Where's the Thread on "George Floyd" ????

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B00Mer said:
Crazy fat kid? Who me??
Far from fat anymore, and far from a kid nearing 60 yrs old.

Although my ex-wives say I act like a kid riding a crotch rocket :lol:
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No. McCain called Kim Jong Un "the crazy fat kid." In his honor, I call Donny Dipshit that.

All politics aside, I'm happy with what you've done with and for yourself. You look great, and you're clearly having a lot of fun in life.

You probably also added about 10 years to your lifespan.

Really, really well done.
 
Ron in Regina

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Walter said:
George Floyd autopsy found 'no physical findings...of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation'
'Underlying health conditions,' intoxicants, police restraint 'likely contributed to his death'
https://justthenews.com/government/...-no-physical-findingsof-traumatic-asphyxia-or

Probably why the DA only charged the cop with third degree murder.
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Ron in Regina said:

Neither one of us are medical examinators, etc....but in your opinion, if the above didn't happen, would this George Floyd have died minutes later?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positional_asphyxia
Research has suggested that restraining a person in a face-down position is likely to cause greater restriction of breathing than restraining a person face-up. Multiple cases have been associated with the hogtie or hobble prone restraint position. Many law enforcement and health personnel are now taught to avoid restraining people face-down or to do so only for a very short period of time.

Risk factors which may increase the chance of death include prolonged (particularly resisted) restraint, obesity, prior cardiac or respiratory problems, and the use of illicit drugs such as cocaine. Other issues in the way the subject is restrained can also increase the risk of death, for example kneeling or otherwise placing weight on the subject and particularly any type of restraint hold around the subject's neck. Research measuring the effect of restraint positions on lung function suggests that restraint which involves bending the restrained person or placing body weight on them has more effect on their breathing than face-down positioning alone.
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spilledthebeer said:
The rioters do seem to be REALLY CLUED OUT regarding what they want and when they want it!

Lost in all the nonsense is the information supplied by the autopsy that indicates Floyd had UNDERLYING HEART DISEASE

and was loaded up on street drugs (?) when he was arrested!

And that it was the combination of street drugs, bad heart and THE STRESS OF FIGHTING THE ARREST THAT KILLED HIM!

Aint it WONDERFULLY HYPOCRITICAL of LIE-berals NOT TO MENTION what drugs he had first ingested!

And second NO MENTION of what STUPID THING HE DID that the cops wanted to arrest him for!

The guy is being used as a tool by radicals!

Looting does NOT lead to social justice!
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Neither one of us are medical examinators, etc....but in your opinion, if the above didn't happen, would this George Floyd have died minutes later?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52885964
http://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/george-floyd-independent-autopsy/index.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnY-Q3xj7RQ
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/06/family-ordered-autopsy-george-floyd-died-of-asphyxia.html
http://globalnews.ca/news/7012541/asphyxiation-george-floyd-autopsy/
http://www.bostonherald.com/2020/06/01/the-latest-at-least-5600-arrested-since-protests-began/

An autopsy commissioned for George Floyd’s family found that he died of asphyxiation due to neck and back compression when a Minneapolis police officer held his knee on Floyd’s neck for several minutes and ignored his cries of distress, the family’s attorneys said Monday.

The autopsy by a doctor who also examined Eric Garner’s body found the compression cut off blood to Floyd’s brain, and weight on his back made it hard to breathe, attorney Ben Crump said at a news conference.

“The evidence is consistent with mechanical asphyxia as the cause of death and homicide as the manner of death,” Allecia Wilson, one of the doctors who conducted the family’s autopsy, said at a press conference on Monday.

The family’s autopsy differs from the official autopsy as described in a criminal complaint against the officer. That autopsy included the effects of being restrained, along with underlying health issues and potential intoxicants in Floyd’s system, but also said it found nothing “to support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.”

Floyd, a Black man who was in handcuffs at the time, died after the white officer ignored bystander shouts to get off him and Floyd’s cries that he couldn’t breathe. His death, captured on citizen video, sparked days of protests in Minneapolis that have spread to cities around America.

The official autopsy last week provided no other details about intoxicants, and toxicology results can take weeks. In the 911 call that drew police, the caller described the man suspected of paying with counterfeit money as “awfully drunk and he’s not in control of himself.”

Crump said last week that he was commissioning the family’s own autopsy. Floyd’s family, like the families of other Black men killed by police, wanted an independent look because they didn’t trust local authorities to produce an unbiased autopsy.

Dr. Michael Baden, who conducted the autopsy with Wilson, said neither drugs nor alcohol were the cause of Floyd’s death. He said it took three minutes and 50 seconds for Floyd to die.

Baden is the former chief medical examiner of New York City, who was hired to conduct an autopsy of Eric Garner, a Black man who died in 2014 after New York police placed him in a chokehold and he pleaded that he could not breathe.

Baden also conducted an independent autopsy of Michael Brown, an 18-year-old shot by police in Ferguson, Missouri. He said Brown’s autopsy, requested by the teen’s family, didn’t reveal signs of a struggle, casting doubt on a claim by police that a struggle between Brown and the officer led to the shooting.

The officer who held his knee on Floyd’s neck, Derek Chauvin, has been charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter and is in custody in a state prison. The other three officers on scene, like Chauvin, were fired the day after the incident but have not been charged.

Crump on Monday called for the remaining three officers to be arrested and for the charge against Chauvin to be upgraded to first-degree murder.

The head of the Minneapolis police union said in a letter to members that the officers were fired without due process and labour attorneys are fighting for their jobs. Lt. Bob Kroll, the union president, also criticized city leadership, saying a lack of support is to blame for the days of sometimes violent protests.

When asked to respond, Mayor Jacob Frey said: “For a man who complains so frequently about a lack of community trust and support for the police department, Bob Kroll remains shockingly indifferent to his role in undermining that trust and support.” Frey said Kroll’s opposition to reform and lack of empathy for the community has undermined trust in the police.

Gov. Tim Walz announced Sunday that Attorney General Keith Ellison would take the lead in any prosecutions in Floyd’s death. Local civil rights activists have said Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman doesn’t have the trust of the Black community. They have protested outside his house, and pressed him to charge the other three officers.

Freeman remains on the case.
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So I'll ask again of both Walter & Yourself Sir, "If this arrest didn't happen (the knee across the neck for almost 9 minutes, & the other two officers on George Floyd's Back & Legs) in the manner that it did, would George Floyd have been alive later that day or today?" _____________________________________________________________________
Rioters & Looters aren't Protestors. Rioters & Looters are Rioters & Looters. Protestors are Protestors.
 
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Ron in Regina said:
Neither one of us are medical examinators, etc....but in your opinion, if the above didn't happen, would this George Floyd have died minutes later?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52885964
http://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/george-floyd-independent-autopsy/index.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnY-Q3xj7RQ
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/06/family-ordered-autopsy-george-floyd-died-of-asphyxia.html
http://globalnews.ca/news/7012541/asphyxiation-george-floyd-autopsy/
http://www.bostonherald.com/2020/06/01/the-latest-at-least-5600-arrested-since-protests-began/
An autopsy commissioned for George Floyd’s family found that he died of asphyxiation due to neck and back compression when a Minneapolis police officer held his knee on Floyd’s neck for several minutes and ignored his cries of distress, the family’s attorneys said Monday.
The autopsy by a doctor who also examined Eric Garner’s body found the compression cut off blood to Floyd’s brain, and weight on his back made it hard to breathe, attorney Ben Crump said at a news conference.
“The evidence is consistent with mechanical asphyxia as the cause of death and homicide as the manner of death,” Allecia Wilson, one of the doctors who conducted the family’s autopsy, said at a press conference on Monday.
The family’s autopsy differs from the official autopsy as described in a criminal complaint against the officer. That autopsy included the effects of being restrained, along with underlying health issues and potential intoxicants in Floyd’s system, but also said it found nothing “to support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.”
Floyd, a Black man who was in handcuffs at the time, died after the white officer ignored bystander shouts to get off him and Floyd’s cries that he couldn’t breathe. His death, captured on citizen video, sparked days of protests in Minneapolis that have spread to cities around America.
The official autopsy last week provided no other details about intoxicants, and toxicology results can take weeks. In the 911 call that drew police, the caller described the man suspected of paying with counterfeit money as “awfully drunk and he’s not in control of himself.”
Crump said last week that he was commissioning the family’s own autopsy. Floyd’s family, like the families of other Black men killed by police, wanted an independent look because they didn’t trust local authorities to produce an unbiased autopsy.
Dr. Michael Baden, who conducted the autopsy with Wilson, said neither drugs nor alcohol were the cause of Floyd’s death. He said it took three minutes and 50 seconds for Floyd to die.

Baden is the former chief medical examiner of New York City, who was hired to conduct an autopsy of Eric Garner, a Black man who died in 2014 after New York police placed him in a chokehold and he pleaded that he could not breathe.
Baden also conducted an independent autopsy of Michael Brown, an 18-year-old shot by police in Ferguson, Missouri. He said Brown’s autopsy, requested by the teen’s family, didn’t reveal signs of a struggle, casting doubt on a claim by police that a struggle between Brown and the officer led to the shooting.
The officer who held his knee on Floyd’s neck, Derek Chauvin, has been charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter and is in custody in a state prison. The other three officers on scene, like Chauvin, were fired the day after the incident but have not been charged.
Crump on Monday called for the remaining three officers to be arrested and for the charge against Chauvin to be upgraded to first-degree murder.
The head of the Minneapolis police union said in a letter to members that the officers were fired without due process and labour attorneys are fighting for their jobs. Lt. Bob Kroll, the union president, also criticized city leadership, saying a lack of support is to blame for the days of sometimes violent protests.
When asked to respond, Mayor Jacob Frey said: “For a man who complains so frequently about a lack of community trust and support for the police department, Bob Kroll remains shockingly indifferent to his role in undermining that trust and support.” Frey said Kroll’s opposition to reform and lack of empathy for the community has undermined trust in the police.
Gov. Tim Walz announced Sunday that Attorney General Keith Ellison would take the lead in any prosecutions in Floyd’s death. Local civil rights activists have said Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman doesn’t have the trust of the Black community. They have protested outside his house, and pressed him to charge the other three officers.
Freeman remains on the case.
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So I'll ask again of both Walter & Yourself Sir, "If this arrest didn't happen (the knee across the neck for almost 9 minutes, & the other two officers on George Floyd's Back & Legs) in the manner that it did, would George Floyd have been alive later that day or today?" _____________________________________________________________________
Rioters & Looters aren't Protestors. Rioters & Looters are Rioters & Looters. Protestors are Protestors.
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Asked and answered.
 
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Kentucky police chief fired after shooting kills barbecue restaurant owner

Police said they were responding to gunfire from a crowd.
The US attorney said federal authorities will join state police in investigating the fatal shooting.
Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer revealed that authorities lacked body camera video for the investigation just hours after Kentucky’s governor demanded the release of police video.
“This type of institutional failure will not be tolerated,” Fischer said. “Accordingly, I have relieved Steve Conrad of his duties.”
Governor Andy Beshear later said the lack of body camera footage was unacceptable.
“This is the entire reason that we have those cameras,” the Democratic governor said at the state Capitol in Frankfort. “And every other officers’ cameras should be reviewed, and if they captured any part of the scene it ought to be released.”
Beshear authorized state police to independently investigate the shooting. He pledged the probe will be conducted in an “honest and transparent way that will not take months.”
The governor said he had counted on body camera footage to help determine “the truth in a way that spoke for itself, at a time when trust is difficult and people deserve to be able to see and evaluate.”
Deputy Chief Robert Schroeder will step in immediately as chief, Fischer said...….More
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They Fled Asia as Refugees. Now They Are Caught in the Middle of Minneapolis.

They came as refugees from the jungles of Laos, an ethnic minority allied with American forces during the war in Vietnam. Beginning in the winter of 1975, thousands settled in frigid central Minnesota, and eventually became business owners, teachers and police officers —their versions of the American dream...…………………..

…………….We came to this country with nothing,” said Gloria Wong, 50, whose building on University Avenue in St. Paul was badly damaged. “I have been working my whole life for my building. Now it just takes one or two persons to trash it. I feel very down right now. My heart is just aching all over.”
Ms. Wong said she had a fondness for police officers: Her uncle was one of the first Hmong-Americans to become one in the 1980s. But when she saw the video, she thought that Tou Thao, the officer who stood by during Mr. Floyd’s death, had acted wrongly.
“I thought he had neglected what he went to law enforcement school for,” Ms. Wong said. Still, she understood why he had attended. His family, she said, was also striving.
“They were trying to work hard and rise up and have the American dream too,” she said...………..

……………..Kongsue Xiong, 46, a Hmong business owner in St. Paul whose building was damaged last week, said the burning reminded him of his childhood in Laos. He said he hid in the jungle as a child and saw people dying, and communist forces burning villages. He came to the United States in 1992 alone. His father had been killed in the violence and his mother, who had survived, had remarried and did not want to immigrate.
“What happened to George Floyd is not right,” he said. “But burning businesses is not related to the death. Two things are going on at the same time and you are just confused.”
He said the past week has made him “as scared of Black Lives Matter as of the police.”
Hmong-Americans are the single largest group of Asians in Minnesota, with a population of up to 90,000. In St. Paul, Asians make up about 12 percent of the population, slightly less of than African-Americans, at about 13 percent.
The community is divided on how it sees the week’s events, people said. Younger people tend to view it from the perspective of Black Lives Matter, saying that the outrage over police violence that had driven protesters into the streets was understandable. Older immigrants seemed more likely to emphasize the loss of property and the pain of watching a cherished small business destroyed...……...More
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Be safe when you're fighting the power �� For folks who are new to social justice actions:
1. Water makes pepper spray worse. Use milk of magnesia or liquid antacid and water. Don't wear contacts.
2. If you get tear gassed, when you get home, put the contaminated clothes in a plastic bag for later decontamination and shower with cold water to avoid opening your pores.
3. Come with friends and don't get separated.
Avoid leaving the crowd and watch out for police snatch squads.
4. Beware undercovers, but beware snitch jacketing and collaborator 'peace police' even more.
5. The far right is very good at combing through pictures and doxxing people. Mask up.
6. Write any necessary phone numbers you may need directly on your skin in sharpie. Phone numbers such as bail support allies or friends.
7. Have an offsite plan for emergencies if you have not been heard from by X time coordinated with someone offsite.
8. Make sure all mobile devices are charged!!
9. If you plan on going to jail, plan it: bail, lawyer, time off from work, witnesses i.e.: a cadre. Don't just go to jail without training.
10. Beware folks inciting violence. Most of them are police feds. Watch out for hook ups for the same reason. Get to know the crowd. They will set you up.
11. Wear dish washing gloves or up the arm gloves.
12. Bring a change of clothes.
13. Cover your descriptions
I.e. tattoos, piercings, hair .
14. A traffic cone thrown over the tear gas canister with water poured into it will diffuse it.

Good advise...
 
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Cliffy said:
Be safe when you're fighting the power �� For folks who are new to social justice actions:
1. Water makes pepper spray worse. Use milk of magnesia or liquid antacid and water. Don't wear contacts.
2. If you get tear gassed, when you get home, put the contaminated clothes in a plastic bag for later decontamination and shower with cold water to avoid opening your pores.
3. Come with friends and don't get separated.
Avoid leaving the crowd and watch out for police snatch squads.
4. Beware undercovers, but beware snitch jacketing and collaborator 'peace police' even more.
5. The far right is very good at combing through pictures and doxxing people. Mask up.
6. Write any necessary phone numbers you may need directly on your skin in sharpie. Phone numbers such as bail support allies or friends.
7. Have an offsite plan for emergencies if you have not been heard from by X time coordinated with someone offsite.
8. Make sure all mobile devices are charged!!
9. If you plan on going to jail, plan it: bail, lawyer, time off from work, witnesses i.e.: a cadre. Don't just go to jail without training.
10. Beware folks inciting violence. Most of them are police feds. Watch out for hook ups for the same reason. Get to know the crowd. They will set you up.
11. Wear dish washing gloves or up the arm gloves.
12. Bring a change of clothes.
13. Cover your descriptions
I.e. tattoos, piercings, hair .
14. A traffic cone thrown over the tear gas canister with water poured into it will diffuse it.

Good advise...
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Except for the grammar,
and you call yourself a writer...
Better stick to Fakebook memes!
 
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If it's not racism when a man kneels on the neck of a white man why is it racism if a man kneels on the neck of a black man?
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PROBABLY Because the white man DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME!


But the black guy DID!


There is a DIRECT CONNECTION BETWEEN LARGE PEOPLE in uniform kneeling on you



and your having previously committed SOME SORT OF CRIME!


And yes - it is ILLEGAL to kick up a fuss and upset people even if you are INSANE!


It s just that if you are insane - you generally go to a hospital and then are swiftly released!


While the SANE CRIMINAL goes to jail for a while and then is swiftly released!


By and large the mental hospital is the preferred choice over jail!


In my younger days I was involved in a case of mistaken identity such that I was pulled over at GUNPOINT



by an OPP Constable!


The guy was SO WIRED AND SO WORRIED about being ambushed as he confronted me that he was actually



JUMPING FROM FOOT TO FOOT! The guy looked like he was getting a mild electric SHOCK - or in imminent danger



OF PISSING HIMSELF!



it was IMMEDIATELY CLEAR to me that the guy was so agitated that he might shoot first and sort out the details AFTER!


Being an ordinary white guy - who KNEW he had done nothing wrong and recognized the legal mistake in progress!



And KNEW there were no oustanding warrants against me!


And KNEW all the paperwork for license and insurance was IN ORDER!



And KNEW that I was NOT carrying any sort of illegal substances!


And KNEW I was not hiding an illegal weapon!


And KNOWING I was clean as the driven snow - I simply stood still and waited for Cop to sort out his issues!


It only took a minute and he sheepishly put away the gun and gave me back my papers!


But MY POINT IS that I was confronted by an ARMED MAN - operating WITH LEGAL AUTHORITY TO SHOOT



in order to protect himself! Thus my willingness TO DO AS ORDERED and my calm manner ENSURED



there would be NO ESCALATION of the confrontation!


HOW SAD that so FEW black people understand this FACT of cooperating!



Thus far the LIE-beral authorities HAVE NOT STATED WHY the cops would wish to arrest Floyd!


Was he drugged up and making trouble?


Did he have previous arrest warrants that prompted cops to hunt him down and arrest him?


WHAT DID EMMETT FLOYD DO THAT ATTRACTED THE COPS!


The LIE-beral SILENCE on this issue is DAMNING!
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
Got some wood out of it, didn't ya, ya dirty boy?
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Dirty?
Only I thought: hasn't she some piece of cloth to wrap herself with and cover her body before strangers (i.e. other than her husband and family members)?
Or doesn't she know it is forbidden by God's religion?
No, they know very well, and even Jesus Christ was very strict on this.. they know and even the Ten Commandments say this clearly.. but they are ungodly.
 
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