What should Canada give up in new NAFTA

[Twin_Moose]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ased-as-focus-remains-on-canada-idUSKCN1M81OE
Mexican President elect insists on trilateral agreement.

He also said his negotiations are closed he just supports Canada

 

[Twin_Moose]

Trade talks stuck in neutral as Trump 'very unhappy' with Canadian negotiator

 

[Curious Cdn]

Trade talks stuck in neutral as Trump 'very unhappy' with Canadian negotiator

Canadian negotiators are very unhappywith Donald Trump, I would imagine.

 

[White_Unifier]

Canadian negotiators are very unhappywith Donald Trump, I would imagine.

I think buying him a lollipop (sour lime flavour perhaps) might advance the talks some.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Canada, U.S. make progress in bid to save NAFTA, no deal yet: sources

Canada and the United States on Saturday narrowed their differences in last-ditch talks to save NAFTA but there is no guarantee an agreement will be forged, two Ottawa sources said, a notion echoed by a top adviser to U.S. President Donald Trump.
The two nations are trying to find a way to update the North American Free Trade Agreement and prevent it from collapsing. The 1994 pact underpins $1.2 trillion in annual trade and its demise would be enormously damaging, say economists.
Trump is threatening to impose auto tariffs on Canada unless it signs a text of an updated agreement by the end of Sunday. Washington already has a deal with Mexico, the third member of NAFTA.
In a sign of the mounting pressure, Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland postponed her country's annual address to the U.N. General Assembly on Saturday to return to Ottawa. Freeland, who has spent many days in Washington over the last month, has no plans to fly back immediately, officials say.
The two sides are talking continuously by phone and a Canadian government source said the tone of the negotiations was positive and intense.
"The fact talks are still going on shows there are issues to be settled. A deal is not necessarily going to happen," said the source, who requested anonymity given the sensitivity of the situation.
Trump's trade and manufacturing adviser Peter Navarro, speaking on Saturday to Fox News, struck an upbeat tone on the progress of talks.
"Most of the big issues are solved with Canada," Navarro said, adding it would be "a great deal for all three countries."
Trump blames NAFTA for causing U.S. manufacturing jobs to move to low-wage Mexico and is demanding major changes.
"We'll see what happens with Canada, if they come along. They have to be fair," Trump said on Saturday during a rally in Wheeling, West Virginia, complaining about Canada's dairy tariffs, which have been a particularly sore point for him.
"We've made the deal with Mexico, and it's a great deal for both countries," Trump said.
The office of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau declined to comment on Saturday's talks. A spokesman for USTR did not respond to requests for comment on the talks.

A second Ottawa source said the two sides were still trying to resolve disagreements over a dispute resolution mechanism that Canada says is vital and the United States wants to scrap.
In exchange for a compromise on the mechanism, Ottawa is set to bow to a U.S. demand to offer significantly more access to Canada's protected dairy market, said the source.

A third source familiar with the negotiations said the idea of a link between dispute resolution and dairy access was not currently being discussed.
Opening up the dairy market could cause problems for Trudeau, since the influential farming industry opposes the idea.

The Dairy Farmers of Canada lobby group did not respond to a request for comment.
Sources familiar with the talks told Reuters on Sept. 11 that Canada was ready to give the United States limited dairy access. Ottawa has offered farmers compensation to make up for conceding market share in two earlier trade agreements.

Automaker executives briefed on the plans said Saturday they expect a final deal similar to the one reached with Mexico that would effectively cap Canadian vehicle and auto parts exports at a level around 40 to 50 percent higher than existing imports.
The agreement would allow the United States to impose tariffs of up to 25 percent on vehicles above the cap. The USTR's office reached out to automakers over the weekend to seek input about how the cap will work and how the vehicle quota will be apportioned, an auto industry executive briefed on the matter said.
One big uncertain question for U.S. and foreign automakers is whether U.S. tariffs on Canadian steel will be lifted.
A NAFTA deal had looked unlikely on Wednesday when, after a month of slow-moving discussions, Trump indicated he was fed up with Trudeau, who has insisted he will not sign a bad deal.
But late on Thursday, U.S. officials reached out to Canada to ask for details of Ottawa's negotiating demands and where it might be able to make compromises, Reuters reported.
Trump is under increasing pressure from U.S. business groups and some members of the U.S. Congress, who say excluding Canada from NAFTA would play havoc with the three member nations' increasingly integrated economies.

 

[Hoid]

Trump "tearing up NAFTA" has put the USA in a very bad position.

The fact is that any deal the is agreed to has to be agreed to by the US Congress - not the President.

Canadian trade is absolutely vital to many States, and the congressmen representing those States are not going to be able to vote for any sort of deal that ruins that trade.

I believe Canada should simply remove dairy from NAFTA altogether.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Anyway, the Thread title is, "What Should
Canada Give Up In The New NAFTA?"
With trade so close that it's hard to even
measure who has a surplus or a deficit
between Canada and the USA, and this
being a Negotiation (vrs a Capitulation
like Mr.Trump seems to want), if Canada
is to give up anything, then what should
America give up in return in the nature of
balanced Negotiation?

Maybe I'm using the wrong search
engines, so maybe someone else
can try this. Search, "US concessions
on NAFTA" to see what the US is or
have been willing to give up in any
negotiations with Mexico or Canada.

All I find are story's that state that Mexico
gave up too much & Canada isn't giving
up enough. Nothing about anything that
America has meet in the middle with at all.
Is it just me? Can someone else point out
anything that America has given ground on
in exchange for what what they're demanding
others to bend on?

 

[Hoid]

Its exactly like health care.

The republicans are career opposers. Its all they know how to do.

They don't like Obamacare - but they have no clue what to replace it with.

They don't like NAFTA, but they have no clue what to replace it with.

We should do exactly what we are doing - call their bluff and let them show their hand.

 

[pgs]

Its exactly like health care.

The republicans are career opposers. Its all they know how to do.

They don't like Obamacare - but they have no clue what to replace it with.

They don't like NAFTA, but they have no clue what to replace it with.

We should do exactly what we are doing - call their bluff and let them show their hand.

Right I see our illustrious Minister Freeland has postponed her speech to the UN . She must be having it rewritten to tone down the animosity toward Trump and America .

 

[Hoid]

She has been remarkably reserved.

She must have kids of her own.

 

[justducky]

A deal is done. Person on the inside says Canada and US have come to an agreement on three party NAFTA agreement. 9:53 PM Sunday Sept 30th details unknown. CBC News.

 

[Hoid]

They probably agreed to change the name from Nafta to Trump's Really Great Deal.

 

[Curious Cdn]

They probably agreed to change the name from Nafta to Trump's Really Great Deal.

It's the bigliest deal ever in the history of forever!

 

[mentalfloss]

They probably agreed to change the name from Nafta to Trump's Really Great Deal.

All that scary talk and there are no significant changes other than renaming it to USMC. :lol:

Supply Management remains intact
Auto sector remains intact
Independent dispute mechanism remains intact

It's the same fukking deal lol

 

[pgs]

All that scary talk and there are no significant changes other than renaming it to USMC. :lol:

Supply Management remains intact
Auto sector remains intact
Independent dispute mechanism remains intact

It's the same fukking deal lol

Did you expect any thing different? All that lighting hair on fire and calling for American boycotts all for naught .

 

[spilledthebeer]

Did you expect any thing different? All that lighting hair on fire and calling for American boycotts all for naught .

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Poor LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They have put us through all this trade DRAMA just to AVOID having to do ANYTHING about our wretched national security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And now Trump has figured out- as a LOT of Cdns also have- that Our idiot Boy Justin WILL NOT be in the drivers seat after the 2019 election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy may still be prime minister- but he will be leading a lame duck minority govt- that is the BEST outcome he can hope for!!!!!!!!


But considering the MESS LIE-berals have made of ALL their policies- we can reasonably hope the idiot Boy WILL BE GONE after 2019!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So we neuter or dispose of the idiot Boy and then sensible Cdns will quickly restore NAFTA and get Cdns back to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As a Yankee- Trump knows little of Csn politics and was likely worried that Our idiot Boy represented the start of a long term trend and LIE-beral Dynasty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AS I have mentioned before- we have had reports that bond rating companies were watching our Ontari-owe election very carefully and if Wynne-bag LIE-berals had won again we would have been bombed with new fees and much higher interest rates as punishment for the HUGE LIE-beral debts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But Ford won and now bond rating services are hopeful for the Ontari-owe future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And bond rating people are hopeful- as are so very many Cdns- that Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals will be soon gone as well!!!!!



With LIE-berals and their less intelligent cousins of NDP in disgrace- we can look forward to better times and more responsible govt!!!!

 

[Twin_Moose]

What we know about the new USMCA trade deal

Canada, U.S. have reached a NAFTA deal - now called the USMCA

Canada finally reaches NAFTA deal: sources

OTTAWA - Sources tell The Canadian Press an 11th-hour NAFTA deal has been reached that allows Canada to rejoin the trilateral trade pact.
Insiders got wind of a breakthrough after 14 months of tumultuous talks and just hours before U.S. and Mexican trade authorities were set to publish their own trade agreement without Canada as a signatory.
Federal cabinet ministers were summoned to a late Sunday meeting at the prime minister's office near Parliament Hill, and the White House called its own late-night trade briefing.
Meantime, congratulations were being offered among key stakeholders who have been on the edge of their seats waiting to see if Canada and the United States would find common ground.
An agreement on how to treat the auto sector, reached this summer between the United States and Mexico, was central to a revamped NAFTA going ahead.
But the U.S. and Canada had trouble dealing with other areas in the pact, including Canada's dairy industry, its insistence on a strong dispute settlement mechanism and concerns about intellectual property and culture.
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland and U.S. Ambassador David MacNaughton had spent the day in Ottawa taking part in an aggressive, long-distance, last-minute push to get Canada into the trilateral free trade deal ahead of a key congressional deadline.
Central to the discussions Sunday was an effort to secure some sort of assurance that would allow Canada to avoid the dreaded Section 232 tariffs on steel, aluminum and auto exports, which U.S. President Donald Trump has either threatened or already imposed on national security grounds.
Canada had been offering the Americans better access to its protected dairy market in the hopes of winning American concessions on dispute settlement.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has promised repeatedly to keep the country's supply management system intact, despite pressure from Trump. The issue has also figured prominently in Quebec, where voters go to the polls in a provincial election on Monday.

 

[petros]

Trudeau doesn't give a shit about a second term. His end goal is a seat in the unelected UN.

 

[spilledthebeer]

Trudeau doesn't give a shit about a second term. His end goal is a seat in the unelected UN.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


POOR petros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He does not yet know that those who want a seat on the UN Security Council MUST PAY Millions of dollars for the privilege!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy Justin WILL NOT GET his Security Council seat because he will be FAR TO BUSY over the next year- paying our money to illegals and telling endless lies about how many there are and how many may be deported in our lifetime!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy will NOT get his UN seat because there are too many NATO allies who are already on the Council- such as Britain and United States- who think Our idiot Boy is a dangerous FLAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!



And there will be NO spare money for a UN seat since it will ALL be needed to BUY VOTES for LIE-berals so they will; have a chance to cling to power at any price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course Our idiot Boy will have to BRIBE millions of Cdns so they will not connect his idiot national security and legal system disasters with the NAFTA FAILURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Trump IS GETTING much of what he wanted already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He has successfully DUMPED tens of thousands of illegals OUT of United States- and he figures that if Cdns want them it is their business- just so long as it does not cost Yankees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Trump is shuffling around his economy so that one way or another - Canada WILL PAY MORE for national security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE have a choice- that Our idiot Boy is DESPERATE to hide from us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE can pay our own cops and military to protect our sovereignty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


OR we can pay Yankee trade tariffs and have US Marines protect us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Either way WE WILL PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But dumping LIE-berals and taking the adult road as a responsible NATION is the better, stronger and more respectable road!!!!!!!


Too bad LIE-berals are too busy exposing their anti Yankee and anti white bigotry to notice this stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are too corrupt to lead and too stupid and arrogant to follow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[EagleSmack]

Trudeau blinked eh.