i like it and say kudos and use it as well, after all didn't some one once say `you start to die the minute that you are born`...
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What makes us fear death?
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i like it and say kudos and use it as well, after all didn't some one once say `you start to die the minute that you are born`...
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Old Chinese proverb:
Heeeehooo makes love in graveyard, ****ing near dead.
To use your logic, China, if we ****ing near dead, and it is a pleasant experience, how do we know that being ****ing dead is any the less pleasant.???
Seems to make as much sense as what you've been spouting.......
:love3:It might be a "near death" experience, no fear.
8O(damn, that's deep)
Heeeehooo makes love in graveyard, ****ing near dead.
To use your logic, China, if we ****ing near dead, and it is a pleasant experience, how do we know that being ****ing dead is any the less pleasant.???
Seems to make as much sense as what you've been spouting.......
:love3:It might be a "near death" experience, no fear.
8O(damn, that's deep)
along with what a dog tastes like and how to make a herbal viagra and where the best places to stick pins in people are
hermanntrude ,
What do dog taste like ?...personally I don't know but I've heard that a British Bulldog was on the top of the list after a Peking Duck .
There are allot more ...
What do dog taste like ?...personally I don't know but I've heard that a British Bulldog was on the top of the list after a Peking Duck .
Nuggler
Nuggler ,please don't write in my threads .
Heeeehooo makes love in graveyard, ****ing near dead.
To use your logic, China, if we ****ing near dead, and it is a pleasant experience, how do we know that being ****ing dead is any the less pleasant.???
Seems to make as much sense as what you've been spouting.......
It might be a "near death" experience, no fear.
(damn, that's deep)
Nuggler ,please don't write in my threads .
MY threads?!???
you are so arrogant!
these threads don't belong to anyone in particular and nuggler can write wherever the hell he likes. I found his post very amusing and of much more information content than yours.
To find something original and true, something timeless, you cannot come to it with the burden of memory, knowledge. The known, the past, can never help you to discover the moving, the creative. No amount of technique or learning, no amount of attending talks and discussions, can ever reveal to you the unknown. If you really see the truth of this, actually experience if for yourself, then you are free of all Masters and gurus, of all teachers, saints, and saviors. Because, they can only teach you what is known, and the mind which is burdened with the known can never find what is unknowable.
Seriously WTF are you smoking?
In order to gain knowledge you must not have any knowledge to begin with?
In other to know the unknown, you don't listen to others who might know?
A mind burdened with the known can't figure out the unknown?
One has to clear their mind of everything they know in order to know the unknown?
Well doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of learning everything we've learned so far in our lives and if we just decided to forget everything we know, thus of course then everything is unknown.... so why not just turn back into infants and crap in our pants again like we used to?
Exactly how do you know you know something which is unknown, and if it's unknown and you know it, then it's no longer unknown, therefore there is nothing unknown, or else we'd know about it..... you know? :roll:
Sorry China, but you're not making much sense to me.... and the sense you do make, seems more counter-productive to our development then it would benifit us in the long run.
If you want to reformat your brain and turn yourself back into a vegetable to start all over again, be my guest, but I only have the one life to work with at this point in time and it was a bitch to get this far as it was, I'll be damned if I'm going to go back to square one and be classified as mentally challenged for my age.
I still disagree.
We have borders, different laws, different religions and cultures and we're all not the same because we grow up and are surrounded by different environmental factors, be that natural or cultural. I live in Canada because I was born and raised here, and acustomed to the living standards and ways of life that everybody else around me is used to. We have borders because us in Canada do not want to live exactly as those in Iran or the US or China.... if we did, we'd move there and contribute to their societies.
But the things you have been taught over your lifetime are not deterants for understanding spiritual aspects of life, or other levels of looking within, that is subjective to the people who you have listened to in your life and who you felt were more logical with explinations then someone else. You take these lessons and what others have told you and most.... or at least myself, I take what they say and change it around to what suits or makes sense to me as an explination, based on the other things I have been told or exposed to through my life.
If you don't like the Religious explinations of the afterlife or why were exist, then go and seek how the hippies figured it out, if not then check out the scientific explinations. No matter how much you attempt to clear your mind of all the things you have been taught over the decades, they are still there and still influencing your perspective on what you are trying to understand.
For myself, I wasn't convienced of the explinations presented to me and every single one who tried to explain their understanding of life, always had holes in their explinations or they contradicted something else..... so in the end I took all of the most common beliefs and levels of understanding and put them all together in order to find the most logical conclusion for our existence...... all from the various religious beliefs, the philisophical ones, to the scientific explinations.... I put myself into the shoes of the story tellers and the recorded witnesses in relgious experiences and I interperet their experiences to something more logical of what it could have been, based on updated understanding of the universe, and then go from there.
I honestly don't see how this hinders one's ability to learn and/or understand the things around us.
still disagree.
We have borders, different laws, different religions and cultures and we're all not the same because we grow up and are surrounded by different environmental factors, be that natural or cultural. I live in Canada because I was born and raised here, and acustomed to the living standards and ways of life that everybody else around me is used to. We have borders because us in Canada do not want to live exactly as those in Iran or the US or China.... if we did, we'd move there and contribute to their societies.
But the things you have been taught over your lifetime are not deterants for understanding spiritual aspects of life, or other levels of looking within, that is subjective to the people who you have listened to in your life and who you felt were more logical with explinations then someone else. You take these lessons and what others have told you and most.... or at least myself, I take what they say and change it around to what suits or makes sense to me as an explination, based on the other things I have been told or exposed to through my life.
If you don't like the Religious explinations of the afterlife or why were exist, then go and seek how the hippies figured it out, if not then check out the scientific explinations. No matter how much you attempt to clear your mind of all the things you have been taught over the decades, they are still there and still influencing your perspective on what you are trying to understand.
For myself, I wasn't convienced of the explinations presented to me and every single one who tried to explain their understanding of life, always had holes in their explinations or they contradicted something else..... so in the end I took all of the most common beliefs and levels of understanding and put them all together in order to find the most logical conclusion for our existence...... all from the various religious beliefs, the philisophical ones, to the scientific explinations.... I put myself into the shoes of the story tellers and the recorded witnesses in relgious experiences and I interperet their experiences to something more logical of what it could have been, based on updated understanding of the universe, and then go from there.
I honestly don't see how this hinders one's ability to learn and/or understand the things around us. __________________
Ok Praxius .It,s 10 past midnight here in China have to be up early in a morning to go to a meeting . Will answer your post as soon as I,ll find time for myself - China
We have borders, different laws, different religions and cultures and we're all not the same because we grow up and are surrounded by different environmental factors, be that natural or cultural. I live in Canada because I was born and raised here, and acustomed to the living standards and ways of life that everybody else around me is used to. We have borders because us in Canada do not want to live exactly as those in Iran or the US or China.... if we did, we'd move there and contribute to their societies.
But the things you have been taught over your lifetime are not deterants for understanding spiritual aspects of life, or other levels of looking within, that is subjective to the people who you have listened to in your life and who you felt were more logical with explinations then someone else. You take these lessons and what others have told you and most.... or at least myself, I take what they say and change it around to what suits or makes sense to me as an explination, based on the other things I have been told or exposed to through my life.
If you don't like the Religious explinations of the afterlife or why were exist, then go and seek how the hippies figured it out, if not then check out the scientific explinations. No matter how much you attempt to clear your mind of all the things you have been taught over the decades, they are still there and still influencing your perspective on what you are trying to understand.
For myself, I wasn't convienced of the explinations presented to me and every single one who tried to explain their understanding of life, always had holes in their explinations or they contradicted something else..... so in the end I took all of the most common beliefs and levels of understanding and put them all together in order to find the most logical conclusion for our existence...... all from the various religious beliefs, the philisophical ones, to the scientific explinations.... I put myself into the shoes of the story tellers and the recorded witnesses in relgious experiences and I interperet their experiences to something more logical of what it could have been, based on updated understanding of the universe, and then go from there.
I honestly don't see how this hinders one's ability to learn and/or understand the things around us. __________________
Ok Praxius .It,s 10 past midnight here in China have to be up early in a morning to go to a meeting . Will answer your post as soon as I,ll find time for myself - China
Fair enough, get some sleep... I just don't think I follow you 100% with what you're trying to explain, or I'm just not seeing how past knowlege can directly harm our ability to think originally as I think you're hinting towards when it comes to the unknown.
To find something original and true, something timeless, you cannot come to it with the burden of memory, knowledge. The known, the past, can never help you to discover the moving, the creative. No amount of technique or learning, no amount of attending talks and discussions, can ever reveal to you the unknown. If you really see the truth of this, actually experience if for yourself, then you are free of all Masters and gurus, of all teachers, saints, and saviors. Because, they can only teach you what is known, and the mind which is burdened with the known can never find what is unknowable.
I actually agree with you but what your talking about is a definite switch from the coarse of logic and reason. I think this is confusing to anyone that doesn't understand that inspiration and imagination are just as powerful sources as reason and logic. I could argue that reason and logic are just a form of inspiration and imagination but more limited in the practical. Where inspiration and imagination unburdened by the practical will reveal things otherwise not so obvious. I think such unburdened inspiration and imagination can have very impressive impact on the here and now in very practical terms. For an example of this we need look no further than science fiction. It is often very difficult to discern whether it was imagination that spurred invention or invention which spurs on imagination. Authors like Jules Vern and William Gibson come to mind as unfettered imagination influencing invention.
It is wise to use caution to prevent the imagination from running wild without the temper of reason, that is, if you hope anything to really come of it. The same can be said of science too. That if it gets weighed down by dogma and methodology thereby losing its imagination it will become only practical and nothing will come of it. IMO this has already happened in science and is the reason it does no longer discovers but enhances what is already known; such a thing is expected if the imagination has been hobbled.
Praxius
Is there anything you can do to get to know your tru self Praxius?
Sure.You want to see what you are?...look in a mirror .The mirror will show you everything about your looks , what ever ,and the mirror never lies . Life is a relationship Praxius , so there is also a mirror of relationships; your relationship to your loved ones your friends, to a tree and a falling leaf .animals whether domestic or wild, a relation you have to an old bended lady carrying a heavy baggage.You know what I mean? So Praxius you can observe yourself,neither accepting or rejecting what you see.What I mean ,don't judge.That mirror of relationship dosen't lie . It will show you exactly who you are .
The answers you are searching for Praxius , you will never find outside of yourself,especially from other people ;obviously no one lives your life ,or the other way around.We are very lazy species , we don't want to enquire , search , investigate within our self ; we want some gurus ,philosophers ,psychologists to give us a ready answers -as if they had any.They are all lost psychologicaly like most of us are.
Is there anything you can do to get to know your tru self Praxius?
Sure.You want to see what you are?...look in a mirror .The mirror will show you everything about your looks , what ever ,and the mirror never lies . Life is a relationship Praxius , so there is also a mirror of relationships; your relationship to your loved ones your friends, to a tree and a falling leaf .animals whether domestic or wild, a relation you have to an old bended lady carrying a heavy baggage.You know what I mean? So Praxius you can observe yourself,neither accepting or rejecting what you see.What I mean ,don't judge.That mirror of relationship dosen't lie . It will show you exactly who you are .
...What you have done Praxius ,you have taken someone elses projections and formed into your own projection ....you are satysfied.But there isn't a speck of truth and actuality in all of these projections .They are not what is ; look at it ,think it out ; yourself ;don't look for a ready answer .
Why would you want to do that .Beside that the shoes might not fit you , you are trying to ilumminate your self with someone elses light , the Truth .well Praxius ,that will get you no where .You have to find your own truth. And when you find it observe it ;don't try to control it or manipulate it, and perhaps then the truth will become your own Living Truth and you wont have to ask what life is 'cause you will know .One more thing Praxius ...Whenever you are truth is not- when you are not ,Truth is.
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Praxius ,
First of all Praxius all knowledge is past .All braincells are filled with past we are past and we live in past ;think it out for yourself.
The past ,which is the known is the only field where we can psychologically function ,you can only function in the known , we can not go beyond what we know.
To understand ourselves needs no authority either of yesterday or of a thousand years because we are living things, always moving, flowing, never resting. When we look at ourselves with the dead authority of yesterday, we will fail to understand the living movement and the beauty and quality of that movement.
To be free of all authority, of your own and that of another, is to die to everything of yesterday, so that your mind is always fresh, always young, innocent, full of vigor and passion. It is only in that state that one learns and observes. And for this a great deal of awareness is required, actual awareness of what is going on inside yourself, without correcting it or telling it what it should or should not be, because the moment you correct it you have established another authority, a censor.
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First of all Praxius all knowledge is past .All braincells are filled with past we are past and we live in past ;think it out for yourself.
The past ,which is the known is the only field where we can psychologically function ,you can only function in the known , we can not go beyond what we know.
To understand ourselves needs no authority either of yesterday or of a thousand years because we are living things, always moving, flowing, never resting. When we look at ourselves with the dead authority of yesterday, we will fail to understand the living movement and the beauty and quality of that movement.
To be free of all authority, of your own and that of another, is to die to everything of yesterday, so that your mind is always fresh, always young, innocent, full of vigor and passion. It is only in that state that one learns and observes. And for this a great deal of awareness is required, actual awareness of what is going on inside yourself, without correcting it or telling it what it should or should not be, because the moment you correct it you have established another authority, a censor.
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Scott Free , Thanks SF for a wonderful post. I,m happy that there are some who like to think things out for them self not only relying on one point of view.Thanks again.