When a party's values go AWOL

Avro

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Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL) called for the assassination of Fidel Castro, saying "I welcome the opportunity of having anyone assassinate Fidel Castro and any leader who is oppressing the people." At first she had denied it, then acknowledged that it was indeed what she said. Adding, "It's an everyday situation for me." (Me, I floss.)


Pat Robertson, former GOP candidate for President, called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

Bill O'Reilly welcomed terrorist attacks on the city of San Francisco.
Ann Coulter called for the poisoning of Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens. And for the troops to frag Rep. John Murtha - military slang for soldiers to kill a superior officer. (These were both "jokes," she later said. Unlike most humorists, Ms. Coulter uses footnotes and must inform audiences after she has said something funny.)
Conservative radio host Hal Turner wrote on his website, "Any member of Congress who introduces, co-sponsors or votes in favor of any such amnesty will be declared a domestic enemy and will be considered a legitimate target for assassination."
Virgil Goode (R-VA) has proposed limiting people of the Muslim faith from entering the United States, so that they can't get elected to Congress.
Jerry Falwell said that the Katrina disaster killing 1,800 Americans was God's punishment on abortionists.
Newt Gingrich, rumored GOP candidate for President, recently called for new limitations on Free Speech in the First Amendment.
John McCain, leading Republican candidate for President, told a room of businessmen, "I want to keep health-care costs down until I get sick, and then I don't give a goddamn."
Ladies and gentlemen, meet Your Republican Party.
Meet Compassionate Conservatism.
Former Senator George Allen (R-VA) insulting a young man with a racial Macaccan slur.
Former Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL). White House religious adviser Pastor Ted Haggard, disgraced president of the National Association of Evangelicals. Former Rep. Duke Cunningham (R-CA) in jail. Former Rep. Bob Ney (R-OH) pleading guilty. Former Republican Majority Leader Tom Delay under indictment.
Vice President Dick Cheney shot a man in the face, and got off not only without reprimand, but the victim apologized to him.
George Bush, in the midst of 75% of Americans against the running of the Iraq War, has called for an increase of soldiers to go fight.
There's a pattern.
No outrage from Republicans.
There's a pattern.
No memorial after 9/11. Slow rebuilding after Katrina.
There's a pattern.
No minimum wage. Under-funding No Child Left Behind. Privatizing Social Security.
These don't happen in a vacuum. There's a pattern. To all these.
Not only no moral center, no moral edges.
Given that 75% of Americans are against the running of the Iraq War. Budget deficits have exploded, and big government has grown. And no social program. What does the Republican Party stand for?
Other than...see above.
There is a pattern.
If you are a Republican, is this what you want your party to stand for?
If you are an American, is this what you want your country to stand for?
If you are a human, is this what you stand for?
Because, right now, this is what the Republican Party is. These are not isolated faux pas. There is a pattern.
Imagine the outrage by Republicans if these statements were made by prominent Democrats. Now, imagine the outrage by Republicans after these statements were made by prominent Republicans - you have to imagine it, because it's non-existent.
Maybe there's no outrage spoken because there's no outrage felt.
There's a pattern to all this. And that pattern is the Republican Party today.
The G.O.P. says it has a target audience. But who realized they meant it had a crosshairs sighted on its back?
When Mel Gibson went on his pathetic rampage, it was noted everywhere that he was drunk at the time. Unfortunately for these people at the heart of the Republican Party, they don't have that excuse.
Assuming that there is a heart of the Republican Party.

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westmanguy

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SO angry: generalizations, comments taken out of context.

This is called S-P-I-N.

Distorting facts, and taken comments out of context to make your view superior.
Bill O'Reilly welcomed terrorist attacks on the city of San Francisco.

He makes comments about the city being run by Secular Progressives.. he isn't bashing the entire group of people who live there, just acknowledging a liberal powerhouse, with many people with SP values.

And San Fransicso banned Military recruiting from their city, when they have so much ports and headquarter the military offers to the region.

He made a comment like: the military should relocate if they are not wanted in that city,

and people took that as, he wanted San Fransisco to be open to a terror attack.
 

westmanguy

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Also FYI: the USA looks like they are going to jump Democrat everyhing in '08, but guess what: Hollywood does not have the same feelings as the regular folk, and thank god for that.

When Bush is gone and we get a fresh face like Rudi Gulliani or, my personal pick Mitch Romney, then the party will have a good shot at the Presidency and maybe swiping either the senate or house back.

People hate BUSH not the Republican party.

This is one of the biggest elections of our time: '08. I don't think anyone in the USA or Canada should deny, that their is a DEEP divide in the USA, between tradionalists and secular progressives.

And if the Republicans play their cards right, they will win. Now for the Dems. I would want to see Hillaray over Obama... and NEVER Edwards (he hired anti-Christian bloggers who bashed the religion in a gruseome way, Virgin mary, male sperm...., and only fired them AFTER Bill O'Reilly go down his throat).

Hollywood is behind Obama, Obama is Health Care and leave Iraq, Hillaray is staying to the moderate.. Obama is to left. Anyone Hollywood is behind I don't want.
 

Avro

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Wow, someone who actually defends Bill O'Rielly.

....I haven't seen one of them for awhile.
 

CDNBear

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Wow, someone who actually defends Bill O'Rielly.

....I haven't seen one of them for awhile.
I had never met one, until I met west.

I'm always waiting for the crodile hunter to jump out a wrangle him to the ground then tell us all about west and his habitat, while dodging wests vicious teeth, but then I remember he's gone.
 

westmanguy

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Well guess what? I Bill O'Reilly is such a demon, answer this, HONESTLY, why does he have the #1 show in cable news and brings 20 million viewers in a regular week?

MSNBC/CNN/NBC have a left wing rule of thumb.. b/c FNC does not follow that people say: "they are conservative wacks". FNC is the only TV news outlet that has BOTH sides, and others interprutt this as right-wing.

And how come FOX News Channnel a "conservative" news source is the #1 cable news channel, and MSNBC a liberal news source is at the bottom of the barell.

Honest answers.. bash him all you want, if he so "evil" and FNC is so "evil" why are so many Americans in touch with his show and the FNC?
 

Avro

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Well guess what? I Bill O'Reilly is such a demon, answer this, HONESTLY, why does he have the #1 show in cable news and brings 20 million viewers in a regular week?

MSNBC/CNN/NBC have a left wing rule of thumb.. b/c FNC does not follow that people say: "they are conservative wacks". FNC is the only TV news outlet that has BOTH sides, and others interprutt this as right-wing.

And how come FOX News Channnel a "conservative" news source is the #1 cable news channel, and MSNBC a liberal news source is at the bottom of the barell.

Honest answers.. bash him all you want, if he so "evil" and FNC is so "evil" why are so many Americans in touch with his show and the FNC?

I blame the U.S. education system.

Even Hitler was popular at one time.....but thankfully that passed.
 

normbc9

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The two party system is alive and well when it comes to polictic and money. But never working when the citizens who depend on it daily ask for assistance. In my view the two parties are so busy being antagonistic with each other that the governing of the US is now done by those who have no concept of what the truth is or what public service is either. Neither aprty is doing the business of the people. tey are both busy giving the business to the people and expecting to be pardoned for any wrong doings they may be convicted of in a court of law.
 

EagleSmack

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The two party system is alive and well when it comes to polictic and money. But never working when the citizens who depend on it daily ask for assistance. In my view the two parties are so busy being antagonistic with each other that the governing of the US is now done by those who have no concept of what the truth is or what public service is either. Neither aprty is doing the business of the people. tey are both busy giving the business to the people and expecting to be pardoned for any wrong doings they may be convicted of in a court of law.

Public service is the last thing on any politicians mind. The good of the country is right there with them. It is all about getting elected at any cost. Say anything... anything at all.

Clinton ran on "Read my lips" and buried Bush Sr. with that. Then he broke just about every campaign promise that he made. But it didn't matter as the people loved him no matter what he said or did.

NAFTA was another way to screw the common man. The GOP wanted it for years but the Dems opposed it. When Clinton came into office and supported NAFTA all of a sudden it was a great idea.

The GOP does the same thing and the behavoir of the GOP for the past few terms have been awful. They deserved to get swept out of Congress. Although I prefer a GOP candidate over a Dem I was not too unhappy to see it. Now the "dog has caught the car" and does not know what to do with it... meaning the Dems won Congress.
 

MikeyDB

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Could one of you fine American gents tell me what's meant by "party values"?

Does that include ignoring spending money to assist the people in New Orleans...or have I got the wrong idea here...

Just seems that "values" has no place in the lexicon of politics....
 

normbc9

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Party affilaition seems to make no difference in the current US political circles. Many elected officials are now so corrupt that ebven the regulatory law enforcement agencies are afraid to take anything more than a brief look for fear there entire operating funds may be slashed to the point they cannot operate effectively. Now Newt Gingrich comes forth with hios revelations about his affairs while we were all focusing on the Bill/Monica purple dress thing. We all suspect there is a lot more to be revealed but most don't have the nerve to step forward. One thing I see with that most of the elected officials in our government in Washington is their lack of commitment to the country, honesty, integrity and willingness to work for their constituents rather than their campaign fund donors. We are all suffering because of this lack of fortitude on their part. Every attempt to reign in the campaign doantions comes to the floor many jump it to alter it considerably to allow those practices and the corruption to continue in some way shape or form. This almost a anarchy now. It may get worse soon I fear. The merging of the three North American nations is just another ploy to raid their wealth.
 

L Gilbert

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The two party system is alive and well when it comes to polictic and money. But never working when the citizens who depend on it daily ask for assistance. In my view the two parties are so busy being antagonistic with each other that the governing of the US is now done by those who have no concept of what the truth is or what public service is either. Neither aprty is doing the business of the people. tey are both busy giving the business to the people and expecting to be pardoned for any wrong doings they may be convicted of in a court of law.
Right on, Norm. Good thing the US citizenry have the Bill of Rights and the Constitution as protection against their gov'ts or else they'd be mourning their own Tienanmen Square events.
 

L Gilbert

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Public service is the last thing on any politicians mind. The good of the country is right there with them. It is all about getting elected at any cost. Say anything... anything at all.

Clinton ran on "Read my lips" and buried Bush Sr. with that. Then he broke just about every campaign promise that he made. But it didn't matter as the people loved him no matter what he said or did.

NAFTA was another way to screw the common man. The GOP wanted it for years but the Dems opposed it. When Clinton came into office and supported NAFTA all of a sudden it was a great idea.

The GOP does the same thing and the behavoir of the GOP for the past few terms have been awful. They deserved to get swept out of Congress. Although I prefer a GOP candidate over a Dem I was not too unhappy to see it. Now the "dog has caught the car" and does not know what to do with it... meaning the Dems won Congress.
Exactly.
 

MikeyDB

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Hey Les...

What do you call Ruby Ridge and Waco...or the bombing in Philadelphia a fews years back...