What should Canada give up in new NAFTA

[Curious Cdn]

The biggest bargaining chip is gone when Mexico decided to make a deal without Canada.

The biggest bagaining chip is that if and when Trump slaps a tariff on Canadian assembled automobiles, his own Republican and all purpose rich guy power base is going to intervene before they haemorrage megabillions of $$$.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Trudeau, Freeland, and Wynne shouldn't have laughed in his face and shown their alliance to Obama/Clinton, and the resistance movement, their superiority attitude brushed the Don the wrong way and he is trying to make them pay.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Trudeau, Freeland, and Wynne shouldn't have laughed in his face and shown their alliance to Obama/Clinton, and the resistance movement, their superiority attitude brushed the Don the wrong way and he is trying to make them pay.

You're getting as whacking as Dznbones.

Allegiance to Obama/Clinton? WTf?

Are they supposed to give in to a mad man?

No, they should not.

 

[spilledthebeer]

You're getting as whacking as Dznbones.

Allegiance to Obama/Clinton? WTf?

Are they supposed to give in to a mad man?

No, they should not.

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AH YES- THE HYPOCRISY OF LIE-BERALS IS REMARKABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-beral prime minister Mackenzie King MET one on one with Adolf Hitler in 1936- shortly after Hitler made his Nuremburg speach about how Germany would "forge its future in blood and iron"!


And neither King nor any other LIE-beral NEVER asked: "hey, how much blood will be required"!!!!!!!!!!


But King did come back to parliament to assure his Hitler was "a basically dour but good man, bringing some much needed hope and discipline to the German people"! And King assured us Churchill was "a war monger and rabble rouser"!


And now we have Our idiot Boy doing everything he can to undermine Yankee national security!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy is not the slightest bit concerned that some of the illegals he has invited here might turn out to be terrorists of one sort or another!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I guess our idiot LIE-berals really do believe that Yankees DESERVED to be hit on 9/11?????????????


And yet Our idiot Boy and his LIE-beral moronic minions are entirely willing to let U.S. Marines and FBI defend our sovereignty for us!!!!!!!!!!



Our idiot Boy is so certain that Yankees will defend us whenever we ask that he feels free to deliberately insult them by sending his chief NAFTA negotiator Chrystia Freeland off to a Yankee gab fest that compared Trump to various third world despots!!!!!!


LIE-beral "diplomacy" seems designed to ensure NAFTA WILL DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy is willing to let us pay the economic price just so he can express his personal anti Yankee sentiments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Curious Cdn]

LIE-beral "diplomacy" seems designed to ensure NAFTA WILL DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



NAFTA should die if it's a bad deal for Canada, that is for certain. Good deal or no deal.

 

[White_Unifier]

LIE-beral "diplomacy" seems designed to ensure NAFTA WILL DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NAFTA should die if it's a bad deal for Canada, that is for certain. Good deal or no deal.

If no deal, Canada would probably be forced into aggressive free-trade deals with the world or even a certain degree of unilateral free trade on our part to compensate at least somewhat. Even unilateral free trade with the world might not compensate due to extra transportation costs to the rest of the world. If it compensates, at most it would break even. We'd end up as well off or worse off than now, and at least in the short term worst off since our businesses would need to adjust to the new rules.

No deal on NAFTA would hurt Canada big time.

 

[White_Unifier]

In fact, it might even be wise for Canada to offer unilateral global free trade and then invite the US to reciprocate as it sees fit. If the US wants to tax its own consumers through tariffs, that's its problem, not ours.

 

[Curious Cdn]

If no deal, Canada would probably be forced into aggressive free-trade deals with the world or even a certain degree of unilateral free trade on our part to compensate at least somewhat. Even unilateral free trade with the world might not compensate due to extra transportation costs to the rest of the world. If it compensates, at most it would break even. We'd end up as well off or worse off than now, and at least in the short term worst off since our businesses would need to adjust to the new rules.
No deal on NAFTA would hurt Canada big time.

A bad deal on NAFTA will hurt us, big time. We can wait. Don't fold on a pair of deuces.

 

[Gilgamesh]

It's the wrong approach to ask.. "what should Canada give up".

Canada has been as industrially eviscerated as the U.S. has been by NAFTA, FTA, the WTO and the myriad of smaller regional Free Trade Agreements that the pathetic globalist shill governments of Mulroney, Chretien, Harper and J. Trudeau have brought in. Free Trade never has and never will work.

It is a shell game imposed by global trading and financial cartels to usurp the sovereignty of nation states in the interests of exploitation of labour, profiteering of consumers and imposition of a global imperial trading regime completely unresponsible to national governments.

It is fundamentally a tyranny of de facto slavery that gouges desperate captive work forces for the grotesque enrichment of a small cabal of oligarchs; virtually untaxed by way tax havens and regressive taxation regimes.

Trade is important and beneficial, providing it is Fair Trade, conducted under bilateral agreements, equitable to both in both dollar values and jobs supported and continuously flexible and responsive to changing technological and social conditions.

Canada should DUMP the Free Trade ideology that has engulfed it, and START with the goals of developing a sovereign, integrated, national industrial economy.. full, fairly compensated employment.. and a stable currency through fixed international exchange rates, as the platform on which Trade is based.

That existed prior the descent of Canada into the Free Market maelstrom of the last 50 years, which is failing catastrophically.

Heh heh, good one. You should write for a TV comedy show.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The biggest bargaining chip is gone when Mexico decided to make a deal without Canada.

You're right. Time to get on your knees and spread your cheeks.

Oh, wait, I see you already did.

 

[White_Unifier]

A bad deal on NAFTA will hurt us, big time. We can wait. Don't fold on a pair of deuces.

My rational mind tells me Canada should adopt unilateral free trade and then just negotiate a deal that tries to eliminate unintentional trade barriers beyond that. But tariff and quota elimination is something we should be able to do unilaterally. Then negotiation could focus on phytosanitary and other such regulations.

With Trump in power though, my emotional side says screw him and let's just make it as tough for him as possible until he leaves office. We could go unilateral the day he's voted out of office as Canada's slap in the face.

 

[White_Unifier]

You're right. Time to get on your knees and spread your cheeks.
Oh, wait, I see you already did.

Please keep your sexual fetishes to yourself.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Please keep your sexual fetishes to yourself.

I will if you will. But as you've demonstrated ad nauseam, you won't.

 

[White_Unifier]

I will if you will. But as you've demonstrated ad nauseam, you won't.

A policy position is not the same as a fetish, but I'll take the deal anyway.

 

[Twin_Moose]

You're getting as whacking as Dznbones.
Allegiance to Obama/Clinton? WTf?
Are they supposed to give in to a mad man?
No, they should not.

Trump Set-up by Barack Obama Plant Justin Trudeau at G-7 Summit

“Canada’s foreign minister, Chrystia Freeland, said her country “does not conduct its diplomacy through ad hominem attacks.”
Don’t know what Freeland would call Trudeau’s ad hominem attack on Trump the minute his back was turned.
Interesting to note that by Sunday Trudeau was already mum and not taking questions about the perception that he had stabbed U.S. President Trump in the back:
“Trudeau, who had said at the news conference that Canada would retaliate for new U.S. tariffs, didn’t respond to questions about Trump when the prime minister arrived at a Quebec City hotel Sunday for meetings with other world leaders. Freeland later told reporters that “we don’t think that’s a useful or productive way to do business.”(NY Times, June 11, 2018)

There is no getting around the fact that Trudeau joined Obama’s Resistance Agenda on June 7, 2017:
“Mr Obama and Mr Trudeau met to discuss “their shared commitment to developing the next generation of leaders,” the Obama Foundation said in a tweet. (Independent)
“How do we get young leaders to take action in their communities?” Mr Trudeau asked in a tweet.
“Thanks @BarackObama for your visit & insights tonight in my hometown.”
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau set a trap for President Donald Trump at the G-7 2018 Summit, hoping its fallout would advance the lib-left’s agenda to Impeach Trump.
The only hope of taking Liberal Trudeau off track from fulling his covert Obama agenda is that he lost the entire province of Ontario one day before the G-7 summit, when the Liberal Party of his close friend Kathleen Wynne lost its official party status in an election that gave a 76-seat majority landslide election to Doug Ford’s Progressive Conservative party still being celebrated here

 

[Twin_Moose]

You're right. Time to get on your knees and spread your cheeks.
Oh, wait, I see you already did.

What are you going on about? I agreed with CC that it best to walk away and let your House deal with it, it was bungled from the get go by the Libs. not taking it serious and trying to put progressive demands into the meat of a financial deal.

 

[Walter]

I would willingly give up our current PM as part of the new NAFTA agreement.

 

[spilledthebeer]

I would willingly give up our current PM as part of the new NAFTA agreement.

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Sadly- the QUICKEST WAY to get a NAFTA deal WOULD BE to send Our idiot Boy Justin and Chrystia Freeland to Washington in chains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It would be solid PROOF that we had REJECTED the anti Yankee bigotry of LIE-berals and were worthy of trust and open borders again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And in related news- it is a HUGELY OMINOUS FACT that Obama and FBI KNEW about Russian election meddling for a YEAR BEFORE THE ELECTION .........and did nothing about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Traditionally election meddling was seen as virtual declaration of war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It suits LIE-berals very well that news media spends its time yelling at Trump over his affairs with porn stars RATHER than looking at what Obama has to HIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Twin_Moose]

Canada not making concessions needed for a NAFTA deal, says U.S.

I kinda hold a lot of stock in this as being apart of the problem

Is Canada's trade outreach to China driving a wedge into the NAFTA talks?

Donald Trump's trade representative said Tuesday that "a fair amount of distance" remains between the Canadian and U.S. sides in the NAFTA talks — but it was pretty obvious that it's China, not Canada, dominating Robert Lighthizer's thoughts lately.
"There's still a fair amount of distance between us," the U.S. trade representative said at the Concordia Summit, a non-partisan event on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York. "There are a number of things we have to come to grips with."
Lighthizer said that although the two countries are "running out of time" to send text for a trilateral deal to Congress at the end of this month, "we're certainly not going to give up," suggesting talks with Canada, "a huge trading partner of the United States," would continue even as the Americans proceed with a bilateral trade pact negotiated with Mexico last month.
But by the end of Lighthizer's question and answer session, it was evident that the fate of the trilateral trade deal isn't what's preoccupying him.
China is "a major, major threat to the future of the U.S. economy," Lighthizer said, justifying the Trump administration's escalating tariff war by pointing out how multiple dialogues with China — 68 so far — haven't worked to the Americans' benefit on everything from intellectual property enforcement to opening new markets for U.S. products.
The U.S.–Canada tit-for-tat steel and aluminum tariffs imposed earlier this summer look modest when placed beside the hundreds of billions of dollars in tariffs the U.S. and China are slapping on one another.
Canada's not on board with the American tactics against China, saying all these tariffs violate the rules for members of the World Trade Organization.
At a different New York event hosted by the Council on Foreign Relations Tuesday, International Trade Diversification Minister Jim Carr was asked whether he agreed with the American argument that China has exploited the WTO in ways that weren't anticipated when its membership was negotiated in 2001.
"Boy, I wouldn't want to agree to that without having a very close examination of what it might mean," Carr said, sitting beside Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland for the discussion.
"China is a very important economy, and it's an economy that we think has much to offer investors into Canada and the movement of goods and services between our two countries," Carr said.

Canada playing a double game?

As if to prove his point, Mary Ng, Canada's minister of small business and export promotion, was in Beijing Tuesday on a marketing mission.
"Free trade is really important to Canada," she said in an interview with a Chinese television network, reminding viewers that Canada is also suffering from U.S. tariffs.
"We have benefited from a rules-based system," she said. "It's really important for us to keep opening access."
"We've already entered into discussions and we will continue to ... find ways to work together, perhaps towards a free trade agreement."
Canada has been hoping to have it both ways — by modernizing NAFTA with the Trump administration while still expanding its trade with China.
That may not be practical. It's an especially risky strategy when it comes to lifting those U.S. steel tariffs, something Canadian officials have indicated is a precondition for agreeing to any NAFTA concessions.
"We started off originally trying to have some kind of overall agreement that would accomplish that," Lighthizer said Tuesday, when asked about exempting Canada or Mexico from the steel and aluminum tariffs.
"I think our view is now we'll turn to that as a next stage when we get NAFTA done," the USTR said, echoing President Trump's own view that the tariffs serve as leverage in the NAFTA talks.

TPP-plus

Officials like Lighthizer — who used to work for the U.S. steel industry — are determined to stop cheap Chinese steel from displacing American jobs in a U.S. domestic industry operating far below capacity.
Even after anti-dumping tariffs started limiting Chinese steel imports, China turned to other countries, like Vietnam, to serve as conduits to the North American market.
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This "transshipment" of steel was an issue when the U.S. was negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which included Vietnam as one of the 12 countries in the Pacific Rim trade agreement.
Critics said the deal didn't do enough to stop transshipment, and Lighthizer has promised that any new NAFTA deal will meet or exceed what the Obama administration negotiated, something the USTR refers to as "TPP-plus."
The Americans pulled out of the TPP under Trump, but Canada and Vietnam remain in the modified Comprehensive and Progressive Trans-Pacific Partnership now being ratified by the remaining countries.
Canada's International Trade Tribunal found in late July that China, South Korea and Vietnam dumped and subsidized cold-rolled steel shipments, interfering in Canada's market. But beefed-up Canadian efforts to investigate and crack down on cheap foreign steel may be coming too late to reassure the Americans.
Finance Minister Bill Morneau's office says Canada is still considering whether to use an emergency safeguard measure against foreign steel.
"Given the Trump administration's goal of closing transshipment loopholes, it shouldn't be altogether surprising that the U.S. is seeking for its free trade partners to apply a like-minded approach toward so-called non-market economies," said Mark Wu, a professor at Harvard Law School who studies the strategy of state-owned industries in China.
"Without it, there's the danger that foreign producers benefiting from unfair trade practices could use a revised NAFTA as a back door to circumvent U.S. tariffs."
At the moment, the U.S. doesn't seem to trust Canada's lock.

'Weirder and weirder'

The European Union and the U.S. actively object to the WTO now evaluating Chinese prices in dumping cases as if it's operating like a market economy.
But Canada hasn't joined this fight. Does it now face consequences at the NAFTA table as a result?
The talks are getting "weirder and weirder," said Debra Steger, a former Canadian trade negotiator and WTO director who now teaches at the University of Ottawa.
"This is not a free trade negotiation at all. This is the most protectionist nonsense I've ever seen."
She said she wonders if Lighthizer is pressuring Canada to stop recognizing Chinese industries as operating like a market economy as a precondition for lifting steel tariffs. Such a statement could be included in a NAFTA side letter, although side letters are hard to enforce, she said.
Doing that, she said, would amount to "forcing Canada to violate WTO rules openly." Adding text that's contrary to the WTO to NAFTA "makes it even sicker," she added.
Mexico's side letter with the U.S., which the Mexicans call their "insurance" against auto tariffs, also may not comply.
"In our judgment the WTO is in need of reform," Lighthizer told his New York audience Tuesday, adding that the WTO remains an "important body."
"Non-market economies in that structure ... the rules aren't designed to deal with it," he said.
Maybe so. But for now, it's the only structure the world's got.
Canada is hosting talks in late October so like-minded trading partners, including the EU, can discuss WTO reform proposals.
"We're very good at calling meetings," Carr quipped at his New York event. "We know [the WTO] is not perfect, but it's good and we seek to make it better."

 

[JamesBondo]

lets give up trudoh, and protect our economy