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MikeyDB

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Watch yourself with that "Mind your own business" attitude there Les or you'll be told that America and America alone has the corner on morality and absolute right to police the world as they see fit...

Pinochet, Hussein, Suharto, Marcos etc. etc. etc. notwishstanding...
 

L Gilbert

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Watch yourself with that "Mind your own business" attitude there Les or you'll be told that America and America alone has the corner on morality and absolute right to police the world as they see fit...

Pinochet, Hussein, Suharto, Marcos etc. etc. etc. notwishstanding...
Wouldn't be the first time I've been told that. :) It's ok. I'm a big boy now. I can take it. ;) Kinda fun to see a lack of posts after I throw little goodies like "VietNam" and "Iraq" and "El Salavador" back at em.
Speaking of Iraq, I knew that the US had given Iraq a lotta money before the WMD crap, but I just found out the other day it was in the billions.
 

MikeyDB

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OH COME ON NOW LES.....

You actually believe that the U.S. supported Saddam Hussein ...that they supplied chemical weapons to Iraq that Hussein used on Iran and the Kurds....that they were using air-strikes against Iraqi oil rigs and refineries long before the URGENCY of those invisible stockpiles of WMDs commanded and demanded killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis....?

Obviously you're laboring under the misperception that the great and noble United States of America is a two-faced lying hypocrit ...

How'd you ever get to that impression....
 

Jay

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Why bother killing Castro, he's half dead anyway.

Let's pick on other socialists that are alive and well. :wave:


:lol: :lol:


I think I'm the only one who picked up on this.....



:wave:
 

EagleSmack

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Wouldn't be the first time I've been told that. :) It's ok. I'm a big boy now. I can take it. ;) Kinda fun to see a lack of posts after I throw little goodies like "VietNam" and "Iraq" and "El Salavador" back at em.
Speaking of Iraq, I knew that the US had given Iraq a lotta money before the WMD crap, but I just found out the other day it was in the billions.

Lack of posts? In what way?

Funny when I use the word Rawanda I get NO POSTS. That was a fine operation you folks had. Pretty successful don't you think? What was the count? 800,000 or so in a few days?
 

L Gilbert

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OH COME ON NOW LES.....

You actually believe that the U.S. supported Saddam Hussein ...that they supplied chemical weapons to Iraq that Hussein used on Iran and the Kurds....that they were using air-strikes against Iraqi oil rigs and refineries long before the URGENCY of those invisible stockpiles of WMDs commanded and demanded killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis....?

Obviously you're laboring under the misperception that the great and noble United States of America is a two-faced lying hypocrit ...

How'd you ever get to that impression....
Can't remember back that far.
 

EagleSmack

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OH COME ON NOW LES.....

You actually believe that the U.S. supported Saddam Hussein ...that they supplied chemical weapons to Iraq that Hussein used on Iran and the Kurds....that they were using air-strikes against Iraqi oil rigs and refineries long before the URGENCY of those invisible stockpiles of WMDs commanded and demanded killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis....?

Obviously you're laboring under the misperception that the great and noble United States of America is a two-faced lying hypocrit ...

How'd you ever get to that impression....

More conspiracies, more flasehoods, unsubstantiated... <yaaaaawn>
 

darkbeaver

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Public service is the last thing on any politicians mind. The good of the country is right there with them. It is all about getting elected at any cost. Say anything... anything at all.

Clinton ran on "Read my lips" and buried Bush Sr. with that. Then he broke just about every campaign promise that he made. But it didn't matter as the people loved him no matter what he said or did.

NAFTA was another way to screw the common man. The GOP wanted it for years but the Dems opposed it. When Clinton came into office and supported NAFTA all of a sudden it was a great idea.

The GOP does the same thing and the behavoir of the GOP for the past few terms have been awful. They deserved to get swept out of Congress. Although I prefer a GOP candidate over a Dem I was not too unhappy to see it. Now the "dog has caught the car" and does not know what to do with it... meaning the Dems won Congress.

You are developing into a fine upstanding revolutinary freedom fighter. Don't worry about the dems lack of direction the corps will point out the right direction.:wave:
 

L Gilbert

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Lack of posts? In what way?
K I'll draw you a picture. Folks like Westmanguy like to delude themselves and convince others that the US administration is this John Wayne type dogooder that only does things based on good principles. That the US isn't invasive, aggressive, dishonest, hypocritical, etc. But they don't like being reminded of evidence that shows them to be wrong. :) The US isn't always displaying those traits I mentioned but everyone and everything can have an off day now & then and the US admin is no different.

Funny when I use the word Rawanda I get NO POSTS. That was a fine operation you folks had. Pretty successful don't you think? What was the count? 800,000 or so in a few days?
You mean this bit?
The Rwandan Genocide was the 1994 mass extermination of hundreds of thousands of ethnic Tutsis and moderate Hutus in Rwanda. This genocide was mostly carried out by two extremist Hutu militia groups, the Interahamwe and the Impuzamugambi, during a period of about 100 days from April 6 through mid-July 1994. Over 500,000 Tutsis and thousands of moderate Hutus died in the genocide,[ with some reports estimating the number of victims to be between 800,000 and 1,000,000.
In the wake of the Rwandan Genocide, the United Nations and the international community in general drew severe criticism for its inaction. Despite international news media coverage of the violence as it unfolded, most countries, including France, Belgium, and theUnited States, declined to intervene or speak out against the massacres.Canada continued to lead the UN peacekeeping force in Rwanda, United Nations Assistance Mission for Rwanda (UNAMIR). However, the UN did not authorize UNAMIR to intervene or use force to prevent or halt the killing.
The genocide ended when a Tutsi-dominated expatriate rebel movement known as the Rwandan Patriotic Front, led by Paul Kagame, overthrew the Hutu government and seized power. Fearing reprisals, hundreds of thousands of Hutu and other refugees fled into eastern Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of the Congo). Ethnic hatreds that fueled the Rwandan Genocide quickly spilled over into Congo, fueling the First and Second Congo Wars. Rivalry between Hutu and Tutsi tribal factions is also a major factor in the Burundi Civil War.
- Wikipedia
Fine operation us folks had? You think I'm a Tutsi?
 
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Well you are Canadian. The UN field commander was Canadian and they stood by and watched. Oh except the Candian General sent Belgian troops into harm's way to be massacred and kept the Canadian troops safe behind the wire. When he was asked why he sent the Belgians in his response was...

"They were the best I had."

THAT says everything.
 

L Gilbert

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More conspiracies, more flasehoods, unsubstantiated... <yaaaaawn>

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/history/husseinindex.htm

http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/ShalomIranIraq.html

http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/03/sp_world_battle022703.htm

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=us_iraq_80s

http://www.casi.org.uk/info/usdocs/usiraq80s90s.html

1981 - The US Government begins to court Iraq, holding official talks on matters such as trade and regional security.
The US is still smarting from the seizure of its embassy in Tehran and the taking of American diplomats as hostages in November 1979 following the Islamic Revolution in Iran. Attempts by Iran to export the revolution to other regions in the Middle East are also of concern. Iraq is seem as a bulwark against the spread of Iran's militant Shia extremism............
1982 - Hussein orders the withdrawal of troops from Iranian territory in June and attempts to negotiate a cease-fire with Iran. However, the Iranians continue to advance, crossing the Shatt al-Arab in the south to within and few kilometres of Basra, Iraq's second largest city, and capturing mountain passes in the north, where they are assisted by Kurds.
With the aid of tanks, rocket launchers and helicopter gunships purchased from the Soviet Union the Iraqis are able to contain and reverse the Iranians but cannot remove them entirely from their territory. Kurdish resistance is quelled by the reported use of chemical weapons and forced deportation to Iran.
Meanwhile, Iraq's armoury receives another boost in February when the country is removed from a US Government list of alleged sponsors of terrorism. Iraq is now receiving major arms shipments from the Soviet Union and France, and the US has just opened up as a potential weapons supplier........
1983 - In December the US sends a special Middle East envoy to Iraq to hold talks with Hussein. The envoy, Donald Rumsfeld, the future US secretary of defence under the administration of George W. Bush, is the highest-ranking American official to visit Baghdad in more than 16 years.
At their meeting on 20 December Rumsfeld tells Hussein that the US is ready to resume full diplomatic relations.
1984 - Rumsfeld returns to Baghdad for meetings with the Iraqi foreign minister on 24 March, the same day that the United Nations (UN) releases a report finding that Iraq is using mustard gas and the nerve agent tabun against Iranian troops.
The US State Department also acknowledges Iraq's actions, releasing a statement on 5 March saying that "available evidence indicates that Iraq has used lethal chemical weapons."
Nevertheless, full diplomatic relations between Iraq and the US are restored in November, allowing the US to provide Iraq with further aid to fight the war.
It is later reported that the US aid includes battle-planning assistance. According to a report published in 'The New York Times' on 18 August 2002, more that 60 officers of the US Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) secretly supplied Iraq with detailed information on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb-damage assessments. Satellite photographs of the war front were also provided by the CIA.
One former member of the program is quoted as saying the Pentagon "wasn't so horrified by Iraq's use of (poisonous) gas. It was just another way of killing people - whether with a bullet or phosgene, it didn't make any difference."
http://www.jonathanpollard.org/2002/081802.htm (link to the NYT report)
- http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52241-2002Dec29?language=printer

Just unsubstantiated hogwash. But that's only your opinion.
Seems the rest of the planet doesn't see it your way.
 

L Gilbert

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Well you are Canadian. The UN field commander was Canadian and they stood by and watched. Oh except the Candian General sent Belgian troops into harm's way to be massacred and kept the Canadian troops safe behind the wire. When he was asked why he sent the Belgians in his response was...

"They were the best I had."

THAT says everything.
So, what did the US do? Canada's lack of activity is an excuse for the States not even speaking out against genocide? lmao
I guess Rwanda doesn't have any oil reserves, otherwise UN forces would have been shouldered aside and the "big boss" would have taken those poor Tutsis under its wing. :roll: How noble.