Mexican crops are reported to have suffered eighty to one hundred per cent destruction in the recent persistant cold snap and Florida has suffered major loses as well.
When will the food shortages become World Wide?
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True, most of that corn is usually exported to places like Africa where people are starving and of course we use feed corn for domestic animals. First we will see as we are now, the price of meat and fresh corn going up little at a time. Soy and wheat crops will not be able to keep up and will soon follow. As was mentioned, Florida oranges were damaged by the frost this year. I only have two citrus trees and one died and the other lost all its fruit.
Thomas Malthus, in the the early 1800s, provided British Liberalism with its ideological argument for Free Markets, which called for market forces to reduce the excess populations. It was based on the premis that an arithmetic increase in food production could never sustain a geometric increase in population growth, therefor natural forces should be allowed to cull the human population by famine or disease.
It provided the rationale for the complete lack of government response to the Irish Potato Famine, and the periodic die offs of agricultural workers in the British colonies in India and the Carribean. It was buttressed when Darwinian theories of Natural Selection appeared in the 1860s, which were applied to concepts of Social and Economic Darwinism, and of strengthening the 'breed' through social calamities.
The fact is, with a population 10X what it was in the 1840s, there is still adequate food to feed the world, through scientific progress. The only impediment is one of delivery, and of economic connivance to create shortages, in the interests of maximizing profits, and the lack of political will to do something about it.
It provided the rationale for the complete lack of government response to the Irish Potato Famine, and the periodic die offs of agricultural workers in the British colonies in India and the Carribean. It was buttressed when Darwinian theories of Natural Selection appeared in the 1860s, which were applied to concepts of Social and Economic Darwinism, and of strengthening the 'breed' through social calamities.
The fact is, with a population 10X what it was in the 1840s, there is still adequate food to feed the world, through scientific progress. The only impediment is one of delivery, and of economic connivance to create shortages, in the interests of maximizing profits, and the lack of political will to do something about it.
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We have to give up eating meat daily.
It took a famine to figure out "hey...we can make BOOZE from rotting potatoes". Silly Irish.
Food shortages is another way of saying peak oil. This is outright evil PC code. Oil makes fertilizer and powers machines for high agricultural productivity. Less cheap energy means more expensive food. It means food cannot be shipped as far as cheaply as before. It is the simplest equation.
Countries want to buy land in Africa to feed themselves, leaving Africans doing with less. Another problem. People power may not permit it much longer.
Countries want to buy land in Africa to feed themselves, leaving Africans doing with less. Another problem. People power may not permit it much longer.
Hell no. We'll go back to steam power from bales and fertilizer made from on farm digesters that turn bales into mycologically rich humus in a matter of hours.
Prices will likely go up for us next year.
Ethanol pumping up food prices - USATODAY.com
The immediate causes of the rise are clear: bad harvests due to drought in Russia, China and Argentina and floods in Australia, among other things. But a longer-term cause may come as a surprise:— 24% of the U.S. corn crop is now mandated to go to ethanol, taking slack out of the world food market and making price shocks more likely, agricultural economists say.
We may live in what appears to be an abundance of food but when was the last time you had a nuritionally complete meal?
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Unfortunately for some the real impact of food shortages will not be noticed until the crap
hits the fan. The growing middle class in Asia and other parts of the world will create
real competition for quality food and prices will rise accordingly. Those who cling to the
concept of cheap food will end up with the less quality food stuffs. Foreign competition for
food land for production has already started in Central and South America and parts of
Africa. Saudi Arabia and China are already buying and India has a plan for purchase in the
works. You will not notice it right away but it will come.
Farmers in this part of the world will grow for a world market and those who don't want to
pay will end up with what is left over at seriously increased prices. We in this country have
decided for decades that farmers should subsidize consumers with really cheap food but
that is coming to an end.
hits the fan. The growing middle class in Asia and other parts of the world will create
real competition for quality food and prices will rise accordingly. Those who cling to the
concept of cheap food will end up with the less quality food stuffs. Foreign competition for
food land for production has already started in Central and South America and parts of
Africa. Saudi Arabia and China are already buying and India has a plan for purchase in the
works. You will not notice it right away but it will come.
Farmers in this part of the world will grow for a world market and those who don't want to
pay will end up with what is left over at seriously increased prices. We in this country have
decided for decades that farmers should subsidize consumers with really cheap food but
that is coming to an end.
Last yeer, we'un decided to get bak to thu land.
an raze r own crops...............(pun)...........terns out we did jist thet.
so............we's gro r hare long, n' started to smoke weeed (agin)
n' stole sum hoes (pun.........they wuz sum fukkin hoes) frum r naybor.....................n' they'uns din' min' beeeun stole.....hee hee hee:laughing6:
ternd ovr th'erth
an' chuked in sum seeds
punkins an skwash breeded togethr...............= sum ungawdly lookin veggy. cross tween a skwash ana germain shepherd.
plant'd taters n' they cum up beeens
plant'd beeens n' they din' cum up.
5 fukkin akers
gott wun freekin turnip
an' it's prettee much et.,
dog's lost a lotta wate.
mee two
wife's skin n' bones......................kinda looks sexy, butt she jist wants ta sleep. Sais she'd lak ta be aroused, butt ah don hav the hart ta wakerup.
CAIN'T WINN
So, ther ya go...................If'n the werld short thing hass alreddy started, I gots some slices o' turnip leff, if'n yer hongry.
Waff don' want none.....................A'm sic o' it.
...............all thet goddam werk...........one frekkin turnip...............sheeeeit..........an ah meeen it.
an raze r own crops...............(pun)...........terns out we did jist thet.
so............we's gro r hare long, n' started to smoke weeed (agin)
n' stole sum hoes (pun.........they wuz sum fukkin hoes) frum r naybor.....................n' they'uns din' min' beeeun stole.....hee hee hee:laughing6:
ternd ovr th'erth
an' chuked in sum seeds
punkins an skwash breeded togethr...............= sum ungawdly lookin veggy. cross tween a skwash ana germain shepherd.
plant'd taters n' they cum up beeens
plant'd beeens n' they din' cum up.
5 fukkin akers
gott wun freekin turnip
an' it's prettee much et.,
dog's lost a lotta wate.
mee two
wife's skin n' bones......................kinda looks sexy, butt she jist wants ta sleep. Sais she'd lak ta be aroused, butt ah don hav the hart ta wakerup.
CAIN'T WINN
So, ther ya go...................If'n the werld short thing hass alreddy started, I gots some slices o' turnip leff, if'n yer hongry.
Waff don' want none.....................A'm sic o' it.
...............all thet goddam werk...........one frekkin turnip...............sheeeeit..........an ah meeen it.
You are overlooking one important point regarding subsidies and that is that they are not needed when demand for crops increases and prices go up. In any case the farm vote from food producing states will keep the money coming, especially as the amount spent on agricultural subsidies doers not come close to the amount spent of defence.
So far as "wheat plaugues" are concerned it is hard to imagine a disease or series of diseases that would attack all food crops at once. Historically it has never happened. Wheat is not the only food crop nor is it the most productive. Worldwide that honour goes to maize.
There is no current food shortage; in fact the world regularly produces more food than it consumes. What does exist is inequality in the ability to buy food. That is why some regions of Africa are short of food; not a lack of production.
That would really be bright on their parts, look at all the farms that were destroyed in S. Africa and Rhodesia when they threw out most of the white and Indian farmers. Just create more barren land and refuges to be taken care of.
You have to read my post more carefully. Can you find any part of statement alluding to my approval of famine? The thread is about worldwide food shortages. I simply pointed out that what food shortages exist are localized, not global.
If you want my view on famine of any sort I think it is a complete abomination to have anyone in the world short of food or deprived of proper clothing and shelter while the world happily spends more than a trillion dollars a year on weapons.
Are you certain? Was it a can of Ensure?
You can claim your meal was nutritious. Was it organic? An organic hybrid tomato bred for size but lacks the full nutrient potential is still a hybrid hybrid tomato bred for size and lacks nutritional value. Same goes for meat. If it isn't raised on natural grasses and herbs while spending it's days over 4 years in the sunshine it lacks vitamin K and is lacking in all other minerals and vitamins.
You can claim your meal was nutritious. Was it organic? An organic hybrid tomato bred for size but lacks the full nutrient potential is still a hybrid hybrid tomato bred for size and lacks nutritional value. Same goes for meat. If it isn't raised on natural grasses and herbs while spending it's days over 4 years in the sunshine it lacks vitamin K and is lacking in all other minerals and vitamins.
There has never been a true famine since the invention of trade and money. 20,000 die of starvation daily not because of lack of access to food but rather lack of money to buy it.
First of all you cannot determine whether an organic tomato is organic or if it is even more
nutritious.
In BC the farm community doesn't receive much at all from government. In fact BC is at
the bottom of the list almost for an agriculture budget. In addition there is the Agricultural
Land Reserve that now has a value of over a hundred thousand dollars an acre but it can't
be sold because no one wants to buy it to farm it. In addition there are all kinds of issues
including water, and a list of other regulations. Everything from burning farm waste to the
new food safety regulations. We see the sports teams and small businesses around the
BC Place Stadium receiving nearly a billion dollars in subsidies with the construction of a
new roof, yet there is no money for the farm community to find value added products and
renewed methods of farming.
For those who banter about subsidies, well the forest industry, small business, and other
professional trades get benefits from government. The wine industry is heavily subsidized
and yet the priority on food is so low farmers are slowly producing hay rather than trying to
grow other foods because there is no return.
As the age of farmers increases it means they will sell the land to anyone, including those
from other countries. and I tell you, we will face food shortages, not because there won't
be enough food but because the food grown in this country will be shipped to foreign nations
and we will scramble to find a steady supply, what is available will be for to five times or
more the price it is now.
This is not about fear it is about having enough common sense to plan for and secure our
nations food supply.
nutritious.
In BC the farm community doesn't receive much at all from government. In fact BC is at
the bottom of the list almost for an agriculture budget. In addition there is the Agricultural
Land Reserve that now has a value of over a hundred thousand dollars an acre but it can't
be sold because no one wants to buy it to farm it. In addition there are all kinds of issues
including water, and a list of other regulations. Everything from burning farm waste to the
new food safety regulations. We see the sports teams and small businesses around the
BC Place Stadium receiving nearly a billion dollars in subsidies with the construction of a
new roof, yet there is no money for the farm community to find value added products and
renewed methods of farming.
For those who banter about subsidies, well the forest industry, small business, and other
professional trades get benefits from government. The wine industry is heavily subsidized
and yet the priority on food is so low farmers are slowly producing hay rather than trying to
grow other foods because there is no return.
As the age of farmers increases it means they will sell the land to anyone, including those
from other countries. and I tell you, we will face food shortages, not because there won't
be enough food but because the food grown in this country will be shipped to foreign nations
and we will scramble to find a steady supply, what is available will be for to five times or
more the price it is now.
This is not about fear it is about having enough common sense to plan for and secure our
nations food supply.