Whatever would be the most democratic representation is what we should always continue to strive for.
What did we do? Harper Majority!!
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Whatever would be the most democratic representation is what we should always continue to strive for.
There are problems with proportional representation in that the # of options is limited only by the # of parties/perspectives that run a campaign. Further, what good is it if the a (minority) voice has essentially no affect in the house?
At some point, there has to be a common characteristic that defines a party that is not fully representative of each and every individual's perspective... Herein lies the reason that the party with the majority vote should lead gvt..
You really ought to set up in Greece... It is your ideal society, is it not?
Forget prop rep, nothing is going to happen in at least 50 yrs.
Everybody wants a change after they have lost to figure out out how they can change the system to make them a winner next time. Forget it, it aint going to happen, learn to live with the results that you have before you!!
Everybody wants a change after they have lost to figure out out how they can change the system to make them a winner next time. Forget it, it aint going to happen, learn to live with the results that you have before you!!
the reality is Harper has a massive majority
and Jack can stand up, wave his cane and tap dance all day. He has no control over what ever policies Harper wants to force down the throats of Canadians.
With a minority government, we had checks and balances in order to control Harper's stupidity.
and Jack can stand up, wave his cane and tap dance all day. He has no control over what ever policies Harper wants to force down the throats of Canadians.
With a minority government, we had checks and balances in order to control Harper's stupidity.
Your right, Jack had more control before with less seats.
Now he is going to be just a "taker"!
Of course. I'm just saying that Harper should have treated the Bloc with more respect as democratically elected MPs. Again, the Conservatives were not the only guilty parties for this lack of decorum. Generally speaking, the vitriol spewed from all sides of the House. That has got to change.
List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
look at Canada moving down the HDI because of the neanderthal Conservatives
look at Canada moving down the HDI because of the neanderthal Conservatives
Well, actually....it is.
It is called "first past the post', and it certainly has its flaws............but it is democracy, one riding, one representative of the people of that riding.
I am amazed at how upset people are suddenly, when the Liberals ruled through two majorities with significantly LESS than 40%.......but I would be very happy to see a preferential ballot in place.
As for the Liberal/NDP whiners.....guess you should have voted Reform back in the day, huh?
We would have fixed that.
Harper sent a pretty strong message in deciding to not pander to their greed... Hopefully this will translate into fewer bribe-dollars finding their way to the belle province.
Did you notice the USA is number four???
Something to aspire to......
I'd rather be like Norway
In the strictest sense of all votes being equal, you're right, its not true democracy and never has been but you run into the issue of how to compartmentalize the votes. How do you use the percentages to ensure the proportionality doesn't eliminate the regional representation? No one wants someone from hundreds or perhaps thousands of miles away trying to act as their representative. I'll point to my home province: if 70%+ vote Conservative what place gets told "your votes for the CPC don't really count, you are the designated make up seat for X opposition party"? As centralized as Trudeau made the federal gov't (and yes it was primarily him and his gov't after the newest constitution was adopted) I don't see the regions consenting to anything that decreases their clout even more. The reason this hasn't changed (and people west of Ontario and probably east of Quebec have been bitching about it for decades) is that no one can come up with a solution that works better. And no, tripling the size of parliament (and doing more than that to the costs!) to accomodate some type of PR system isn't an option either to most of us.
But have we EVER had a majority with this many parties and the gov't actually getting 50% +1 votes? I don't know and doubt it. I'll dig a bit and am prepared to apologize if we have. I honestly don't think it has happened in at least the past 50-60 years and that it will happen ever again.
Did you notice the USA is number four???
Something to aspire to......
The HDI is a big steaming pile at best... Yet another political lever developed by the clowns down at the UN.
Maybe you ought to read what Colpy posted... My interpretation is that all of the HDI measures are being paid for with borrowed monies which (right now) will screw future generations.
What kind of development/society and future will these people have?
Explain to me what gives today's society the right to express their greed at someone else's expense?
Interesting... according to Canadian Election Results: 1867-2006 the last time there was a majority in popular vote was Lyin' Brian in 1984 (marked as 50.0% of popular vote... I'm interested to see if it was the actual 50%+1). Before that we have to go back to 1958 when the Conservatives achieved 53.7%. Prior to that were the 1953 Liberals (50.0%) and the 1949 Liberals (50.1%) since the emergence of a true 3rd party, the CCF (which became the NDP) in the 23 elections held. Now there were 8 minorities in that time but thats 4 out of the last 15 majority parliaments that actually were 50%+ popular votes...
Again it may support a case for revising how we elect representatives but we lack a true alternative.
Again it may support a case for revising how we elect representatives but we lack a true alternative.
Less drama on Parliament Hill I can live with. The bright spot for Ontario is Hudak probably won't be elected here in October....