Big question is why? A National health system I don't think is the answer. Nobody seems to want to take on the insurance companies which are the real culprits who govern costs.
What Are the Consequences of Obama Failing?
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I would bet that the life expectancy in the U.S. has virtually nothing to do with the healthcare system, but more to do with the affluence of the society who due to all the conveniences, don't lead a healthy lifestyle.
You bet- I would hazard a guess that every time you go in one of those places you reduce your life expectancy by two weeks (and that's just if you are having coffee only). :lol::lol:
You don’t know that, JLM. Offhand it would be reasonable to think that quality and access to health care has a lot to do with life expectancy.
As to affluence, Canada, Australia, Europe are equally affluent, how can they have higher life expectancy? Also, the less affluent countries (in Asian and Africa) almost invariably have low life expectancy.
In general, affluence should help in raising the life expectancy, not lower it. In fact, I would hazard a guess. Look at life expectancy and affluence, and you probably will find a nice relationship greater the affluence, greater the life expectancy (USA being the exception, of course).
"You don’t know that, JLM. Offhand it would be reasonable to think that quality and access to health care has a lot to do with life expectancy."
Maybe not 100% but I've nailed the situation pretty close I think. Years ago I was told that for about 99% of the things we see a doctor for, the outcome would be the same if we didn't. And likewise a high percentage of the people who didn't see a doctor before they died, would have died anyway if they had seen the doctor. The biggest reason for seeing the doctor is for mental peace of mind. Health is the normal state, sickness isn't. Most sickness is self inflicted or at least a self- fulfilling prophecy.
Maybe not 100% but I've nailed the situation pretty close I think. Years ago I was told that for about 99% of the things we see a doctor for, the outcome would be the same if we didn't. And likewise a high percentage of the people who didn't see a doctor before they died, would have died anyway if they had seen the doctor. The biggest reason for seeing the doctor is for mental peace of mind. Health is the normal state, sickness isn't. Most sickness is self inflicted or at least a self- fulfilling prophecy.
Years ago I was told that for about 99% of the things we see a doctor for, the outcome would be the same if we didn't.
JLM, I think it is more like 90%. And the rest 10% where it is necessary to see a doctor, it makes a big difference, it can make a difference between life and death.
Indeed, that is one of the reasons why life expectancy has been rising for many decades now. It can be attributed to availability of health care, effective medicines etc. In fact, life expectancy today is much higher compared to 100 or 50 years ago. There are many factors responsible for that, but access to health care is certainly one of them.
JLM, I think it is more like 90%. And the rest 10% where it is necessary to see a doctor, it makes a big difference, it can make a difference between life and death.
Indeed, that is one of the reasons why life expectancy has been rising for many decades now. It can be attributed to availability of health care, effective medicines etc. In fact, life expectancy today is much higher compared to 100 or 50 years ago. There are many factors responsible for that, but access to health care is certainly one of them.
Obama failing? Not likely:
Factory orders are up:
Factory Orders Increase 0.4%; Ex-Transport Rises 2.3% (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
Deficit is down, and housing purchases have risen for three months in a row.
Cash for clunkers is working:
Cash-for-clunkers leaves car lots looking markedly empty - USATODAY.com
Yes, looks like improvement in the Bush created mess is on its way!
Factory orders are up:
Factory Orders Increase 0.4%; Ex-Transport Rises 2.3% (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
Deficit is down, and housing purchases have risen for three months in a row.
Cash for clunkers is working:
Cash-for-clunkers leaves car lots looking markedly empty - USATODAY.com
Yes, looks like improvement in the Bush created mess is on its way!
Because their cities are designed for walking instead of driving?
Because fast food has been a way of life in NA for much longer?
INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS -- 'Begols' and 'Dirty Water'; Fast-Food Chains Take U.S. Marketing to Europe - The New York Times
I htink the report I was referring to was talking short term......:lol::lol::lol:
Obama failing? Not likely:
Factory orders are up:
Factory Orders Increase 0.4%; Ex-Transport Rises 2.3% (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
Deficit is down, and housing purchases have risen for three months in a row.
Cash for clunkers is working:
Cash-for-clunkers leaves car lots looking markedly empty - USATODAY.com
Yes, looks like improvement in the Bush created mess is on its way!
Is it because of Obama or would it have happened anyway? Then again it is coming back so who cares why. People are really digging up those old cars rusting away on the front lawns and trading them in as long as there registered vehicles though. Property will look better. :smile:
I think you are referring to my chronilogical age. my physical age is early 40s. :lol::lol:
You just never know, but I don't plan on going anywhere for awhile.
We don’t the answer to that, ironsides, we don’t know if economy is recovering because of Obama or in spite of Obama. But the point is, people will hold him responsible for whatever happens.
It is normal for presidential popularity to go down six months or a year into his term. Reagan was down to under 50% by November. So Obama losing popularity is nothing extraordinary.
However, if the recovery continues and unemployment starts falling (and unemployment lags behind the other indicators) in six month, people will give credit to Obama. If unemployment starts falling Obama’s popularity will rebound in six months or a year.
The stock market certainly seems convinced that recovery is coming.
Right.
CBO: 2009 deficit 50% greater than expected
Jake Tapper notes that the Congressional Budget Office has some revised numbers on the budget deficit, if by revised we mean completely different than first reported. The deficit projection has increased 50% since January, and CBO director Douglas Elmendorf blames “enactment of recent legislation.” Gee, do you think he means Porkulus and the omnibus spending bill?
The director of the Congressional Budget Office today updated his projections for the budget and economic outlook and is now anticipating a $1.8 trillion deficit this year, and $1.4 trillion in 2010.
This is up from CBO director Douglas W. Elmendorf’s January 2009 projection of a $1.2 trillion deficit this year. In short, the US government is borrowing 50 cents for every dollar it spends.
The new projected deficit is four times the 2008 deficit, which was a record high for its time.
This is up from CBO director Douglas W. Elmendorf’s January 2009 projection of a $1.2 trillion deficit this year. In short, the US government is borrowing 50 cents for every dollar it spends.
The new projected deficit is four times the 2008 deficit, which was a record high for its time.
In the first independent analysis of Obama’s budget proposal, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office concluded that Obama’s policies would cause government spending to swell above historic levels even after costly programs to ease the recession and stabilize the nation’s financial system have ended.
Tax collections, meanwhile, would lag well behind spending, producing huge annual budget deficits that would force the nation to borrow nearly $9.3 trillion over the next decade — $2.3 trillion more than the president predicted when he unveiled his budget request just one month ago.
Tax collections, meanwhile, would lag well behind spending, producing huge annual budget deficits that would force the nation to borrow nearly $9.3 trillion over the next decade — $2.3 trillion more than the president predicted when he unveiled his budget request just one month ago.
Back to Obama' success rate.
I fear the worst.
In my opinion he is rapidly becoming a lame duck president.
He needs to make things happen in the first year of his mandate and he is wasting precious time.
Any policy or government watcher knows that you need to get the tough stuff cast in stone in your first year.
Implement, modify and fine tune in year two.
Begin fundraising and constituency work (pork) year three.
Start campaigning year four.
Obama is missing that bus quickly.
Cap and trade is going to start a trade war with Canada if it flies at all.
And of course thats exactly what the protectionist house wants.
After all, who cares about the economy and unemployment anyway?
American health care is bogging down rapidly.
You have to ask why Obama didn't farm this out completely to Hillary and then just back her to the max?
What else is left?
The biggest deficit in the history of the planet?
Guantanamo still going strong?
Soldiers still dying in flyblown deserts?
Torture sorta still OK?
American manifest destiny still sorta OK?
Obama is still dropping in the approval rankings.
He started off tied with Clinton and behind Bush junior in the ratings and he has been dropping ever since.
On an international level it's a total disaster.
The President of Russia all but spit in his face (check out the u tube handshaking video).
Somehow he has snubbed or offended most of the EU.
The Brit's feel utterly let down and their troops are still dying because of their loyal American support.
He bowed and scraped to the Saudi's.
The North Koreans feel he is a complete pushover.
The Canadians.....well, Canadians are still hoping for the best, but Obama's "Cap and Trade", otherwise known as a tax on all things Canadian may change that.
Japan can't stand the guy.
South and Central American countries are holding their breath but consensus is building that he is all talk,no action.
He is however extremely popular in North Africa Muslim countries.
And Obama does seem to be very fond of spending inordinate amounts of his international travel time in Africa.
Obama has turned out to be the biggest media hog in world history.
He seems to have a burning desire to get in front of every camera on the planet.
And he shows no signs of slowing.
But it's getting old.
Everyone on the planet has heard the sizzle.
Where's the steak?
He needs to do something productive.
Fast.
Trex
I fear the worst.
In my opinion he is rapidly becoming a lame duck president.
He needs to make things happen in the first year of his mandate and he is wasting precious time.
Any policy or government watcher knows that you need to get the tough stuff cast in stone in your first year.
Implement, modify and fine tune in year two.
Begin fundraising and constituency work (pork) year three.
Start campaigning year four.
Obama is missing that bus quickly.
Cap and trade is going to start a trade war with Canada if it flies at all.
And of course thats exactly what the protectionist house wants.
After all, who cares about the economy and unemployment anyway?
American health care is bogging down rapidly.
You have to ask why Obama didn't farm this out completely to Hillary and then just back her to the max?
What else is left?
The biggest deficit in the history of the planet?
Guantanamo still going strong?
Soldiers still dying in flyblown deserts?
Torture sorta still OK?
American manifest destiny still sorta OK?
Obama is still dropping in the approval rankings.
He started off tied with Clinton and behind Bush junior in the ratings and he has been dropping ever since.
On an international level it's a total disaster.
The President of Russia all but spit in his face (check out the u tube handshaking video).
Somehow he has snubbed or offended most of the EU.
The Brit's feel utterly let down and their troops are still dying because of their loyal American support.
He bowed and scraped to the Saudi's.
The North Koreans feel he is a complete pushover.
The Canadians.....well, Canadians are still hoping for the best, but Obama's "Cap and Trade", otherwise known as a tax on all things Canadian may change that.
Japan can't stand the guy.
South and Central American countries are holding their breath but consensus is building that he is all talk,no action.
He is however extremely popular in North Africa Muslim countries.
And Obama does seem to be very fond of spending inordinate amounts of his international travel time in Africa.
Obama has turned out to be the biggest media hog in world history.
He seems to have a burning desire to get in front of every camera on the planet.
And he shows no signs of slowing.
But it's getting old.
Everyone on the planet has heard the sizzle.
Where's the steak?
He needs to do something productive.
Fast.
Trex