Wheat board monopoly to end

[petros]

Over the last eight years:

the average “applicable” rail freight rate for spring wheat has gone up about 21%
FUEL
CWB costs on wheat have gone up about 56% (including “transportation savings”)
FUEL
Grain company handling charges (elevation and cleaning, including trucking premiums paid to farmers) have risen about 9% FUEL

Why can't canola be shipped long distances by ship in mass quatity and is processed (value added) on the prairie?

I would love to be a fly on the wall listening to Gehl explain to Cargill,
Bunge, Viterra, Richardson and Louis Dreyfus that they’ve got it all wrong and
shouldn’t have built their crush plants on the prairies.

Because if they built them further away they'd have crushed seed and oil in the rail cars? Proof the writer of the CWB Monitor isn't a producer.

 

[captain morgan]

Why don't you wander on down to these big companies and tell them what is what... You seem to have all the answers.

 

[petros]

Why don't you wander on down to these big companies and tell them what is what... You seem to have all the answers.

They already know they can't transport canola over distance in quantity? Pay attention!

 

[captain morgan]

Well then, go on and provide the solution to all of Viterra's problems with a ten minute meeting.... What are you waiting for?

 

[petros]

Well then, go on and provide the solution to all of Viterra's problems with a ten minute meeting.... What are you waiting for?

Viterra knows that you can't transport canola but wheat you can. Did you? Do you know Pat?

Piss poor reseach for the CWB Monitor writer to not know that but be so highly opinionated. It's like comparing transporting apples and transporting grapes. Which can be shipped the furthest without damage and minimal handling?

 

[CDNBear]

Because if they built them further away they'd have crushed seed and oil in the rail cars? Proof the writer of the CWB Monitor isn't a producer.

1, You missed the out of sync increase in what the CWB charges v what they have to pay out.
2, You're blaming the Monitor, for what Ghel and CWB's supporters have said.

Piss poor reseach for the CWB Monitor writer to not know that but be so highly opinionated. It's like comparing transporting apples and transporting grapes.

Ya, he does know that. It was the CWB and it's supporters he was quoting that seemed to think differently.

It's funny that you didn't grasp that. Piss poor reading skills or research skills?

 

[petros]

1, You missed the out of sync increase in what the CWB charges v what they have to pay out.
2, You're blaming the Monitor, for what Ghel and CWB's supporters have said.

Ya, he does know that. It was the CWB and it's supporters he was quoting that seemed to think differently.

It's funny that you didn't grasp that. Piss poor reading skills or research skills?

You missed it not me.

Read again?

Gehl goes so far as to say transportation costs limit canola processing on the

prairies: “Whether it is wheat flour, pasta, oil sands bitumen or canola,
transportation costs have always limited what can be done with value adding on
the prairies."Perhaps he’s had his head
elsewhere for so long that he hasn't noticed that there are now ten canola
crushing plants on the prairies, processing close to half the crop - and many
are expanding as we speak.Domestic
crush is clearly a dominant canola market influence.I
would love to be a fly on the wall listening to Gehl explain to Cargill, Bunge,
Viterra, Richardson and Louis Dreyfus that they’ve got it all wrong and
shouldn’t have built their crush plants on the prairies.

Why is shipping so high for canola? CWB or that it goes by truck and not by rail? Why can't it go by rail and by ship, raw to market?

 

[captain morgan]

1, You missed the out of sync increase in what the CWB charges v what they have to pay out.
2, You're blaming the Monitor, for what Ghel and CWB's supporters have said.

The reality is that this has nothing to do with the issue... The transportability, cost/availability of transport and basic operating costs will be the same (or damn close) regardless if the CWB exists as a monopoly or not.

... All these other arguments are so far off base in terms of the core issue (ie this thread) that is laughable.

Ya, he does know that. It was the CWB and it's supporters he was quoting that seemed to think differently.

Nothing will ever make them happy... They desire the soothing hand of Big Brother to tell 'em what to do and that they are so lucky to have such an insightful and omnipotent overseer.

It's funny that you didn't grasp that. Piss poor reading skills or research skills?

Doing a little research would lead Petros to realize that my name isn't Pat.

 

[petros]

Where do I puck up my barrel of oil Capt?

Doing a little research would lead Petros to realize that my name isn't Pat.

Who is Pat? Did you research to find that out or just gum flapping and getting baked again?

 

[captain morgan]

At the lease site... Bring a bbl.

 

[petros]

At the lease site... Bring a bbl.

What grade? You'll handle all the paperwork and cost with the province and feds?

 

[captain morgan]

The only paper work will be the cash you put in my hand.

 

[petros]

The only paper work will be the cash you put in my hand.

Going to side step the taxes and royalties? Are you going to pay for the grading certs as well on that one barrel?

Damn...I almost forgot delivery. You paying those costs too?

 

[captain morgan]

You just bring the cash and a container, I'll sell you the oil... You worry about your taxes and I'll worry about mine.

So... you game or what? Obviously you think that it's impossible to do, so how about it?

 

[petros]

Oh no no no. I want it graded & shipped at your cost just like grading and shipping is my cost.

 

[captain morgan]

Oh no no no. I want it graded & shipped at your cost just like grading and shipping is my cost.

Sure, I'll do what the CWB does and factor it into the cost.

Let's see, you need 1 bbl here in AB, graded, packaged and shipped to the Gulf Coast?

No problem.... $15,000 ought to do it...... Up front of course.

 

[petros]

I'll buy elsewhere at market price thanks.

 

[captain morgan]

I don't live on the Gulf Coast. Send it without a pipeline.

I'm gonna send it hotshot.... Just for you... Cost just went up...

By the way, I can have the oil graded by 10 different, third party, arm's length groups for your comfort.... I'll need the extra $$ up front for that too.

 

[petros]

Why would you need extra cash upfront for shipping and grading? Those are included in market price.

 

[captain morgan]

"Market" is comprised of a bid and an ask...

In this case, you and I are determining the market for 1 bbl of oil delivered in your preferred scenario.