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Sal

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Nah, with me it's more hard and unfeeling. I'm quite dispassionate in my indifference to human suffering.
lol...yeah right...:tongue3:



One of the human interest stories out of Ferguson dealt with a woman who was trying hard. At one point she had a job, but didn't have the money to both pay her rent and register her car properly. She needed the car to get to the job, though I suppose petros woulda just got up at 2 in the morning and used his manly stride to cover the sixteen mile commute. So she tried to let the registration slide until next payday. They caught her. Turns out the court she had to go to was only open half a day per week. So she missed a day of work to go to court, and her case was never called. Then she got on the merry-go-round of late fees, missed appearances, and so forth, and ended up with over $15,000 in fines and fees. She also lost her job because her boss said she took too much time off to try to get to her multiple court non-appearances.
lack of human connection, not knowing others who feel they have to help...such tragic situations...I cannot believe the number of people on FB who have to ask strangers for help for their kids or surgery...it's also amazing and wonderful how complete strangers will reach out and help...

tragedies happen...literary stories .... based on real life...terrible, sad, tragic...people die alone and forgotten...well, actually we all die alone, most don't get that I think
 

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lol...yeah right...:tongue3:



lack of human connection, not knowing others who feel they have to help...such tragic situations...I cannot believe the number of people on FB who have to ask strangers for help for their kids or surgery...it's also amazing and wonderful how complete strangers will reach out and help...

tragedies happen...literary stories .... based on real life...terrible, sad, tragic...people die alone and forgotten...well, actually we all die alone, most don't get that I think
that's a definite maybe.:).
 

Sal

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Tecumsehsbones

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Poor thing....zero other options in po o Ferguson

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Missed appearances? The ones she was fired for?
Yes, petros. One of the great scandals that emerged from the Ferguson mess is the way the towns in St. Louis County use limitations on court/administrative office time, inaccurate and confusing instructions, and plain old falsification of records to pile fine on fee on fine on the poor of St. Louis County. The state legislature has taken up the issue and is legislating reforms.

But you know better than the Missouri State Legislature because you're in Saskatchewan, which is the world.

Yes, yes, I know, you don't buy it. Because it would mess with your smug, superior worldview to recognize that people can get jammed up and not have the education or the skills to get themselves un-jammed. And because you simply don't believe, despite ample evidence, that the towns in St. Louis County, and many other places, do this deliberately, so much so that they write fines and fees into their budgets as sources of revenue.

But it don't happen in Saskatchewan, so anybody less able to handle the world than you are is a jibrat.
 

petros

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I don't know a bullsh-t story because I'm not from there?

My smug view spotted a bullsh-t pile and it upsets you?
 

JLM

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It's a subject with just so many variables, it's really impossible to come to a blanket conclusion. Some places just don't have many jobs & the cost of relocating is often prohibitive. Mix in a little physical and mental illness and things get really complicated.
 

Walter

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I cut my fingernails yesterday and realized that the decisions I have made in life allow me to live in comfort.
 

Spade

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It's a subject with just so many variables, it's really impossible to come to a blanket conclusion. Some places just don't have many jobs & the cost of relocating is often prohibitive. Mix in a little physical and mental illness and things get really complicated.

Of course! And, the children of the poor did not choose their poverty. And, if economics has failed the poor, so has religion.

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." Marx
 

gopher

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captain morgan; said:
When work isnt enough to keep you off welfare and food stamps - The Washington Post

I sure do wonder how humanity ever possibly managed to survive before the introduction of the myriad of social services


Books such as How The Other Half Live, Wisconsin Death Trip, and The Good Old Days - They Were Terrible reveal how people strove during earlier times. Life expectancy was much shorter, people died from illnesses that would be relieved within a matter of days with today's medicines, work related injuries and fatalities were far more common and they left people too disabled to work. While age related illnesses were known, they were far less common as people often died before they reached old age. What kept many going was the belief that all that toil was going to be rewarded in some metaphysical paradise - if it hadn't been for that myth many would have died even sooner.
 

captain morgan

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Books such as How The Other Half Live, Wisconsin Death Trip, and The Good Old Days - They Were Terrible reveal how people strove during earlier times. Life expectancy was much shorter, people died from illnesses that would be relieved within a matter of days with today's medicines, work related injuries and fatalities were far more common and they left people too disabled to work. While age related illnesses were known, they were far less common as people often died before they reached old age. What kept many going was the belief that all that toil was going to be rewarded in some metaphysical paradise - if it hadn't been for that myth many would have died even sooner.

I get what you're saying goph, and to be perfectly honest, I agree.

That said, there was an extremely significant difference in the family dynamic back then as compared to today. In terms of contemporary practice, my opinion is that more people are in the practice of reaching out to gvt for help long before they might seek that assistance from family.... Yes, I get it that the economic conditions of today are very different and can prevent that full scale of help from family being offered, however, I believe that the pendulum has swung so far to the point where the 'gvt assistance option' has morphed into some twisted form of birthright.

In the end and regardless of where you stand on this issue, the fact is that the scope of social services available to any society is entirely a function of the money available in the system... Greece is an interesting example or keep an eye on France in the next number of years. The French are heading down a potentially dangerous road that, depending on a number of variables, have a potentially disastrous outcome for the average Pierre on the street... If this unfortunate possibility arises, all of the good intentions, birthrights and entitlements won't amount to a hill of beans, let alone put any of those beans on the table of those that will desperately need it.
 

gopher

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But the fact remains that once these reforms took place, the standard of living improved, the quality of life has increased, and longevity is greater than ever. It is a good bet that if these social safety valves did not exist all of these things would be greatly diminished. And if the corresponding programs which benefit businesses were removed as well, the economic consequences would be far more disastrous.
 

MHz

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And still way ahead of communism.
How would you know, you live in the elite world don't you? (in theory that form would make you and I as bringing home the same amount of money every year while our contribution to the 'community' has the same gaps that exist today. That would elevate me and take away the money you don't use, so far I don't see that as being a flaw really)

Since the elite hold the cash and the welfare guys are stuck in a place that is worse than a dead end job why not take advantage of that. The ones with jobs and above are the ones that can afford to be entertained so do a series called 'burnt bridges' and take the story of somebody on welfare and how they came to be in that position as it isn't in any career guide. You probably wouldn't even have to tweak the stories very much to have it cheer up the dead end job guy and a few chuckles from the producers as they look through the potential scripts. Rather than them get the bucks the one the story is about would get some royalities based on how many views his segment gets. Lots of views it is a ticket out of the poorhouse in that you get a home and such thing an not needing a job to pay for it.

The rich man who causes his own fall would be the entertainment for the ones already on welfare as that transition isn't always greeted as being a reason for a high-5.