at doing just that for some reason.

Not only that but ol' Walt was deeply anti-Semitic. Antifa needs to tear down Disneyland and Disney World and assault everyone who is there because they're obviously nazis.


As an aside, in a documentary it was said that the scene in Bambi where the hunter shoots up everything, including Bambi's mother, and the line "Man has come to the forest" was not anti hunting sentiment but a backhanded dig at Walt himself by the writers and animators for when he would storm into the art room and wreak havoc on them.
 

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From your link:

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Nothing was done to prevent births, and the kids weren't transferred to another group but to a school to be educated, then returned to their parents. As for 'serious bodily harm' it never happened on purpose(ie, as a matter of government policy). And mental harm is way too open to interpretation. I think the government causes me serious mental harm by raising my taxes so high.

What about inter-generational trauma caused by widespread physical, emotional, psychological, or physical abuse at the schools?

Isn't a crime. You punish a guy for killing someone, but you can't punish him for the emotional harm done to the victim's grandkids.

What about the forced sterilization of indigenous women against their will?

Done to whites too.

What about forcibly separating children from their indigenous communities to place them in English or French communities?

You want to leave abused kids with their drunken, abusing parents?

The Indian Residential Schools Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada concluded that the Canadian Indian residential school system "can best be described as 'cultural genocide.'"

That's nice, but the native rights industry's use of the term doesn't make the term any more legitimate.

Aren't many of the reserves situated on the some of the best agricultural land in the country?

No. Most are not on farmland but in woodland. They haven't the tools or ability to clear the land, don't have farming equipment or money to buy it, and don't have experience or knowledge as farmers. Many are in northern areas where you can't farm anyway.
 

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No. Most are not on farmland but in woodland. They haven't the tools or ability to clear the land, don't have farming equipment or money to buy it, and don't have experience or knowledge as farmers. Many are in northern areas where you can't farm anyway.


Your points are taken. I was mainly thinking of reserves on Vancouver Island and a few other areas of British Columbia.
 

justlooking

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No. Most are not on farmland but in woodland. They haven't the tools or ability to clear the land, don't have farming equipment or money to buy it, and don't have experience or knowledge as farmers. Many are in northern areas where you can't farm anyway.

There is no shortage of money on the reserves.
Tools and equipment can be bought.
Knowledge can be given.. for free.
There are many kinds of farming, husbandry and cultivation.

No, something else is missing.
 

captain morgan

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There is no shortage of money on the reserves.
Tools and equipment can be bought.
Knowledge can be given.. for free.
There are many kinds of farming, husbandry and cultivation.

No, something else is missing.

A few major problems that need to be recognized here.


  • The Reserve system promotes an environment that keeps folks dependent on that system.
  • The inability for an individual to actually own a piece of the property basically makes them a kind of tenant with no real possibility to grow that asset.
  • More often than not, the Chief and Council live drastically different lives and the opportunity for the effective transfer of gvt funding can be heavily compromised to the point that the community suffers.
This system is so heavily flawed that those examples which are successes are far outnumbered by the failed examples.

No matter how you cut it, it's a real mess
 

White_Unifier

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Nothing was done to prevent births, and the kids weren't transferred to another group but to a school to be educated, then returned to their parents. As for 'serious bodily harm' it never happened on purpose(ie, as a matter of government policy). And mental harm is way too open to interpretation. I think the government causes me serious mental harm by raising my taxes so high.



Isn't a crime. You punish a guy for killing someone, but you can't punish him for the emotional harm done to the victim's grandkids.



Done to whites too.



You want to leave abused kids with their drunken, abusing parents?



That's nice, but the native rights industry's use of the term doesn't make the term any more legitimate.



No. Most are not on farmland but in woodland. They haven't the tools or ability to clear the land, don't have farming equipment or money to buy it, and don't have experience or knowledge as farmers. Many are in northern areas where you can't farm anyway.

Coerced Sterilization of Canadian Indigenous Women in 70s Widespread:
https://www.geneticsandsociety.org/...enous-women-70s-widespread-researcher?id=8842

'For a brief time when he was 6, Chief Robert Joseph's schoolteachers rendered him mute.

'If he dared speak Kwak'wala, his only tongue, even to complain of t'sit'saxsisala (sore feet) or t'ixwa ( a cough), the missionaries at St. Michael's Residential School in Alert Bay, B.C., would strike.

'And if Mr. Joseph's friends mustered the audacity to ask him yalkawa'mas - did you get hurt? - they risked a smack themselves.

'"I certainly saw my share of rulers, straps and cuffs on the ear," Mr. Joseph says in perfect English, the language forced upon him 62 years ago. "You had to pick up English or not communicate at all."

'Others students had it worse. One common punishment involved a sewing needle through the tongue.

'The last native residential schools closed in 1996, but the silencing of native tongues continues.'

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/language-crusaders-revitalize-dying-tongues/article18441910/

But I digress. Maybe sticking sewing needles through your tongue for speaking in your common language or getting smacked around for it was normal at your school too; but I've never experienced it myself.
 

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Then they should get of their a$$ and move themselves and their family to where there are jobs and a future.

They need to start asking themselves, what's more important, their children's future, or their cultural past.

Just as soon as the government quits paying them to live their culture.DIA is a large part of the problem.

Aren't many of the reserves situated on the some of the best agricultural land in the country?

Not any of the ones I was thinking of.
 

justlooking

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A few major problems that need to be recognized here.


  • The Reserve system promotes an environment that keeps folks dependent on that system.
  • The inability for an individual to actually own a piece of the property basically makes them a kind of tenant with no real possibility to grow that asset.
  • More often than not, the Chief and Council live drastically different lives and the opportunity for the effective transfer of gvt funding can be heavily compromised to the point that the community suffers.
This system is so heavily flawed that those examples which are successes are far outnumbered by the failed examples.

No matter how you cut it, it's a real mess

I don't disagree with you, corruption, drugs, dependence, ownership issues and other things create big problems.
But they can be solved.

The reality of it is neither side is really interested in solving the problems, because certain actors on both sides
make a profit from keeping things miserable. And it is this inertial never ending black hole that we keep dumping
tons and tons of taxpayer money into, with zero result.. except more money.
 

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Coerced Sterilization of Canadian Indigenous Women in 70s Widespread:
https://www.geneticsandsociety.org/...enous-women-70s-widespread-researcher?id=8842

'For a brief time when he was 6, Chief Robert Joseph's schoolteachers rendered him mute.

'If he dared speak Kwak'wala, his only tongue, even to complain of t'sit'saxsisala (sore feet) or t'ixwa ( a cough), the missionaries at St. Michael's Residential School in Alert Bay, B.C., would strike.

'And if Mr. Joseph's friends mustered the audacity to ask him yalkawa'mas - did you get hurt? - they risked a smack themselves.

'"I certainly saw my share of rulers, straps and cuffs on the ear," Mr. Joseph says in perfect English, the language forced upon him 62 years ago. "You had to pick up English or not communicate at all."

'Others students had it worse. One common punishment involved a sewing needle through the tongue.

'The last native residential schools closed in 1996, but the silencing of native tongues continues.'

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/language-crusaders-revitalize-dying-tongues/article18441910/

But I digress. Maybe sticking sewing needles through your tongue for speaking in your common language or getting smacked around for it was normal at your school too; but I've never experienced it myself.

Kinda puts a huge amount of importance on having a strong military doesn't it? If you're going to expect respect from others.
 

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By telling the truth about our history? Then I stand guilty as charged!

It's your sad and subjective interpretation coupled with a willful ignorance that is ridiculous.

Lemme ask you this. Seeing how there is essentially no chance of every finding a person that has not done some kind of unanimously approved deed, does it make sense in your little mind that there should be no dedication or naming of anything after a person whatsoever?

In the end, your kind are no more than a shallow weather vane that blows in the direction of the cause-du-jour..... No original thought and certainly no real solution(s) other than the expected knee jerk reaction that is representative of the extreme end of the spectrum.


The reality of it is neither side is really interested in solving the problems, because certain actors on both sides
make a profit from keeping things miserable. And it is this inertial never ending black hole that we keep dumping
tons and tons of taxpayer money into, with zero result.. except more money.

Money is a big factor here but in the end, transferring actual title of the land to the actual members of each res would solve so many problems very fast.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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It's your sad and subjective interpretation coupled with a willful ignorance that is ridiculous.

Lemme ask you this. Seeing how there is essentially no chance of every finding a person that has not done some kind of unanimously approved deed, does it make sense in your little mind that there should be no dedication or naming of anything after a person whatsoever?

In the end, your kind are no more than a shallow weather vane that blows in the direction of the cause-du-jour..... No original thought and certainly no real solution(s) other than the expected knee jerk reaction that is representative of the extreme end of the spectrum.




Money is a big factor here but in the end, transferring actual title of the land to the actual members of each res would solve so many problems very fast.

Be interested to hear your opinion of Mr. McDonald. Upsides, downsides, all the sides.
 

captain morgan

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Be interested to hear your opinion of Mr. McDonald. Upsides, downsides, all the sides.

As far as McDonald goes, I don't hold much of an opinion either way.

The history books provide one side of things (generally the shiny nice side), however, the accuracy of these accounts is heavily dependent on the objectivity of the author.... Call me skeptical but for the above reason, I don't generally buy into the story line that easily

That said, he did contribute to some significant achievements during his time and despite his documented appetite for alcohol, well, I don't see him as all that different than many people or politicians today in that regard.