On the vanity of this conversation:
"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into." -- Jonathan Swift
What would YOU want to hear at church?
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"We despise all reverences and all the objects of reverence which are outside the pale of our own list of sacred things. And yet, with strange inconsistency, we are shocked when other people despise and defile the things which are holy to us."
Mark Twain
Mark Twain
On the futility of attempting to browbeat converts:
"I am what I am" -- Popeye the Sailor Man
"I am what I am" -- Popeye the Sailor Man
I would like to hear that they've all been closed, their ministers and priests given pensions, and the residual billions given as a hand up to the poor and disenfranchised; about whom the churches effect the posture of giving a damn.
Job training and food goes a helluva lot farther than "praying for peace - or rain"
I is what I is -- Nuggler.
Job training and food goes a helluva lot farther than "praying for peace - or rain"
I is what I is -- Nuggler.
Man's salvation on this planet comes through love of neighbour, not through appeals to one god or another.
Mankind will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
Wish I could remember who said that.
Wish I could remember who said that.
Humans evolved the ability to reason, yet so few actually use it properly. IOW, "Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believing as we already do." - James Robinson
"Audiences are always better pleased with a smart retort, some joke or epigram, than with any amount of reasoning". - Charlotte Perkins Gilman
"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." - Galileo Galilei
"Logic: The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with the limitations and incapacities of the human misunderstanding." - Ambrose Bierce
Diderot.
There are two possible outcomes of your humanist manifesto:
- If there is no afterlife, even Nietzsche realized how pointless such a pursuit is; or
- If there is an afterlife, then superficial "charity" will not be charity at all -- at best, it will be merely a distraction from proper charity -- like enjoying the in-flight movie while your jet is crashing.
I agree with all that... thanks for sharing.
- Pursuing an afterlife is pointless if there is no such thing. The purpose of life is to live it.
How true is that. Religious belief is never reasoned is it?? It is simply blind.
Denis Diderot
Can you imagine standing in the church described below and not hearing your name being called out while all around you names are being mentioned and they all herave a big sigh of relief and there your are, ...... waiting, .... for, ....ever.
Re:10:7:
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound,
the mystery of God should be finished,
as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Da:12:1:
And at that time shall Michael stand up,
the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:
and there shall be a time of trouble,
such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:
and at that time thy people shall be delivered,
every one that shall be found written in the book.
BTW you could not see any of the above if your name hadn't already been called out. I could be mistaken but I'm sure you are allowed a 'Really?" or "This I gotta see." type of thing but no "I can't believe it." type of statements. (based on God being a God who would choose the best option as far as kindness towards the sheep, with the Lamb as the head sheep so what we get is what God would give his own Son first. Sinning parents 1st, 2nd, 3rd choice not necessarily the correct answer.
Re:10:7:
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound,
the mystery of God should be finished,
as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Da:12:1:
And at that time shall Michael stand up,
the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:
and there shall be a time of trouble,
such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:
and at that time thy people shall be delivered,
every one that shall be found written in the book.
BTW you could not see any of the above if your name hadn't already been called out. I could be mistaken but I'm sure you are allowed a 'Really?" or "This I gotta see." type of thing but no "I can't believe it." type of statements. (based on God being a God who would choose the best option as far as kindness towards the sheep, with the Lamb as the head sheep so what we get is what God would give his own Son first. Sinning parents 1st, 2nd, 3rd choice not necessarily the correct answer.
LOL, Yes, I can imagine such a thing, but then I can imagine also an infinitely more advanced alien race arriving on earth's doorstep to solve all our problems. Unfortunately, I can also imagine they just might be looking for a new food source and deciding we are it.
You will never gain points for your belief by quoting a very suspect book on it. You cannot quote the bible to prove it's worth. Just ain't gonna happen.
To be equal to God they would have to raise everybody from the grave going all the way back to Adam. I don't see that as being possible by us anytime soon. More than 99% serve the 1% of today.
Aliens equal to the dead and living of the biblical god?? Nah!! Remember, those aliens most lijkely are composed of the gods of a million planetary systems, unlike our poor, nasty earthly one.
While I pay my taxes, I serve only those I wish to. That 99% may steal from the public purse at the moment, but it is a very short space between being in the 99% and the 1%. Nice thing about the human race, they do persevere and generally learn from their mistakes.
While I pay my taxes, I serve only those I wish to. That 99% may steal from the public purse at the moment, but it is a very short space between being in the 99% and the 1%. Nice thing about the human race, they do persevere and generally learn from their mistakes.
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Dunno....
I think: Church ... the promised land and angels then angles and guilt trips.
Then I see Church ... like I-Got-The-Answer snake oil
Come to think of it ... Church is a great tax shelter - Good Ol' Dough....
I think: Church ... the promised land and angels then angles and guilt trips.
Then I see Church ... like I-Got-The-Answer snake oil
Come to think of it ... Church is a great tax shelter - Good Ol' Dough....
Just the opposite, read to get the 'outline' and wait till it actually exists, ie all your dead relatives standing in front of you. If that condition doesn't ever exist then God never existed, if at some point that id seen by you then you know who is at work. The Bible is a brief description of what power is, it is not power by itself
1Co:4:20:
For the kingdom of God is not in word,
but in power.
You can even make your donations from online banking lol