What Are the Consequences of Obama Failing?

Francis2004

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SJP, yes I did drop the Sir and its Francis not Frances ( cis for male and ces for female in French ).... Its my Alias after my son's name.. It seems some on this site take offence to the "Sir" and seeing I couldnt care less and had it removed from my name as it was symbolic only to my son when he was born. Of course I did not know people here would be so offended by such a silly prefix..

My, but aren’t you precious, Francis. You drop ‘Sir’ because some people got offended here? If somebody gets offended because I have ‘Sir’ in my name, I will probably tack on another ‘Sir’ (or call myself ‘Right Honorable Sir Joseph Porter’ or something like that).

What a great way to offend people.


Then so be it SJP.. I am not here to stress myself out.. Go ahead and add as many SirSirSir's to your name..

My point was not to make make others happy but rather toi simplify my own life. If that's your perception of what I said, then I expressed myself incorrectly.

As your wife the Doctor will tell you stress is a Killer so minimize it.. :smile:

In any case it is not with you I have an argument with on that topic..
 

Francis2004

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I consider you "just another CC person now" too. The post was directed toward they who are still trying to make C.com over into C.C.....;-)

LW, rightfully the quote was well available in Canada.com.. Using a word processor you must fully correct the brackets or you get the misquotes you often see here.

That is why many who use them prefer to use the colour scheme instead of quotes.

However when I do that I usually end up cutting out the quote and re-quoting the posts just before posting. Yes an added step before I post but well worth the step for me..

There did I throw enough changes in there for you :lol:
 

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This thread was prompted by a discussion I had with a poster (probably a Republican, but I am not sure). It is well known by now that many Republicans want Obama to fail. There is the famous yell by the de facto Republican leader, Rush Limbaugh, ‘I hope he fails’.

I think Republicans have a simplistic idea what is meant by of Obama failing. It goes something like this. As a result of Obama’s policies, we slide into a depression, unemployment 25%, inflation 20%.

As a result of that, Republicans win control of Senate and House in 2010, win the Presidency in 2012. Then unemployment falls to 4%, inflation falls to 2% and every body lives happily ever after.

But let us really look at what happens if Obama fails. Here I am assuming the rosiest scenario for Republicans. So let us say that Obama’s policies are a total failure and by October 2012 unemployment has shot up to 15%, inflation 10%. Of course Republicans win control of Senate and House.

What will be the first action of Republicans? What did they do the last time they controlled the Congress and there was a Democratic President, Clinton? They started impeachment proceedings, of course. And that is what they will do this time as well.

So in 2011 nothing will be done about economy, USA will remain glued to TV sets and internet to follow the impeachment proceedings. There are really no grounds for impeachment, but there are plenty that can be trumped up by Republicans. Some of them are:

Obama is not a US born American citizen and hence, not eligible to be the President.

Treason. He purposely violated the constitution by running for President.

Economic mismanagement. These are not grounds for impeachment, but that won’t stop the Republicans.

Anyway, so most of 2011 will be spent in impeachment. Obama will be impeached in the House on a partisan vote, but Republicans will fail to convict him in the senate (no way they are going to end up with 67 Senators after 2010 elections, no matter how bad the economy).

So the start of 2012 will see Obama and Republican Congress both standing, both bloodied. There will be plenty of bad blood between them and of course, nothing will get done in 2012.

Now let us say the Republican dream comes true, by October 2012, inflation is 20%, unemployment 25%. There is plenty of misery in the nation, people are literally begging for food in the streets. Of course Obama loses the election, Republicans win the Presidency.

Now we are into 2013 and economy is an absolute mess. Then let us say that by end of 2013, Republicans implement their agenda (more tax cuts mostly benefiting the rich, deregulation on a massive scale, more budget deficits, scrapping of all the environmental laws to encourage businesses etc.). Even if they control Presidency and Congress, it takes time to pass a bunch of legislation.

By now the economy has been going down hill for 5 years (it started in 2008 . Even if Republican cure works like a miracle, we are looking at at least three years before we see a significant improvement. That takes us to end of 2016, or beginning of 2017.

So if Obama fails, the earliest economy will recover is 2017, or eight years from now. This assuming everything goes smoothly for Republicans, if it isn't smooth going, it may take ten or more years.

If Obama succeeds, economy will start recovering next year. Democrats will lose a few seats in 2010, but not enough to change the balance of power. Then Obama can get on to the next phase, reducing the deficits.

So one year as opposed to eight or more years. It is only the most partisan of Republicans, somebody who doesn’t care how much misery, how much poverty Americans suffer, how much misery is caused, it is only someone like that who would wish Obama to fail.

Any reasonable person (of whatever persuasion) would hope that Obama would succeed and we will have a recovery next years, and not Obama fails and the economic meltdown continues for eight or more years.


"This thread was prompted by a discussion I had with a poster (probably a Republican, but I am not sure). It is well known by now that many Republicans want Obama to fail. There is the famous yell by the de facto Republican leader, Rush Limbaugh, ‘I hope he fails’.

I think Republicans have a simplistic idea what is meant by of Obama failing. It goes something like this. As a result of Obama’s policies, we slide into a depression, unemployment 25%, inflation 20%."

No SirJosephPorter, I think you have a very simplistic idea of what you think a Republican wants. First of all Rush Limbaugh is only a leader of the Republican party in the eye's of the Ultra Left as well as a few Ultra Right wingers What is left of the real Republican party dismiss him as a kook, and no we do not want President Obama to fail. While your at it, you may as well include the likes of Michael Savage along with Limbaugh. No question the Republican party was beaten to a pulp in 2008, happened before and probably will happen again. The Republican party is looking for new faces to take over a headless party. Some new names are Allen West, Bobby Jindal, and of course chairman Michael S. Steele the first two have a lot to learn in the next few years, but Obama did it, so it is not impossible.
 
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LW, rightfully the quote was well available in Canada.com.. Using a word processor you must fully correct the brackets or you get the misquotes you often see here.

That is why many who use them prefer to use the colour scheme instead of quotes.

However when I do that I usually end up cutting out the quote and re-quoting the posts just before posting. Yes an added step before I post but well worth the step for me..

There did I throw enough changes in there for you :lol:


Colour schemes and quotation marks don't attribute the quote. Thus, they could well be fabrications just for some egocentric poster to carry on animated conversations with him/herself ... or pull stuff from other boards or his/her own storage space. Hence, the quote feature. ;-)
 

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Perhaps, Gilbert. But what business is it of anybody what I call myself? I am fond of Gilbert and Sullivan; I like the character of Sir Joseph Porter from HMS Pinafore (a vain, pompous blowhard). Just to please somebody I am supposed to drop ‘Sir’ from the character’s name?
It wasn't about you, remember? It was about Francis dropping her "Sir". Not everything is about you, you know.

In the canada.com forum there was a poster who called himself Zeus, it didn’t bother anybody. It is nobody’s business what I call myself, as long as I don’t include obscenity or vulgarity in my name.

So I haven’t come across anybody saying that my name offended them, but if it does offend somebody, I may very well consider calling myself ‘Right Honourable Sir Joseph Porter’.
I don't care what you call yourself. But it'd still be childish to change your name to something that bothers people just for the sake of bothering them.
 

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"This thread was prompted by a discussion I had with a poster (probably a Republican, but I am not sure). It is well known by now that many Republicans want Obama to fail. There is the famous yell by the de facto Republican leader, Rush Limbaugh, ‘I hope he fails’.

I think Republicans have a simplistic idea what is meant by of Obama failing. It goes something like this. As a result of Obama’s policies, we slide into a depression, unemployment 25%, inflation 20%."

No SirJosephPorter, I think you have a very simplistic idea of what you think a Republican wants. First of all Rush Limbaugh is only a leader of the Republican party in the eye's of the Ultra Left as well as a few Ultra Right wingers What is left of the real Republican party dismiss him as a kook, and no we do not want President Obama to fail. While your at it, you may as well include the likes of Michael Savage along with Limbaugh. No question the Republican party was beaten to a pulp in 2008, happened before and probably will happen again. The Republican party is looking for new faces to take over a headless party. Some new names are Allen West, Bobby Jindal, and of course chairman Michael S. Steele the first two have a lot to learn in the next few years, but Obama did it, so it is not impossible.
Pretty much. What I see as the problem is that it never changes. Obviously the way our society sits now doesn't work, yet we keep doing the same things to perpetuate it. The same two parties are voted in constantly BAD with the good. No-one seems to want to take the good from both and chuck the bad to make a decent forward-looking, more efficient, gov't. It's the constant squabbling back and forth being a major hindrance to straightening out society.
My wife and I a long time ago decided TOGETHER that either/or was pretty counter-productive, so now if something comes up we work TOGETHER to come out ahead. It also saves time, rather than bashing at each other and then arriving at a solution.
 

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Colour schemes and quotation marks don't attribute the quote. Thus, they could well be fabrications just for some egocentric poster to carry on animated conversations with him/herself ... or pull stuff from other boards or his/her own storage space. Hence, the quote feature. ;-)

It's too hard to push the button that says, "quote this". lol Or even use the little key that says
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It wasn't about you, remember? It was about Francis dropping her "Sir". Not everything is about you, you know.

I don't care what you call yourself. But it'd still be childish to change your name to something that bothers people just for the sake of bothering them.

Umm, not to be picky, Les, but if you look at my profile and I did explain the difference between Francis and Frances I an not a her :lol:
 

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Colour schemes and quotation marks don't attribute the quote. Thus, they could well be fabrications just for some egocentric poster to carry on animated conversations with him/herself ... or pull stuff from other boards or his/her own storage space. Hence, the quote feature. ;-)

Yes but the fact that [ quote ] and [ /quote ] or "quotation marks" can be done offline and in a word processor doe not make this justified any more then if it is done on the forum.. If the colour scheme is what bothers you then then you must ask Andem to make this site black and white ..

Being egocentric poster does not reflect colour of postings.. lol :lol:
 

SirJosephPorter

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Then so be it SJP.. I am not here to stress myself out.. Go ahead and add as many SirSirSir's to your name..

My point was not to make make others happy but rather toi simplify my own life. If that's your perception of what I said, then I expressed myself incorrectly.

As your wife the Doctor will tell you stress is a Killer so minimize it.. :smile:

In any case it is not with you I have an argument with on that topic..


I am not arguing with you either, Francis. You re perfectly free to change your name. I was speaking for myself. If somebody gets offended because I have ‘Sir’ in my name, it wouldn’t’ bother me in the least, let him get offended.

And of course, I was only kidding about adding another sir (Sir Sir Joseph Porter? How ridiculous is that?). However, ‘Right Honourable Sir Joseph Porter, or Sir Joseph Porter, K.C.B. are certainly possibilities.
 

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Yes but the fact that [ quote ] and [ /quote ] or "quotation marks" can be done offline and in a word processor doe not make this justified any more then if it is done on the forum.. If the colour scheme is what bothers you then then you must ask Andem to make this site black and white ..

Being egocentric poster does not reflect colour of postings.. lol :lol:

Colour posting doesn't bother me. Unattributed quotes do.:roll:
 

SirJosephPorter

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The Republican party is looking for new faces to take over a headless party. Some new names are Allen West, Bobby Jindal, and of course chairman Michael S. Steele the first two have a lot to learn in the next few years, but Obama did it, so it is not impossible.

I don’t doubt that the Republican Party will come back, ironsides, that is the way politics works. Just before 2006 election, Carl Rowe was confidently talking of a permanent Republican majority; it looked as if Democrats will be out of power permanently. Things change in politics.

James Carville recently published a book in which he says that Democratic Party will be in power for the next 40 years. I personally think he is out to lunch on this one. Some day Republican Party will realize that pandering to older white men is not the way to win elections.

Republicans will find some way to reaching out to women, blacks, gays, youth etc. After Democratic party has been in power for a while, there will be scandals, corruption, influence peddling etc. people will get fed up with democratic Party, will be attracted to newly rejuvenated Republican Party and vote Republicans back in. That is the way of politics.

So I don’t doubt that eventually Republicans will be back in, it is a question of when, and not if. But in the meantime, I think Republican Party will be best served by coming up with new ideas, trying to reach out to new voters, rather than sit and sulk on the sidelines and hope for 25% unemployment and 20% inflation to get back in power.
 

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Captain, the bottom line is this: Obama and the Democrats are implementing their agenda; there is not a thing Republicans can do about it. If the agenda succeeds, we come out of the recession next year. If it fails, we get 25% unemployment, 20% inflation and Republicans come back to power.

Most of the reasonable people are hoping that Obama succeeds. Diehard Republicans (like Limbaugh and others) are hoping that Obama fails and USA ends up with 25% unemployment and 20% inflation.


Sir Joseph... May I call you Joey?... It's time we got beyond familiarities, Okay?

Correct (by the way) that the Democrats are implementing their agenda. Considering that the Republicans can't do a thing about it, what does it matter what they 'hope' for? Obama and his ilk are implementing their high risk platform and it will yield whatever results that it does (it's generally agreed that it will be devastating to the US economy). That said, Obama et al. can wish for the policy to work all they like, in my view, they'd have a more realistic chance in wishing for a pony and a shiny new bike - at least they'd be successful in getting it.



the Democrats have unwittingly sown the seeds of the demise of their party (kinda like the Cdn Liberals - agreed?)

So, you think Liberal party is dead, do you? Do you also think that the Messiah will now rule in perpetuity? You are evidently confusing Canada with Alberta. Paradise (in the form of perpetual conservative, far right, religious right rule) appeared in Alberta a long time ago. Unfortunately for you (and fortunately for rest of Canada), Hell will appear on earth soon enough in the form of Liberal rule.

Paraidse is right Joe.. I'm really a little confused though as the link you posted re: fundamentalism clearly states that the USA is a fundamentalist Christian nation... You write in a manner that suggests that you are not pleased by this.
 

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So, let me get this straight, if Obama tries to solve the economic mess, he's imposing socialism on the U.S.. When Harper mindlessly copies these policies its sound economic planning.

Or on the flip side, if Harper tries to solve the economic mess, he's imposing some right-wing hidden agenda on Canada. When Obama Harper mindlessly copies these policies its sound economic planning. Aren't the fringes entertaining?
 

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Colour schemes and quotation marks don't attribute the quote. Thus, they could well be fabrications just for some egocentric poster to carry on animated conversations with him/herself ... or pull stuff from other boards or his/her own storage space. Hence, the quote feature. ;-)

"I call myself Sir Joseph Porter because, like the character, I'm a pompous arrogant ass"

No SJP, I disagree. The G & S character is not an ass.
 

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What Are the Consequences of Obama Failing?


He doesn't win the next election.
 

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"Throughout his life he has been ranting and raving against drug addicts and drug dealers. He has practically demanded the chair for them."

Another misinformed statement from the most misinformed of the misinformed.