What Bono has to say about Paul Martin's promise breaking.

[bluealberta]

Re: What Bono has to say about Paul Martin's promise breakin

Bono won't turn the election.

I never said he would. I said he'd take the stick to Bush when he was most politically vulnerable. Bush getting ripped up by Bono during the 06 elections will have an effect. It may not turn the election, but it can cost enough that appointments don't go through and everything Bush touches turns to crap.

I realize that the only understanding of politics in the US is zero-sum and that soft power isn't even your political dictionary down there, but that's your problem, not Bono's.

Ah the urge to respond............nope, not this time.

 

[Toro]

Re: What Bono has to say about Paul Martin's promise breakin

Toro knows exactly whats going to happen because he programs the electronic voting machines just look at where he's from

So your the one, eh Toro? Keep up the good work, okay? :wink:

Its just a lot easier to stuff, I mean count electronic ballots.

I once had a big investment in Diebold!

 

[Toro]

Re: What Bono has to say about Paul Martin's promise breakin

I never said he would. I said he'd take the stick to Bush when he was most politically vulnerable. Bush getting ripped up by Bono during the 06 elections will have an effect. It may not turn the election, but it can cost enough that appointments don't go through and everything Bush touches turns to crap.

Are you joking?

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: What Bono has to say

Nope, I'm dead serious, Toro. Given the trouble Bush is already having, it won't take much either.

It's called politics, Toro. It's a fun sport, and best played with finesse. You guys are trying to play nine-ball at a snooker tournament.

 

[Toro]

Re: What Bono has to say about Paul Martin's promise breakin

You can't buy snooker tables where I live. You have to bloody order them.

Bono will have no effect on the elections in America. The House GOP are doing a good job of shooting themselves in the foot without any help from outsiders. But the Democrats are so useless that I don't know if it will do them any good.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Re: What Bono has to say about Paul Martin's promise breakin

You can't buy snooker tables where I live. Crying or Very sad You have to bloody order them.

An excellent metaphor for your lack of real politics down there, Toro.

 

[Said1]

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@Blue:

Any fool with a television can see the commericals showing people in the public eye, including performers in Africa doing various things. "Aid" is not the only cause.....woman's rights, the diamond trade, feed the children of course and education are just a few things they are using their name to gain attention.

If people don't know about it (awareness), they won't feel compelled to help in any way shape or form. If individuals do not feel inclinded to do anything privately, our government will do it for us. If you don't want to give extra because you feel you are being ripped off, collect some cash and go there yourself.

I am not opposed to aid, but I am opposed to just dumping money at something without accountability. Why is that such a hard concept for the left to accept? Anytime someone wants accountability, the same old "You are against aid" statement comes out. All I suggest is to make sure that the money reaches the starving guy on the street, not to give another despot dictator another palace with gold plated toilets. Surely this cannot be a bad thing???

I agree throwing money in their general direction is not a good idea. However, as you can probably see, my remarks were mainly in response to your criticism of celeberties and not donating money.

 

[Toro]

Re: What Bono has to say about Paul Martin's promise breakin

An excellent metaphor for your lack of real politics down there, Toro.

The one thing I learned about Canadians when I moved down here is that though they may know a lot about America, they really do not understand the politics nor the political system of the United States. Example #8737487982365

 

[Said1]

Re: What Bono has to say about Paul Martin's promise breakin

An excellent metaphor for your lack of real politics down there, Toro.

The one thing I learned about Canadians when I moved down here is that though they may know a lot about America, they really do not understand the politics nor the political system of the United States. Example #8737487982365

You're Canadian aren't you?

What the single most misunderstood thing we misunderstand?

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: What Bono has to say

His argument will be that we don't understand the roles and dynamic of Congress and the Senate and over-estimate the power of the Oval Orifice, Said. He's wrong.

 

[Said1]

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His argument will be that we don't understand the roles and dynamic of Congress and the Senate and over-estimate the power of the Oval Orifice, Said. He's wrong.

It's true, a lot don't. That can be said of both sides.

 

[Toro]

Re: What Bono has to say about Paul Martin's promise breakin

An excellent metaphor for your lack of real politics down there, Toro.

The one thing I learned about Canadians when I moved down here is that though they may know a lot about America, they really do not understand the politics nor the political system of the United States. Example #8737487982365

You're Canadian aren't you?

What the single most misunderstood thing we misunderstand?

The biggest thing Canadians do not understand about the American political system is that power is much more fluid. The Parliamentary system is much more static and power is more concentrated in Canada. There is much more power in the legislative branch and much less power in the executive branch in the US. In Canada, if the Prime Minister decides policy, its done. That's not the case in the US, social security being the most obvious example. Party discipline is much, much less in the US than in Canada. That's why I have to laugh when I read Canadians saying that the US is moving towards a dictatorship. By design, Canada is much closer to a dictatorship than the US. So much power is centralized in the PMO.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: What Bono has to say

Has it ever occurred to you that the ones pointing to your ever-diminishing freedoms are the ones who understand your system best, Toro?

 

[Said1]

Re: What Bono has to say about Paul Martin's promise breakin

The biggest thing Canadians do not understand about the American political system is that power is much more fluid. The Parliamentary system is much more static and power is more concentrated in Canada. There is much more power in the legislative branch and much less power in the executive branch in the US. In Canada, if the Prime Minister decides policy, its done. That's not the case in the US, social security being the most obvious example. Party discipline is much, much less in the US than in Canada. That's why I have to laugh when I read Canadians saying that the US is moving towards a dictatorship. By design, Canada is much closer to a dictatorship than the US. So much power is centralized in the PMO.

I had a feeling you were going to say that, and I would agree it's fairly accurate, although I don't think either country is on it's way to being a dictatorship.

 

[Toro]

RE: What Bono has to say

Neither country is on its way to a dictatorship. That's just silly.

The Patriot Act has curbed a few rights, some of which are disturbing and un-American, such as being able to hold terrorist suspects indefinitely without charge. But I think that America started at a higher level of freedom than Canada but is working itself down, though in different ways.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: What Bono has to say

You have institutionalized torture, Toro. You have faith-based initiaives controlling your leaders. You have the worst kind of bribery in your political system...the kind that you've built in and protest is free speech.

You are less free than us and losing the freedoms you have at a greater rate. That is happening because so many of you are so willing to perpetuate the lies that your leaders tell.

Somebody who believed in democracy would speak out against that. You choose to defend it.

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: What Bono has to say

Neither country is on its way to a dictatorship. That's just silly.

The Patriot Act has curbed a few rights, some of which are disturbing and un-American, such as being able to hold terrorist suspects indefinitely without charge. But I think that America started at a higher level of freedom than Canada but is working itself down, though in different ways.

With the exception of speach laws, can you give an example of higher freedom?

 

[Jo Canadian]

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You have institutionalized torture, Toro. You have faith-based initiaives controlling your leaders. You have the worst kind of bribery in your political system...the kind that you've built in and protest is free speech.

 

[Toro]

Re: RE: What Bono has to say

Neither country is on its way to a dictatorship. That's just silly.

The Patriot Act has curbed a few rights, some of which are disturbing and un-American, such as being able to hold terrorist suspects indefinitely without charge. But I think that America started at a higher level of freedom than Canada but is working itself down, though in different ways.

With the exception of speach laws, can you give an example of higher freedom?

Press bans are an obvious one. Economic. Taxes. Medical care. Buying alcohol. :wink:

I would agree with Rev though that there is too much money in the US political system.

I guess Jo Canadian is our resident cartoonist.

 

[Jay]

RE: What Bono has to say about Paul Martin's promise breakin

The right to bear arms...