What is the purpose of our lives?

SirJosephPorter

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As far as I am concerned, there is no purpose for life, we are the product of random chance, of evolution, natural selection.

Now, could there be something out there beyond our comprehension, some kind of afterlife, some kind of Heaven and Hell? Sure, it is possible.

However, it is meaningless to talk about them if we cannot perceive them, detect their presence. If we are talking about something beyond our comprehension (as Heaven and hell supposedly are), then one can postulate just abut anything and everything, believe in anything, there is nothing and nobody to contradict that belief.

For instance, I have descried Applism before. If people believe in Christianity, in Heaven and Hell, why not belief in Applism? Applism is as valid as Christianity or Islam; it has as much evidence in its favour as Christianity or Islam does (i.e., none).
 

scratch

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In my opinion, one makes the best of the time that one has here, and then dies.
 

Cliffy

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"We are born and die, everything else in between is just entertainment" - Reuben

"If god did LSD, would he see people?" - George Carlin

Does a universe exist if there is no intelligent lifeform to observe it?


"If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman around, is he still wrong?" - I forget.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Cliffy, 'life,what is it but a dream' Lewis Carroll.

He makes this profound statement in Through the Looking Glass. Towards the end of the book, Alice asks herself ‘did all this really happen, or did the red king dream it all up?’ The red king does nothing throughout the whole story, except sleep and dream.
 

Socrates the Greek

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To exist is to change, to change is to mature, to mature is to go on creating oneself endlessly. Henri Bergson.
 

darkbeaver

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“The greatest purpose in life is to scatter your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.”
Genghis Khan quote
 

sel1234

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The basic thing the world (including ourselves) requires is LOVE. Only with God it is possible.
 

Cliffy

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The basic thing the world (including ourselves) requires is LOVE. Only with God it is possible.

sel1234,

and why is that? Most on here do not believe in god. How do you explain Love by mentioning someone who others think is fiction? We need a tangible explanation that doesn't require a leap of belief.
 

scratch

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Aptly put but a lot of work has to done to achieve your goal.

rgs
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look3467

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The purpose of life is to find out what we are going to do with it!

A Given: Knowledge to decipher right from wrong doing, via the conscience which is in all of us. To what degree is the question?

Time and chance determine the degree of knowledge and the experience determines our spiritual state, proportionately.

Sanctus, I agree with about 90% of what you said except for the eternal judgment factor.
There was one individual who was judged in our stead for the express purpose of eliminating the eternal separation factor, which is spiritual death.

He was the white throne judgment spoken of in REV 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Our judgment in the now, here, on earth at this time based on our works of good or evil.

Salvation from eternal separation has been established and granted us as a free gift from God in Jesus.

Our goal, should we decide to indulge in it, is to love God and our neighbor as He loved us!

Non believers are not expected to comply because they are separated spiritually from God as is the current status of the world in whole is except for those who have accepted the free gift and become believers.

We can’t force a horse to drink water, but we can lead it to water, whether it’s thirty or not is not our choice.

I did notice that the majority of the responses to your thread have been non believers.

Perhaps, some will give it a thought and just maybe, give God a chance.

Peace>>>AJ
 

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One does not need to believe in a deity to be "in love". The basic foundation of the Universe is energy. That energy is neither good or bad, positive or negative. It just is. But it sustains life and it holds everything together. It is benevolent in a non-judgmental way, and that energy, that force is Love. It is what people have tried to personify as god - god is love.

So one can see love in everything, can feel love in everything without believing in a deity because science has taken the observation of energy and replaced the superstition of outside forces acting upon us. Evil exists only in the minds of men who judge their thoughts and deeds as wrong. That is the separation.

We have been taught by religion that god is separate from us, That by a shear act of belief, we can be rejoined with god. But we are not and never could have been separate because the energy that flows through us, that binds us is the same energy that flows through and binds the Universe together. There is no separation except in the minds of man. All one needs to do is understand the simple principles of science to see that religion has pulled a veil over our eyes and blinded us from the truth - we are an intrinsic part of the whole the same way a skin cell is a part of our body.
 

look3467

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One does not need to believe in a deity to be "in love". The basic foundation of the Universe is energy. That energy is neither good or bad, positive or negative. It just is. But it sustains life and it holds everything together. It is benevolent in a non-judgmental way, and that energy, that force is Love. It is what people have tried to personify as god - god is love.

So one can see love in everything, can feel love in everything without believing in a deity because science has taken the observation of energy and replaced the superstition of outside forces acting upon us. Evil exists only in the minds of men who judge their thoughts and deeds as wrong. That is the separation.

We have been taught by religion that god is separate from us, That by a shear act of belief, we can be rejoined with god. But we are not and never could have been separate because the energy that flows through us, that binds us is the same energy that flows through and binds the Universe together. There is no separation except in the minds of man. All one needs to do is understand the simple principles of science to see that religion has pulled a veil over our eyes and blinded us from the truth - we are an intrinsic part of the whole the same way a skin cell is a part of our body.
You are correct in your understanding by me, as to love.

The separation lies in the fact that we are like that energy you described in everyway, or as in the likeness of.

It is my understanding that there can be but one energy that is an overseeing force that binds all and not many.

There in lies the separation that can only be united by, in and under that one force only and in which the way, path having been provided by same.

The way the path to that unification has absolutely nothing to our credit, but simply as a gift given by that force which I understand it to be God.

Peace>>>AJ

 

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We have been created to know God, to love Him and to serve Him; so that we can merit to enjoy Him in eternal life.
Everything has a purpose in life. God created the Heavens and the earth to show us His Magnificence, His Power and Majesty and to draw our attention to Him the Creator, not to His Creation. Unfortunately we neglect God, turn away from His Presence and live most of our lives for ourselves only [2 Chronicles 29:6].
A hammer is designed to hit nails, a microphone is made so that we can speak into it. Now, imagine that you start hammering nails with a microphone or that you speak into the hammer? Ridiculous, funny, stupid or whatever you want to call it, it is simply wrong.
We have been created for the purpose of being drawn back into God, but when we separate from Him things go wrong in our lives. We start complaining because we don't find any purpose in life. If we were washing machines, there would be instructions on how to operate these machines and we would read them. If something went wrong, we would go to an approved washing machine mechanic in order to be fixed properly. Now since we are children of God, is it not appropriate that we come to Him whenever something goes wrong in our lives? But is it fair to come to Him only when we need Him? [Joel 2:12] Are we then supposed to have a better relationship with Him who has created us, who loves us, who cares for us and who is calling us for eternal joy in Him?
Praise and Worship

We are thankful to people here on earth because they are good to us and help us, people are instrumental in our lives for our happiness. Should we not begin to realise how much we owe God, how much He cares for us every instant, keeping us alive and giving us love through others?
We must contemplate the Majesty of God, we must praise Him for His works of creation, we must praise Him for His Power and Glory, we must praise Him for for Infinite Love and Mercy. [Psalm 146]
Praised be God the Father Almighty in His Supreme Power and Will, who by His divine design runs the universe.

Praised be Jesus Christ, the Eternal Word of God, made flesh by whose Word everything has been created, who came to save us from death.

Praised be God the Holy Spirit, who sustains the universe by the Power of His Love, who has come to dwell in our hearts in order to make us know, love and serve Him.
Glory be to the Father, to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning it is now and ever shall be world without end. Amen.
To worship God in a very profound act of praise and thanksgiving, is to love Him for what He is, to give ourselves totally to Him.
The seraphim, the highest hierarchy of angels are also called the burning ones because they burn continuously with love for God. In the book of Isaiah [Isaiah 6:3] they are seen as continuously worshipping God and they say : Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord, Heaven and earth are full of His Glory.
It is as if by declaring the holiness of God, we can also become holy.
If we put our hands in water, we get wet; if we put them in fire we get burned, if we are in darkness and we come to the light, we can see. So if we come before the Presence of God in Praise and Worship, God reflects His Glory upon our souls and we experience a tremendous Peace in our hearts, we feel the joy of knowing that God is responding to our Love and we satisfy the yearning of our souls. As we come to God in our emptiness, He will replenish us with His riches, as we come to Him in our darkness, He will bathe us in His Light, as we come to Him in our sinfulness, He will cover us with His Grace. We never come back from God empty handed because He is Love and Love is continuously burning like a fire [ Hebrews 12:29] reaching out with its flames of purity and perfection.
Prayer, praise and worship lead us into contemplation of God, who is always knocking at our doors [Revelation 3:20]. There are many prayers to be prayed, but none as beautiful as the ones coming from our own spirit, since the Lord wants us to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth [Romans 8:26-27]. We can also read the Psalms and sing songs of praise to God. As we respond to His call, our souls are beautified and made holy.
The greatest act of worship that we can do is to receive Jesus in the Sacrament of His Presence, the Holy Eucharist. There is no greater offering to God the Father than His Son, and this is our offering to God when we receive Jesus [Hebrews 13:15].
We can then worship His Presence within us as we become tabernacles of the divinity and by living in His Presence we are sanctified. We can also adore Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament of the Altar as we yearn to possess Him within us.
We also worship Jesus as we meditate His passion during the Stations of the Cross, or as we pray the Holy Rosary which contains the complete life, death, resurrection and Glory of Jesus in the company of His mother.
What is our future after death?

We only die once, after death comes judgement [Hebrews 9:27], and may these words of God erase that theory of Re-incarnation for good.
Our future depends on our present. Just as people invest money, time and efforts into the things of the future, we must invest our short lives in preparation for that great eternal life. What is 60 or 80 years or more if the Lord gives us more time compared to eternity? It is not even like a grain of sand compared to the universe, because we don't even have the knowledge to understand and measure creation. Only God knows; but in humility we can just ponder and understand that we would be fools not knowing how to choose well between life and death [Deuteronomy 30:19].
Not that we really die when we die [John 12:24], because the spirit is immortal and if we have to face judgment, we must strive to live a holy life in order to avoid eternal condemnation.
[John 5:24] Amen, amen I say unto you, that he who hears my word, and believes him that sent me, has life everlasting; and comes not into judgment, but is passed from death to life.
Those who live by the Word of God are judged already, and Jesus did not come to the world to condemn but to save us [John 12:47] .
If we live and die in God, we will be raised in Him and we will live eternally in Him.
Let us despise the world for God's sake and live a holy life, not just for the rewards offered but because this is "God's call to be holy".
Blessed are those who put their trust in the Lord [Jeremiah 17:7]


To love and serve the Lord and be a witness onto others?
 

mangy dog

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simpler than you think

Without us the universe does not exist. It's like the old question "If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear. Does it make a sound?" Does a universe exist if there is no intelligent lifeform to observe it?


God sustains everything in existence with His very word.

The events of the forest and the universe are not dependent on you or I being there... because God is everywhere.

Neither you nor I counseled God when He was creating all that is seen and unseen.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.
 

mangy dog

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But the point is it would make a sound, whether heard by a man or not. There is a danger in most of our limited thinking that would have everything in the world succomb to our understanding before being accorded validity. How arrogant of
mankind to assume it must be the centre of all that there is!


There is an order and a rythm and a law to God's creation.

Following the logic of this topic... it would be a hollow mockery to posit that a tree would not make noise if it falls and no one is around to hear it. Rediculous.

God does not suspend the laws of nature just because there is an absence of human witnesses or any other witness.

The Father created everything through, with and in HIs Son Jesus Christ. So you would be correct to say that we are not the centre of creation. However, The Word became flesh and lived among us! In so doing, Jesus conciled our fallen nature with the Father, elevating us from status of creatures to the status of sons and daughters!

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.