Wheat board monopoly to end

petros

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No, mostly provincial grants....but even if it were municipal taxes an urban dwellers taxes being spent to maintain a road so a farmer can use it (and in many cases it is one farmer) is a form of subsidy. Farmland is also taxed at a different rate which is also a form of subsidy.
Yeah school taxes were lowered.
 

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Voting in favour of keeping the CWB then having it yanked out beneath us by force is a free choice and democracy? Is that jaundiced or jaded?
Just undemocratic, since they conveniently left out a third option.

No, mostly provincial grants....but even if it were municipal taxes an urban dwellers taxes being spent to maintain a road so a farmer can use it (and in many cases it is one farmer) is a form of subsidy. Farmland is also taxed at a different rate which is also a form of subsidy.
I won't argue that farmers are heavily subsidized. But they do pay taxes, and services charges, albeit, also subsidized. So they do contribute to infrastructure.
 

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$2 or $5 is a ripoff. My wife can bake a loaf for about 40 cents and that's even at paying ripoff prices for the ingredients.

So? I can grow carrots in my garden for next to nothing. Do you pay your wife for her labour? Does she have to have her kitchen inspected on a regular basis? Do you own a store and have employees?
 

petros

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Just undemocratic, since they conveniently left out a third option.

I won't argue that farmers are heavily subsidized. But they do pay taxes, and services charges, albeit, also subsidized. So they do contribute to infrastructure.
Would it matter when currect votes mean nothing to Ritz and CPC? Would that choice be honoured the same way the current choice has been honoured with a great big "**** you!"?

Why should we accept a "**** you"?
 

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These roads by the way, were built with tax dollars which means the farmers were not given the bill for a road to their farm. They do not pay for the upkeep on these roads. Most of the elevators were built in towns and villages so there was no need to build a road to them.

The elevators were built on the rail lines in/around townships where there were farming operations.

On that note, while the wheat farmers were not handed the bill for road construction, neither were the vegetable farmers, hardware store operators or the gvt agents that employed the roads as well.

The difference between the wheat farmers and the rest of the aforementioned is that they were not forced to deal with only one source for their product/service (gvt agents notwithstanding).

I'm not arguing in favour of the wheat board. I'm merely pointing out that we have a cheap food policy in this country and it has, for the most part benefited the population (or at the very least, the population supports the idea). As I said in an earlier post, 80% of the farmers I know support having a choice. That is good enough for me.

We're kinda on the same page - to a point.

My contention is that someone has to pay for that cheap food policy and in the case of the CWB and Western wheat growers, I believe that they were/are paying a disproportionate share for that policy.. If I were to boil it down further, I'd say that applying that program/policy to Western farmers and not their Eastern counter-parts was a move that is more than worthy of extra analysis.
 

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The elevators were built on the rail lines in/around townships where there were farming operations.

On that note, while the wheat farmers were not handed the bill for road construction, neither were the vegetable farmers, hardware store operators or the gvt agents that employed the roads as well.

The difference between the wheat farmers and the rest of the aforementioned is that they were not forced to deal with only one source for their product/service (gvt agents notwithstanding).



We're kinda on the same page - to a point.

My contention is that someone has to pay for that cheap food policy and in the case of the CWB and Western wheat growers, I believe that they were/are paying a disproportionate share for that policy.. If I were to boil it down further, I'd say that applying that program/policy to Western farmers and not their Eastern counter-parts was a move that is more than worthy of extra analysis.
LMFAO...The elevators and rainline came long long before the grid roads. CWB returned profits to the producers. Would a private middle man do the same?
 

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My contention is that someone has to pay for that cheap food policy and in the case of the CWB and Western wheat growers, I believe that they were/are paying a disproportionate share for that policy.. If I were to boil it down further, I'd say that applying that program/policy to Western farmers and not their Eastern counter-parts was a move that is more than worthy of extra analysis.

I have no knowledge about the reason behind allowing choice in eastern Canada but not western Canada. For all I know it was like the NEP and there was a thread of common sense to it.
 

petros

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I have no knowledge about the reason behind allowing choice in eastern Canada but not western Canada. For all I know it was like the NEP and there was a thread of common sense to it.
Volume. Like I posted before Wal-Mart has parking lots bigger than ON and PQ grain operations.
 

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LMFAO...The elevators and rainline came long long before the grid roads.

Kudos... You can read... And you formed a post that wasn't only questions and deflections.

Now, all you need to do is work on interpretation.

It was never suggested that the elevators were built around townships that had roads... Only in areas where there were farming operations.

Still LMFAO-ing, or do ya feel a little stupid right about now?

CWB returned profits to the producers. Would a private middle man do the same?

Lower profits than what would have been realized.

Give your head a shake.. If the CWB was everything that you say it is, ALL wheat farmers in Canada would have been legislated to be a part of it.

You've dug your hole so deep that you can't see out of it..

Man-up and move on already.
 

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Volume. Like I posted before Wal-Mart has parking lots bigger than ON and PQ grain operations.

I understand that western Canada has bigger farms. That doesn't really explain why easterners were given an a choice while westerners weren't.
 

petros

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Still LMFAO-ing, or do ya feel a little stupid right about now?



Lower profits than what would have been realized.

Give your head a shake.. If the CWB was everything that you say it is, ALL wheat farmers in Canada would have been legislated to be a part of it.

You've dug your hole so deep that you can't see out of it..

Man-up and move on already.
Yeah I am. Rail was the road that towns were built upon. Towns are placed a specific distance a part so that a producers didn't have to travel further than six miles hauling grain by horse and wagon. That's what happens when you let private enterprise like the CPR design your province.

Where are the elevators and rail lines now?

Honest question, how are the grain farmers doing in NB?

I understand it's a much smaller market, but are they making fairly decent money?
You seem to have all the answers for my situation. Why don't you know about them?

I understand that western Canada has bigger farms. That doesn't really explain why easterners were given an a choice while westerners weren't.
Bottlenecking.
 

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Yeah I am. Rail was the road that towns were built upon. Towns are placed a specific distance a part so that a producers didn't have to travel further than six miles hauling grain by horse and wagon. That's what happens when you let private enterprise like the CPR design your province.

Where are the elevators and rail lines now?


What a hoot... There was no money to develop this entire nation all those years ago, and yet somehow, today, Petros can look back and see a 'Big-Rail' conspiracy.

This is great stuff... You ought to write a book or at least start up a website.
 

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Give your head a shake.. If the CWB was everything that you say it is, ALL wheat farmers in Canada would have been legislated to be a part of it.

Not necessarily. Some may just not like government or being told what to do even if it is for their own benefit (look at seat belt legislation) and there will always be those that feel the grass is always greener on the other side.
 

petros

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History is a conspiracy? Lay off sucking the glass dick. It's Sunday for **** sakes.

That would be dealt with if prairie farmers had the ability to truck their product down to Montana or N. Dakota
MT and ND don't have the facilities to handle CDN volumes. They'll say the samething as the Feds. **** off.
 

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So? I can grow carrots in my garden for next to nothing. Do you pay your wife for her labour? Does she have to have her kitchen inspected on a regular basis? Do you own a store and have employees?

Volume takes care of all that Cannuck, they make 1000 loaves of bread with as much effort as my wife takes for one. Do health inspectors send a bill? I doubt it. I wasn't complaining about the extra cost, I was complaining about the inflated extra cost. :smile:
But in one sense you are right, Unions have a propensity for driving up prices! :smile:
 

petros

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Volume takes care of all that Cannuck, they make 1000 loaves of bread with as much effort as my wife takes for one. Do health inspectors send a bill? I doubt it. I wasn't complaining about the extra cost, I was complaining about the inflated extra cost. :smile:
But in one sense you are right, Unions have a propensity for driving up prices! :smile:
Every item in a Wal-Mart was handled by union freight. How can Wal-Mart give such low prices?
 

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Volume takes care of all that Cannuck, they make 1000 loaves of bread with as much effort as my wife takes for one.

What is the difference in cost between your wife's bread making equipment and the bread company's. How much does it cost in freight to get your wife's bread to your dinner table. How much do you pay your wife and what are her payroll taxes like (I was thinking specifically about Workers Comp)

BTW, I make the bread in my house. Why don't you get off your ass and help your wife.