Well, today is the Liberal/NDP Non-Coalition Coalition Budget Day!

Ron in Regina

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The Carney government tried to inoculate itself against charges of austerity on Wednesday as François-Philippe Champagne promised “sustained funding” for gender equality programs. Phew! But what the finance minister’s right hand giveth, his left hand is set to taketh away in next week’s budget.

As the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives identified in a new research paper, the “sacrifices” Carney referred in his recent speech at the University of Ottawa will likely be made by stealth. Rather than announcing major cuts, the left-wing think tank warned that 32 of 84 departments could meet their government-ordered 15 per cent budget cuts by simply not renewing programs that are due to “sunset.” Another 20 departments could reduce their spending by five per cent by sunsetting.

If those programs are not renewed, all staff positions and contracts simply end.
The most exposed department is Women and Gender Equality, which has very few permanent programs. Hence, the reason why the minister, Rechie Valdez, looked so relieved when she announced more than $600 million in long-term funding for her department on Wednesday.

But the departments of Crown-Indigenous Relations, Environment, Transport and Immigration, and the Public Health Agency, may not be so lucky.

Spending on Indigenous issues, which has quadrupled in the last decade, may be particularly vulnerable.

“Canadians should brace themselves for for one of the most draconian federal budgets in history,” wrote the think-tank report’s authors David Macdonald and Erin Mcintosh.

The bone Champagne threw to the Liberal party’s progressive wing on Wednesday was likely considered a necessary evil. The minority government can’t afford any of its squeamish MPs going wobbly when the budget comes to a vote.
The prospect of the government losing a confidence vote is not out of the question, though it was noticeable that the NDP’s interim leader, Don Davies, did not say his seven MPs would vote against the financial plan, even as he said they would not support an austerity budget. Leaderless, penniless and mired in the polls, discretion would appear to be the better part of valour. A few discrete New Democrat abstentions would be enough to see the budget pass through the House of Commons.
 

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The Carney government tried to inoculate itself against charges of austerity on Wednesday as François-Philippe Champagne promised “sustained funding” for gender equality programs. Phew! But what the finance minister’s right hand giveth, his left hand is set to taketh away in next week’s budget.

As the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives identified in a new research paper, the “sacrifices” Carney referred in his recent speech at the University of Ottawa will likely be made by stealth. Rather than announcing major cuts, the left-wing think tank warned that 32 of 84 departments could meet their government-ordered 15 per cent budget cuts by simply not renewing programs that are due to “sunset.” Another 20 departments could reduce their spending by five per cent by sunsetting.

If those programs are not renewed, all staff positions and contracts simply end.
The most exposed department is Women and Gender Equality, which has very few permanent programs. Hence, the reason why the minister, Rechie Valdez, looked so relieved when she announced more than $600 million in long-term funding for her department on Wednesday.

But the departments of Crown-Indigenous Relations, Environment, Transport and Immigration, and the Public Health Agency, may not be so lucky.

Spending on Indigenous issues, which has quadrupled in the last decade, may be particularly vulnerable.

“Canadians should brace themselves for for one of the most draconian federal budgets in history,” wrote the think-tank report’s authors David Macdonald and Erin Mcintosh.

The bone Champagne threw to the Liberal party’s progressive wing on Wednesday was likely considered a necessary evil. The minority government can’t afford any of its squeamish MPs going wobbly when the budget comes to a vote.
The prospect of the government losing a confidence vote is not out of the question, though it was noticeable that the NDP’s interim leader, Don Davies, did not say his seven MPs would vote against the financial plan, even as he said they would not support an austerity budget. Leaderless, penniless and mired in the polls, discretion would appear to be the better part of valour. A few discrete New Democrat abstentions would be enough to see the budget pass through the House of Commons.
We'll be voting this winter.
 

Ron in Regina

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A few discrete New Democrat abstentions would be enough to see the budget pass through the House of Commons.
With days to go before Prime Minister Mark Carney tables his first federal budget, opportunities to secure alliances to help it pass are dwindling in a parliamentary scenario where a handful of (NDP?) votes stand between the survival of the Liberal minority government and its total collapse.

While no clear pathway to passage has yet emerged, it may be the NDP’s drastically diminished seven-member caucus that decides Carney’s fate.
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(YouTube & Are we heading for another federal election?)
 

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If the Conservatives were going to win an election with this group it would have been the last one. Now is the time for putting in those pensionable days and to wait for Carney to hit turbulent waters. Of course an election gives them an excuse not to do anything.

Still think we need a "Western" focused group to represent those people or perhaps a Rural Canadian party that might have more coast to coast support. The door is open for the Green Party to step up imo.
 

Ron in Regina

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The Liberals, it’s up to them whether their budget passes or not….who they bribe with what or not, whether they put poison pills into it or not, etc…
With just days to go until the Liberal government introduces its much-anticipated federal budget, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre won’t say whether his party will strike down the legislation — instead insisting he needs to read the document before deciding.
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“I don’t have telepathic powers to tell you what’s in it,” Poilievre said in an interview on Rosemary Barton Live airing Sunday morning. “If it were to bring down the cost of living — an affordable budget for an affordable living is something that I support."

The Conservatives have laid out a few key demands to the Liberals for the budget, including scrapping the industrial carbon tax and keeping the deficit below $42 billion.
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When asked by host Rosemary Barton why he would accept a deficit as high as $42 billion, Poilievre said that “it’s not OK, but it is the disastrous state we’re in after 10 years of Liberal government."

“I would like a zero deficit, but the Liberals have put us in this mess, and I work with what I got.”
 

Ron in Regina

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Surprise (not surprised)!!! The NDP is not ruling out the “possibility that some or all of its seven MPs could abstain” when the minority Liberal government’s budget is put to a vote in the House of Commons.
The minority Liberals have 169 seats — just three seats shy of a majority — which means that they need to find at least three (NDP?) MPs from the opposition benches to either support their budget or abstain to ensure that they survive the confidence vote on the budget.
The government has warned of the possibility of a snap election unless at least one other party steps forward to allow approval of the budget, which will be tabled Tuesday.
If they don’t, Canadians could be headed to the polls during the Christmas season.
NDP Interim Leader Don Davies said it’s “possible” that some NDP MPs opt to neither vote for or against the budget.
“Of course, they don’t have the numbers yet,” said Lori Turnbull, professor in the Faculty of Management at Dalhousie University, in an interview. “Surely, they can’t expect the opposition parties to say they’re going to support (the budget) when they haven’t seen it.”
“Abstentions are allowed,” he said during an interview with CBC News that aired Sunday. He stood by those comments in a later e-mail exchange with The Globe and Mail.

(These dudes do not have to be in Parliament to vote. They could be in traffic on their phone in their car and vote. They could be at home in the bathroom on the shitter and vote, etc…so unless they’re in a hospital in a coma…an abstention is a vote for all intents & purposes)

The NDP caucus is scheduled to meet Tuesday night and Wednesday to discuss how they will respond to the budget. “We’ll make that decision together,” he said.

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre was asked at a news conference Sunday if his party has ruled out the option of abstaining. He did not directly answer the question. “The reality is that we’re going to show up and do our jobs to fight for an affordable budget,” he replied, adding that: “I can’t tell you any more than that till I see the thing.”

The Bloc Québécois, which has 22 MPs, has previously ruled out abstaining on the budget vote. The party has laid out 18 budget demands, including six that they say are non-negotiable.

While the budget will be tabled Tuesday, the main budget votes won’t take place until later in the month. The House does not sit the week after it is tabled because of Remembrance Day.
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Ron in Regina

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Tomorrow’s budget will be the government’s first fiscal update in almost a year and the first time Prime Minister Mark Carney has signed off an economic plan for the country since forming government during the spring election more than 1/2 a year ago now.

The Liberals are three seats shy of a majority, meaning they will need a few (NDP) opposition MPs to either support or abstain when the budget vote comes — sometime in the coming weeks.
Historically, the Liberals have turned to the NDP but interim Leader Don Davies said he wants to see where the cuts are in the budget before deciding, etc…😉
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He did not rule out a scenario in which some of the seven NDP MPs opt to vote neither for nor against the budget.
 

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Tomorrow’s budget will be the government’s first fiscal update in almost a year and the first time Prime Minister Mark Carney has signed off an economic plan for the country since forming government during the spring election more than 1/2 a year ago now.

The Liberals are three seats shy of a majority, meaning they will need a few (NDP) opposition MPs to either support or abstain when the budget vote comes — sometime in the coming weeks.
Historically, the Liberals have turned to the NDP but interim Leader Don Davies said he wants to see where the cuts are in the budget before deciding, etc…😉
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He did not rule out a scenario in which some of the seven NDP MPs opt to vote neither for nor against the budget.
Why can’t these politicals and their advisors read the room . They propped up the Liberals for four years when their popularity had tanked . The NDP could be sitting in opposition right now if they voted against the liberals .And here they are again talking about supporting them again . All those seats for grab and they are making themselves irrelevant.
 

Ron in Regina

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Why can’t these politicals and their advisors read the room . They propped up the Liberals for four years when their popularity had tanked . The NDP could be sitting in opposition right now if they voted against the liberals .And here they are again talking about supporting them again . All those seats for grab and they are making themselves irrelevant.
It’s not that the NDP “wants” to support the Liberals regardless of what’s in their budget, but that they really don’t have a choice. It Carney throws a couple of magic beans in there for the NDP to save face, they’ll support it…& if Carney doesn’t, they’ll abstain from voting which accomplishes the same thing for Carney.

(The NDP desperately needs to be seen as something other than the Liberals lapdog)

They (the NDP) already have made themselves irrelevant. That’s just that. They had their non-coalition coalition that definitely was not a coalition-type coalition, for two freak’n years propping up Justin Trudeau who was beyond toxic, and the stank rubbed off on them, and the electorate politically spanked them.

The NDP party is bereft of ideas, leadership, seats in parliament and they’re broke. Jagmeet Singh and the NDP ran their disastrous campaign on borrowed money – millions of dollars – and there is no clear pathway for them to dig their way out. They don’t have any significant fundraising infrastructure (this has long been the case), their coming leadership race will siphon any available NDP donors away from party giving towards candidate giving, and their debts are continuing to pile up.

They’re in no way, shape, or form to go into an election, and every other party knows it. For the NDP, regardless of the noise they make, they will support this budget one way or another, whether directly or through hiding under the bed during the vote on the confidence motion. Political dead man walking.
 
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It’s not that the NDP “wants” to support the Liberals regardless of what’s in their budget, but that they really don’t have a choice. It Carney throws a couple of magic beans in there for the NDP to save face, they’ll support it…& if Carney doesn’t, they’ll abstain from voting which accomplishes the same thing for Carney.

(The NDP desperately needs to be seen as something other than the Liberals lapdog)

They (the NDP) already have made themselves irrelevant. That’s just that. They had their non-coalition coalition that definitely was not a coalition-type coalition, for two freak’n years propping up Justin Trudeau who was beyond toxic, and the stank rubbed off on them, and the electorate politically spanked them.

The NDP party is bereft of ideas, leadership, seats in parliament and they’re broke. Jagmeet Singh and the NDP ran their disastrous campaign on borrowed money – millions of dollars – and there is no clear pathway for them to dig their way out. They don’t have any significant fundraising infrastructure (this has long been the case), their coming leadership race will siphon any available NDP donors away from party giving towards candidate giving, and their debts are continuing to pile up.

They’re in no way, shape, or form to go into an election, and every other party knows it. For the NDP, regardless of the noise they make, they will support this budget one way or another, whether directly or through hiding under the bed during the vote on the confidence motion. Political dead man walking.
What does the NDP want the most that Trump's tariffs didn't already give? Forestry is fucked so there will be more trees that mature in 25 years to hug and burn in 30. We're going nuclear and hydrogen. The air is pretty damn clean there isn't a whale shortage. Forced into expanding markets. Unions have pretty much all struke. What's left?
 
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It’s not that the NDP “wants” to support the Liberals regardless of what’s in their budget, but that they really don’t have a choice. It Carney throws a couple of magic beans in there for the NDP to save face, they’ll support it…& if Carney doesn’t, they’ll abstain from voting which accomplishes the same thing for Carney.

(The NDP desperately needs to be seen as something other than the Liberals lapdog)

They (the NDP) already have made themselves irrelevant. That’s just that. They had their non-coalition coalition that definitely was not a coalition-type coalition, for two freak’n years propping up Justin Trudeau who was beyond toxic, and the stank rubbed off on them, and the electorate politically spanked them.

The NDP party is bereft of ideas, leadership, seats in parliament and they’re broke. Jagmeet Singh and the NDP ran their disastrous campaign on borrowed money – millions of dollars – and there is no clear pathway for them to dig their way out. They don’t have any significant fundraising infrastructure (this has long been the case), their coming leadership race will siphon any available NDP donors away from party giving towards candidate giving, and their debts are continuing to pile up.

They’re in no way, shape, or form to go into an election, and every other party knows it. For the NDP, regardless of the noise they make, they will support this budget one way or another, whether directly or through hiding under the bed during the vote on the confidence motion. Political dead man walking.
The NDP do not make up their vote on the hustings . They spend like it is important but the reality is they have a small base and the rest of their support comes from liberals .
 

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…And today is the day we, via parliament, get to hear the highlights and lowlights of Carney’s proposed budget that the NDP will back the Liberals to pass.

As Canada faces what Carney has described as a more hostile and divided world, it’s time, the prime minister said, for “bold action,” “a new course,” and a “dramatically” different economic path. A fuller picture of Carney’s map to navigate that path is still unknown.

The budget is expected to feature for the first time a separation between day-to-day operational spending and capital investments, which could be anything deemed to be designed to boost long-term growth. The government says this change will make it easier for Canadians to distinguish between the “spending” and the “investments.”

Critics say it’s just a trick, so the government will be able to say that it’s met its goal of balancing the operational budget within three years, instead of dealing with the actual budget deficit.
Most economists are expecting Canada's Finance Minister François-Philippe Champagne to propose a deficit of C$70 billion ($49.91 billion) to C$90 billion for the year ending in March 2026.

(Canada last reported a deficit, of C$62 billion for 2023-24, a 77% jump from the previous year, helping to trigger former Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland's resignation a year ago)

Budget votes have triggered elections in Canada before and the Liberals' fate “likely” hinges on the small left-leaning New Democratic Party, which has just seven legislators, lacks a leader and is short of money. If the party abstains, Carney will survive.
 

Ron in Regina

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Dude is describing IFTA without mentioning IFTA (international fuel tax agreement), it’s for every jurisdiction in the US and Canada (except for a couple of oddball states on the left coast of the US that aren’t in the program) for road taxes that’s hidden in the fuel costs.

What he’s talking about is kind of misleading, because it’s not about interprovincial trade barriers.

IFTA is what replaced having 37 license plates on your truck from back in the smoky and the bandit days….& a remnant of that is those great big chrome foot tall & 8 foot wide bumpers that are still on the long nose Pete’s because you needed the space to put all those different license plates on. Trust me, IFTA is way easier…
 
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