What does it mean to be Canadian outside Canada?

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Aug 12, 2009 01:27 PM
John Goddard
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Canada's indifference toward Suaad Hagi Mohamud surfaced again today with officials denying her request for identification papers and other help.
"I've got nothing," she said by phone from Nairobi, Kenya, two days after DNA tests validated identity claims she had been making for nearly three months.
Her situation is desperate, she says.

With nothing to show she is in Kenya legally after Canada voided her Canadian passport on May 22 — and her Kenyan visitor's visa — she remains vulnerable to arrest and jail by Kenyan authorities, she said.

For weeks, she has been holed up under 24-hour guard paid for by a non-governmental charity, Ecoterra International, in fear for her safety.
Today's experience at the Candian high commission put her no further ahead, a friend helping Mohamud, who asked not to be named, said by phone from Nairobi.
Mohamud sat next to him as he spoke and afterward confirmed the details.
"(The Canadian high commission) called this afternoon saying she had to come," the friend said, meaning the high commission turned down her request to send somebody to her.

"I had to drive her myself because her lawyer was not available."
When they arrived, a consular official on the job for three weeks was assigned to the case. He appeared to have no authority and appeared to be acting from a script, the witness said.

Mohamud filled out forms and had her picture taken.
Asked if he might issue identification papers or some type of laissez-passer, the consular official said no. Mohamud would be issued travel papers but only on the day she leaves the country, the official said.

Mohamud remains stuck in Kenya until the Kenyans drop unfounded charges against her. The charges were prompted by the Canadian high commission's May 28 conclusions about her that she was misrepresenting herself — conclusions now proved false.

In Toronto, lawyer Raoul Boulakia has filed a motion in federal court trying to force Ottawa to ask the Kenyans to drop the charges. His case is to be heard tomorrow.

Kenyan bail money remains another outstanding matter. In June, Mohamud's mother put up $2,500 (U.S.) to get Mohamud out of a Kenyan jail after eight days.

Asked whether Canada might forward Mohamud the money and get it from the Kenyans later, the Canadian consular said no - she must stay until Kenyan authorities pay back the money.

"Usually, the Kenyans don't like to pay back bail very quickly," the witness said.
Even packing for her trip home could be a problem, Mohamud said.

During her nearly three-month ordeal, she at one point rented a room in a Nairobi slum. When she couldn't meet the rent, the landlord seized her luggage.
To retrieve it, she will have to pay the back rent but the Canadian high commission refused a request to help, the witness said.

In Ottawa, a foreign affairs spokesperson would say only: "There are several steps that need to be gone through before a travel document can be issued."

What is the deal with the Canadian government? What should you expect when outside the country in terms of assistance from the government in a situation like this?
 

karrie

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What a pathetic situation.

I'd expect a lot more from government officials in her position. But, at the same time, I'm completely unsurprised that she's in the dilemma she's in... the government just doesn't seem to view all Canadians the same way it views white ones (and I am jumping to a bit of a conclusion based on her name). There is so much more suspicion and foot dragging.
 

karrie

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How many of these people are citizens of convenience?


'these people'?

Each case is individual unless you get into a refugee situation where dozens are wanting evacuation at once. Considering that she was in Kenya on a visa, and returning to Canada, holding a Canadian passport, that doesn't sound like a citizen of convenience.... that sounds like an honest to goodness citizen who was away visiting family, or perhaps going to school (I have Canadian friends who go away for field schools every summer in Kenya).

Citizens of convenience are those who live elsewhere on a permanent basis and return to Canada only in times of strife.
 

Nuggler

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It means you better freakin well look like the picture on your passport; be white, or both.

That aside, the straightarm she was given by the cons is exceeded only by the one she probably would have got from the libs.

But:...............since she proved her DNA makes her the mother of her son, she's apparently coming home.

Not to be left out, Dalton (provincial lib), managed to get his knickers in a knot.

Too rich:

McGuinty: 'No excuse' for Ottawa's failure to help stranded woman
 

lone wolf

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'these people'?

These people ... you know, the ones whose names aren't Jones or Smith, who have so much trouble in countries where their names are common. There is a lot to being a Canadian citizen that never gets put in the paper ... like where were they born, why did they leave, why are they in that country - like that 15-year-old bomb maker. It may be just a few who use their Passport like a get-out-of-jail-free card - but they leave their mark on so many people going for an honest vacation.
 

FiveParadox

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That’s an absolutely disgusting generalisation.

As far as I’m concerned, if they are a Canadian citizen, damn any other labels that they may have—they deserve the assistance and support of Her Majesty’s Government for Canada, because that is what a decent nation ought to do. If they’ve been accepted for citizenship, and they’ve made the oath, then they are a citizen and they are entitled to the entire protection of a sovereign Canada and the Government thereof.
 

DurkaDurka

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That’s an absolutely disgusting generalisation.

As far as I’m concerned, if they are a Canadian citizen, damn any other labels that they may have—they deserve the assistance and support of Her Majesty’s Government for Canada, because that is what a decent nation ought to do. If they’ve been accepted for citizenship, and they’ve made the oath, then they are a citizen and they are entitled to the entire protection of a sovereign Canada and the Government thereof.

Even the freeloaders who revealed them selves during the last Lebanon war? Begging to be evacuated only to return to Lebanon when the fighting ended.
 

lone wolf

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That’s an absolutely disgusting generalisation.

As far as I’m concerned, if they are a Canadian citizen, damn any other labels that they may have—they deserve the assistance and support of Her Majesty’s Government for Canada, because that is what a decent nation ought to do. If they’ve been accepted for citizenship, and they’ve made the oath, then they are a citizen and they are entitled to the entire protection of a sovereign Canada and the Government thereof.

Yeah ... it's an absolutely disgusting generalization. Stereotypes and profiles are like that ... and one of the reasons people with surnames like Smith and Jones aren't delayed and detained in the same manner as people with names like Mohammed.

Do you profess that it's perfectly alright for someone to escape persecution offshore to refugee status then citizenship on these shores then return to the old hood with chip on shoulder and Passport in pocket?
 

dumpthemonarchy

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It means you better freakin well look like the picture on your passport; be white, or both.

That aside, the straightarm she was given by the cons is exceeded only by the one she probably would have got from the libs.

But:...............since she proved her DNA makes her the mother of her son, she's apparently coming home.

I saw her picture on TV on the passport, it was very dark. Problem is, in many embassies around the world, they hire local people because they are cheaper for clerical work, so they might not always look too hard or care about you. In Somalia, Ethiopia, there are wars going on there and local prejudices exist and New Canadians may be punished because what is okay in Canada is not okay in other countries.

Clear evidence against permitting some people, like Muslims, for example, who want their face concealed on their passport. Clear photos, end of story. Govt saves money and trouble.
 

Nuggler

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:banghead: But; what is particularly infuriating, at least to me, is that prior to Harpo and the knuckle draggers admitting that, well, maybe the gal is who she says she is, and we'll actually do something to help her..........................instead of getting her arrested in Africa:::!!!

PRIOR TO THAT!!!! Dalton McGuinty said or did dick shyte to assist the lady or to criticize the Cons. NOW, after the leg work is done, he wants eveyone to know how nasty the cons are.....................get stuffed, Dalton.

Telling Harpo to get stuffed, of course, goes without saying......:evil4:

Inept buffoons, all of them.
 

Unforgiven

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Hey folks, get your coin purse out!

Supporters call for public inquiry and apology from federal government

Aug 21, 2009 11:04 AM

Robert Benzie
Queen's Park Bureau Chief

A Toronto woman detained in Kenya for three months after officials doubted her identity is suing Ottawa for $2.5 million and demanding an independent inquiry.
Suaad Hagi Mohamud, 31, endured a "Kafka-esque nightmare" when KLM airline and Kenyan government officials said on May 21 she did not look like the photograph in her Canadian passport.

Mohamud, whose ordeal included nine harrowing days in a Nairobi jail, said today that she "thought my government would back me up."

"I was alone when my government let me down," she told a Queen's Park news conference.

It was only through the tenacity of lawyer Raoul Boulakia and a series of stories by Toronto Star reporter John Goddard that she able to return home last Saturday to her 12-year-old son.

"I don't care about money. I'm only going to court so this will not happen to another Canadian," she said.

Her new civil litigator, well-known lawyer Julian Falconer, said she deserves compensation and an explanation – through an independent public inquiry – for the "callous, incompetent, and reckless behaviour on the part of government officials."

Falconer said the single mother, who earns $11.75 an hour working overnights in quality control for a courier company, had her "identity stolen from her", like something out of a Franz Kafka novel.

"I've never seen anything like this," he said.

Boulakia, who obtained DNA from Mohamud's son Mohamed Hussein to prove her identity, said it's "absurd" the way Canadian diplomats in Nairobi treated her.
Aside from money and an inquiry, she is seeking a personal apology from Prime Minister Stephen Harper, whose government has been pilloried from coast to coast for bungling her case.

NDP MPP Rosario Marchese (Trinity-Spadina), who sponsored today's press conference, said he would be tabling a motion in the Legislature when the House resumes Sept. 14 calling upon Ottawa to launch an inquiry.

Marchese said he was hopeful the governing Liberals and opposition Progressive Conservatives would make it a unanimous call from Ontario lawmakers.

Liberal MP Bob Rae (Toronto Centre-Rosedale) said what happened to Mohamud is "inexplicable."

"Something clearly went very, very wrong," said Rae.
 

Nuggler

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Liberal MP Bob Rae (Toronto Centre-Rosedale) said what happened to Mohamud is "inexplicable."

"Something clearly went very, very wrong," said Rae.""


Robbin Bob always did have a fine command of the obvious.

Neither Bobber or McLiar opened their yaps in protest until it was OVER.

SCUMSCUMSCUMSCUMSCUMSCUM.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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Three years in Canada is way to short to get citizenship. We are giving away something extremely valuable for far too little. Anyone can become a Canadian citizen but I think it requires a 7-10 year residence in the country. Becoming a Canadian requires commitment. That would eliminate many citizens of convenience like the ones from Lebanon and those using Canada as a base for their political activities.
 

Trex

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To answer the question posed by the thread starter.
It means you get represented by a truely inadequate and poor foreign service.

Most people here know I live in Canada but work in other countries.
I spend close to 6 months a year living outside Canada.
And I have done so for almost 15 years.

It's common knowledge amongst expierenced repeat travelers and expats that Canada's foreign service and embassies range from lame to useless.
Those in the know have always recommended Canadians in a foreign pickle should always take a crack at begging the local British Embassy for advice or assistance.

I could tell stories about the incompetence of Canadian embassy staff for days on end.
I was once asked by an unnamed Canadian Government worker to "pop in and scout out" a Canadian foreign development office in an unnamed country.
Utterly and completely useless was my assesment.
Canadian tax dollars were funneled into the pockets of foreign citizens with no benifits at all to Canadians.

The Americans rightly or wrongly train their foreign service staff to a high degree and demand both expierence and results .
And yes American embassies shelter analysts and CIA officers.
And yes they are all there to forward the goals of the current American administration.
The same attitude and training goes for the Brits, the French, the Dutch, the Russians and so forth.

Canadian consular staff are a little different.
Canadian foreign service has always been seen as a perk for "friends of the Canadian government".
Appointments are made by the government of day on the basis of just rewards to good friends.
Lower level Canadian foreign service appointments are more of a "who you know or who your family is connected too affair" .
As a result Canadian consular staff are pretty much on an all expenses paid extended vacation in foreign climes.
And can tend to be pretty much utterly usless if you happen to really get into a pickle in a foreign country.

I remember an early 30's Canadian embassy official who lived down the street from me in an unnamed Carribbean country.
She wired a cardboard sign to the front gate of the local embassy office which she ran.
It said: if you lost your passport I cannot help.
If you have been robbed I cannot help.
If you are in trouble with local police I cannot help.
If you need any assitance please contact the main embassy for help.
They are locate in x city and this here is their phone number .

Pretty handy huh?
She was however a total hotty.
Had a great tan.
She was Quebecois and spoke virtually no English to boot.

So that about sums up Canada's foreign service officials.

Blame the Liberals as they are the ones who turned the Canadian foreign service into a pork filled playground for Liberal hacks.

But don't get me wrong.
That doesnt excuse the Con's from the job of cleaning it up and fixing the problem.
Contact your local Fed MP and complain about the state of Canada's foreign service.
It badly needs to get fixed.

Trex
 

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I remember my first trip to China, the person we dealt with in the Canadian embassy was a nice young girl from Belgium. Apparently, there weren't many Canadians interested in working there.
 

Trex

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I remember my first trip to China, the person we dealt with in the Canadian embassy was a nice young girl from Belgium. Apparently, there weren't many Canadians interested in working there.

^Case in point.
Diplomatic postings are universally considered to be absolute plums and future career makers.
You have to ask yourself what the hell a "nice young girl from Belgium" was doing representing Canadian interests.

And I am not in any way knocking her or the job she did.
She probably did do a good job.

But I feel its high time we started traing and appointing a few skilled and effective Canadians to the postions.

Trex