What should Canada give up in new NAFTA

[taxslave]

My rational mind tells me Canada should adopt unilateral free trade and then just negotiate a deal that tries to eliminate unintentional trade barriers beyond that. But tariff and quota elimination is something we should be able to do unilaterally. Then negotiation could focus on phytosanitary and other such regulations.
With Trump in power though, my emotional side says screw him and let's just make it as tough for him as possible until he leaves office. We could go unilateral the day he's voted out of office as Canada's slap in the face.

Your mind is clearly not rational if you think Canada should adopt a unilateral free trade deal with the world.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Donald Trump says he rejected meeting with Trudeau

U.S. President Donald Trump told reporters in New York Wednesday that he rejected a meeting with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau because he does not like Canada's tariffs, NAFTA negotiating style or representative at those negotiations.

Video in the link

 

[Twin_Moose]

Trudeau says not to ‘read into’ his brief interaction with Trump at UN

(Video provided by Bloomberg)
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wrapped up his visit to the United Nations on Wednesday, and although he did not have a personal meeting with U.S. President Donald Trump, he said not to "read into it."
Trudeau was referring to an interaction between the two leaders at the annual UN General Assembly on Tuesday. The prime minister was greeting other leaders around a table Trump was sitting at, and after a few handshakes, he approached the president, who looked like he was reading notes on the toast he was about to give at the luncheon.
The two exchanged a quick handshake, but Trump did not stand up to greet Trudeau.
When asked about this during a media conference on Wednesday, Trudeau said: "I have continued to engage regularly with the president. We had a very good call just last week, we continue to have regular conversations whenever necessary, whenever we want to."
He added that he does not think "there is anything to read into it."
"I was thanking the president of South Africa for his extraordinary speech on Nelson Mandela and I moved around the table to say hello to the prime minister of Italy, and then shook hands with President Trump while he was re-reading his notes for his speech [for] the toast he was about to give," Trudeau said.
He said it was an interaction like so many at the UN, "quick but cordial. There are all sorts of opportunities for me to speak to President Trump and that was not the time."

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'If' NAFTA 2.0 proceeds, Trudeau wants to feel 'confident' on tariffs

As the Trump administration continues to link the lifting of steel and aluminum tariffs to a successful conclusion of trade talks, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canadians need to feel confident about what will happen 'if' they move forward.
Speaking at a press conference before leaving the United Nations General Assembly in New York to return to Ottawa, Trudeau said he's discussed the tariffs the Americans justify on "national security" grounds in many conversations with the U.S. president. Donald Trump insisted "a few times" that "if we renegotiate NAFTA ... there will be no need to worry about these other things," Trudeau said.
Getting the right deal for Canada, Trudeau said, "involves obviously feeling confident about the path forward, as we move forward, if we do, on a NAFTA 2.0," he said, including a "lack of punitive tariffs that we consider are unjust."
The U.S. steel industry continues to operate below its capacity, so the Trump administration believes these tariffs protect domestic jobs. They've also helped increase prices, and resulted in profits, for the U.S. industry.

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[spilledthebeer]

lets give up trudoh, and protect our economy

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Our idiot Boy Justin is merely the public face of our major LIE-beral problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The idiot Boy ins one lone voice- being followed by a substantial herd of gravy hungry aspiring dictators!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



We could dump the idiot Boy but the LIE-beral problem would remain- with a new leader and new face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE NEED TO DUMP LIE-berals ENTIRELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



There is NO REASON Canada should give up anything for NAFTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is the anti Yankee sentiments of our bigoted LIE-beral overlords that are the ONLY REAL IMPEDIMENT to a NAFTA deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



All we need to do is recognize what we need to protect ourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We need to be more serious about national security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE need to be proactive in chasing down Russian, Chinese, and Iranian spies and saboteurs who are using Canada as a back door and easy entry into United States- were they can teal technology and assorted military and industrial secrets and where they can set up[ assorted criminal enterprises!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It has not escaped Yankee notice that the worlds major supplier of Fentanyl is CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It has not escaped Yankee notice that Pacific Mall in Mrkham Ontari-owe is a major player in the counter-fitting and sale of all manner of goods that are supposed to be covered by copyright laws- that our LIE-beral overlords cannot be bothered enforcing!!!!!!!!!


This LIE-beral indifference to law enforcement is a major worry for Yankees since criminal activity can so easily spill across the border!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1



WE need to recognize the massive problem we have with illegals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The illegals are a blight on our economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Yankees are well aware that the illegals can just as easily MOVE BACK across the border to make trouble in United States!!!!!!


Yankees DO NOT wish to import spies and drug cartels along with their Cdn dairy and softwood lumber!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE need to immediately start rebuilding our Cdn military- after all it is OUR SOVEREIGNTY they are defending!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IN addition- Trump is right that NATO forces MUST be built back up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Russia is engaged in a long term game to dominate Europe- with China engaged in a similar game to dominate Africa, the Middle East and Asia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our Russian, Chinese and Iranian opponents are ALL one party dictatorships who wish to improve their situation- at OUR EXPENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!


We need to think in a more strategic way- as example- Trump was riht to castigate German leader Merkel for signing that multi billion dollar natural gas deal with Russian Putin!!!!!!!!!!!


Trump is right in pointing out that Germans are now giving Putin hard currency in exchange for natural gas so he can build up his military even further so he can threaten the world more effectively!!!!!!



WE have only to look at the mess made by Isis or the chaos in Mynamar with Rohingya, or the repression in China against various ethnic and religious groups to recognize that our concepts of civil rights DO NOT EXIST in most of the world!!!!!!!!!!!


WE have only to look at the scale and scope of Fake News flooding into the west under the sponsorship of various govts who want to damage us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We do not need to give up anything to get a NAFTA DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE need ONLY to make stronger efforts to stand on guard for Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The old British North America Act that created The Dominion of Canada - charged our leaders with responsibility for "peace, order and good govt"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals give us NONE of those things!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They give aid money to terror group Hamas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They encourage ISIS fighters to return to Canada to "become powerful voices in our community"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have turned our legal system into a sick joke- catch and release is the order of the day- with LIE-beral judges so disorganized they would actually RELEASE SEVEN ACCUSED KILLERS without a trial in 2017 alone!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals do not even give us good govt- their insane spending and deficits are killing our economy and blighting our lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even civil service union Hogs- meaning those Cdns most favoured by LIE-beral generosity- are paying thousands of dollars MORE IN TAXES than they did under Stephen Harper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are so utterly muddled they cannot even fix the badly flawed Phoenix pay system- for their Hog pals- that they simply turned on and let run- without the bother of any real tests and certainly with no back up plan if the thing malfunctioned- as it has done!!!!!!!!!!


If LIE-berals are so SLOPPY that they cannot even pay their strongest supporters- the union Hogs efficiently- then what hope is there that LIE-berals will respect the rest of us in any real way???????????????

 

[White_Unifier]

I'd be willing to accept an agreement that:

1. Guarantees Canada's freedom to unilaterally reduce or eliminate tariffs against any jurisdiction in accordance with any international sanctions.

2. Guarantees the US' freedom to unilaterally raise tariffs against Canada but only for the purpose of countering any advantage Canada may gain over the US resulting from any unilateral tariff reduction on Canada's part.

I think this would ensure reasonably free trade between Canada and the US while still allowing Canada to trade freely with the rest of the world and the US to protect itself from global trade.

 

[pgs]

I'd be willing to accept an agreement that:

1. Guarantees Canada's freedom to unilaterally reduce or eliminate tariffs against any jurisdiction in accordance with any international sanctions.

2. Guarantees the US' freedom to unilaterally raise tariffs against Canada but only for the purpose of countering any advantage Canada may gain over the US resulting from any unilateral tariff reduction on Canada's part.

I think this would ensure reasonably free trade between Canada and the US while still allowing Canada to trade freely with the rest of the world and the US to protect itself from global trade.

To bad you don’t really have a say .

 

[White_Unifier]

To bad you don’t really have a say .

What concerns me is that Trump is trying to create a 'Fortress North America' b trying to force Canada to choose between the US and the rest of the world. Canada should refuse to sign any agreement that imposes country-of-origin rules or in any other way prevents Canada from trading freely with the rest of the world.

If the US want to build a 'Fortress America.' by all means, but please don't drag Canada into it.

 

[MHz]

Canada to a US politician lies within 1 tank of gas of the US border.

 

[pgs]

What concerns me is that Trump is trying to create a 'Fortress North America' b trying to force Canada to choose between the US and the rest of the world. Canada should refuse to sign any agreement that imposes country-of-origin rules or in any other way prevents Canada from trading freely with the rest of the world.

If the US want to build a 'Fortress America.' by all means, but please don't drag Canada into it.

Well get elected , and become a Minister, then people might care about your thoughts .

 

[pgs]

What concerns me is that Trump is trying to create a 'Fortress North America' b trying to force Canada to choose between the US and the rest of the world. Canada should refuse to sign any agreement that imposes country-of-origin rules or in any other way prevents Canada from trading freely with the rest of the world.

If the US want to build a 'Fortress America.' by all means, but please don't drag Canada into it.

P.S. why should the United States or any country for that matter , accept product made in another country and relabeled as made in Canada ?

 

[Curious Cdn]

P.S. why should the United States or any country for that matter , accept product made in another country and relabeled as made in Canada ?

Who's doing that, pigs? Let's see some links.

 

[White_Unifier]

Who's doing that, pigs? Let's see some links.

He's probably referring to the fact that often parts come from all over, finally assembled in Canada, and it's hard to say just how much of it is made in Canada. country-of-origin rules just impose that much more bureaucratic red tape in hiring a team of accountants to have to calculate each part to figure out whether it meets the percentage quota.

 

[Curious Cdn]

He's probably referring to the fact that often parts come from all over, finally assembled in Canada, and it's hard to say just how much of it is made in Canada. country-of-origin rules just impose that much more bureaucratic red tape in hiring a team of accountants to have to calculate each part to figure out whether it meets the percentage quota.

Look at the sticker on a newly manufactured car. It's a bit more specific than that.

I have had the experience in the last of working for a now defunct American manufacturer for which we did all of the critical, precision assembly here in Canada (the build was too difficult for their workforce ...a common complaint in the 21st century) then we shipped the sub-assemblies down to Tampa, Fla. where they were folded into the final assembly and when it got it's "Proudly Made in U.S.A." sticker. This sort of thing is far more common than most of you would know and it goes back a good century plus.

 

[White_Unifier]

Look at the sticker on a newly manufactured car. It's a bit more specific than that.
I have had the experience in the last of working for a now defunct American manufacturer for which we did all of the critical, precision assembly here in Canada (the build was too difficult for their workforce ...a common complaint in the 21st century) then we shipped the sub-assemblies down to Tampa, Fla. where they were folded into the final assembly and when it got it's "Proudly Made in U.S.A." sticker. This sort of thing is far more common than most of you would know and it goes back a good century plus.

And I have no problem with that. I would oppose Canada telling the US that X% of its product content must be made within NAFTA countries to enter Canada tariff-free. I'd rather let US manufacturers shop around for the best deal for Canadian consumers. That said, I don't appreciate the US imposing such rules on Canada either.

 

[pgs]

Who's doing that, pigs? Let's see some links.

Look up rules of origin mentioned by White Unifier , what am I , your secretary ?

 

[pgs]

He's probably referring to the fact that often parts come from all over, finally assembled in Canada, and it's hard to say just how much of it is made in Canada. country-of-origin rules just impose that much more bureaucratic red tape in hiring a team of accountants to have to calculate each part to figure out whether it meets the percentage quota.

That is part of the problem , but not the whole of it .Steel and aluminium are finding way into America labelled as Canadian when it is clearly made in China . I believe it is called dumping .

 

[Curious Cdn]

That is part of the problem , but not the whole of it .Steel and aluminium are finding way into America labelled as Canadian when it is clearly made in China . I believe it is called dumping .

Links, pigs. Where's your proof behind the Twitter rantings of a serial liar?

 

[White_Unifier]

That is part of the problem , but not the whole of it .Steel and aluminium are finding way into America labelled as Canadian when it is clearly made in China . I believe it is called dumping .

That's one form of dumping. What we normally think of as 'dumping' usually refers to selling a subsidized product below market price. Yet if the Chinese government wants to take Chinese people's hard-earned money to subsidize the steel we Canadians consume, why would we complain about that. The country doing the dumping is actually the one that loses in the long run because it's selling at a loss.

Also, why do you care where the product is made? I'll just buy the best product for my purposes.

 

[pgs]

Links, pigs. Where's your proof behind the Twitter rantings of a serial liar?

Whatever George , who cares ? Get a life .

 

[pgs]

That's one form of dumping. What we normally think of as 'dumping' usually refers to selling a subsidized product below market price. Yet if the Chinese government wants to take Chinese people's hard-earned money to subsidize the steel we Canadians consume, why would we complain about that. The country doing the dumping is actually the one that loses in the long run because it's selling at a loss.

Also, why do you care where the product is made? I'll just buy the best product for my purposes.

Maybe because it is an inferior product.