We must never let Brussels turn Holocaust denial into a crime

karrie

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You are the hate mongers. You accuse and convict without proof.

You need your head checked. Accused and convicted WITH proof. There have been countless trials, countless witnesses. The proof was everywhere, the witnesses were everywhere.
 

einmensch

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I haven't read the Globe and Mail yet but I will. Other than that Colpy you have not provided any specific material.

Quote from Colpy in black--Oh I see...

Eye witness accounts of Piles of bodies are OPINION
Piles of bodies? -Yes, how many bodies? How many piles? No cameras?

Research done by the most respected history professors of our time are OPINIONS.
Please post these . So far no one has posted anything. Most respected by who? You have a problem with Toben's soil test, Cole's study, Irving, Berg, etc. Where are all these studies by the most respected professors of our time?

The existence of witnesses by the thousand are OPINIONS
Out of these thousands could you post say 6 or 7? You posted 1 but that one is sketchy

The rail records of Nazi Germany are OPINION
Then Auschwitz Deathbooks are fact and 175,000 died at Auschwitz of all causes.
Dachau records are fact.


The disappearance of almost 6 million Jews from the face of the earth is an OPINION.
There seems to be a great deal of confusion as to how many there were before and After but for 45 yearthe number claimed must have been almost 8.5 million.
But the rantings of Jew haters, idiots, the psychologically warped, attention-seekers and con artists.........with very little relevant academic accredition between them.......now THAT is important and factual. I feel that you are speaking about yourself. Projecting

First Zionists stated People were gassed at Dachau --and then no the gas chamber was never used but 238,00 were murdered there in 12 years but only 206,000 went in. You have the railway numbers? Who is promoting hate? Why?
 

einmensch

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Karrie-you know nothing except what you have been told. Go read up on the Nuremberg Trials. You have not read anything. You already know it all.
Read the posts? Very convincing argument from all those calling others Jew haters, etc. Oh that is the only argument. What have you got Karrie, any posts to support your notions?
 

einmensch

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Colpy -http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081026.wholocaust1027/BNStory/National/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20081026.wholocaust1027

Like many of his fellow survivors, Mr. Sebastien was born in and lived in Hungary until the Second World War, when his family was rounded up and sent to Nazi concentration camps. His parents were immediately killed. Piles of bodies are seared into Mr. Sebastien's memory.

The survivors paused for a moment at yesterday's party to remember the parents, siblings and friends who didn't make it out of the death camps.

That is it. Nothing specific. Agreed it was a crime and very sad.
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karrie

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Karrie-you know nothing except what you have been told. Go read up on the Nuremberg Trials. You have not read anything. You already know it all.
Read the posts? Very convincing argument from all those calling others Jew haters, etc. Oh that is the only argument. What have you got Karrie, any posts to support your notions?

Why waste my time posting common knowledge? You're the one making an assertion here, not me. The fact that I find your conclusion flawed is evidence of your argument versus common knowledge. You come out looking a loon in this.
 

gerryh

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Why waste my time posting common knowledge? You're the one making an assertion here, not me. The fact that I find your conclusion flawed is evidence of your argument versus common knowledge. You come out looking a loon in this.


especially when he supplies links that SUPPORT the hollocaust rather than debunk it....ROFL
 

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There are obviously persons on this board who hate with deep passion, no different than those
who hate blacks, and muslims, and others. when someone hates that deeply, there is no way anyone, or
facts, or common sense, or the love and compassion for each other as humans could ever come between them and their hate.
Those people have to go through life, carrying that deep hatred, it is very sad, and i wouldn't
wish that on my worst enemy.
There is really no need for any of us to 'argue', as we all have the facts, and it doesn't matter
how many times those facts are put forward, those types will never acknowledge them.
It just amazes me that someone could hate the jews so much, that they can't even acknowledge that something awful happened to them, or, you would think they would be happy
that so many jews died, I don't know, it is very confusing to say the least.
'Hate' is the key word, and the person doing the hating is the one to be pitied, not the hated.
 

einmensch

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Tehran, Oct 29, IRNA javascript:history.back();
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Persecution, conviction and imprisonment of scientists and independent intellectuals are prevalent in the West, Secretary of World Foundation on Reviewing Holocaust Mohammad Ali Ramin said on Wednesday.

Ramin said arrest of Fredrick Gerald Toeben in early October 2008 in London airport for criticizing the nature and effects of Holocaust, has worried the world independent scholars and intellectuals.
Dr. Toeben is an independent researcher and thinker in the field of 'Contemporary History of Europe' and also is the member of 'International Fact-Finding Committee of Holocaust' and is the founder of 'World Foundation for Reviewing Holocaust' who believes just like others that Holocaust dossier should be re-examined and re-surveyed.
Who should be condemned? Don't you think that those who claim there has been mass killing and slaughter of six million Jews by Germans during the Second World War in Europe, should have at least appropriate documents to prove it? Or perhaps the researchers and those who make interrogation and inquiries should be condemned or punished? Indeed what was the crime of the scholars and scientists such as:" Ernst Zuendel", " David Irving", prof. Rober Fourisson", " prof. Roger Garaudy", " George Theil", " Wolfgang Froehlish", " Gerald Hornish", " Siegfried Verbeke", Horst Mahler", " Vincent Reymouard", " Juergen Graf", " Fredrick Toeben", " Sylvia Stolz", " Pedro Varela", " Germar Rudolf", and ... or other scholars, scientists, lawyers, people's representatives and western citizens? What the European politicians are doing exactly by expanding unfounded allegations and falsified and unsubstantiated ideas or preventing the expansion of any liberal ideas of researchers for finding the truths? Except that they are trying to encourage people to accept what they have quoted in the press and mass media regarding Holocaust.
Is it possible that by suppression of independent researchers and intellectuals, they try to pursue western societies to accept the arbitrary and despotic claims concerning Holocaust?
Does this mean that by the dismissal of critic scientists and scholars from scientific centers or by discharge of liberal intellectuals from European judicial, executive and legislative powers who protest against Holocaust, all the claims concerning Holocaust could be true? Or will create further stability for these countries?
Don't you think that psychological war against those who seek he truths regarding Holocaust, or persecution, torture and trial of intellectuals, or arrest and imprisonment of political activists, and negation of those who protest against foreign domination over Europeans' destiny will lead to further problems for Zionism? What is going on today in Germany, Austria, France, Belgium and Switzerland against truth-seeking individuals and people who fight "Zionist Domination."? Nothing rather than creating fear. But this trend would further divert the "detest against Israel Zionism dominating over Europe and America " towards" detest against Jewish and Judaism".
to be continued ...

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What is Toben's crime??
 

einmensch

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Talloola the facts are not being presented --No facts from U boys and girls just -you own quack--no studies no anything have you not noticed that ?? You are trying to support the truth by attacking character not evidence-How can all of you be so silly?

Krege And Treblinka
According to the Jews, Treblinka was the second greatest killing center in the history of the world. They claim that between 900,000 up to 2,000,000 were killed there.
Krege went there with ground radar, and soil testing equipment, and determined there were no graves, no bodies, no bones, no ashes, and in fact there wasn't even a camp there. Most historians accept it was simple a transit station, where Jews changed trains enroute to occupied Russia.
Here is video. What do you have to disprove this VIDEO/ Calling me whatever , don't do the trick ,hick

 

einmensch

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So why show a German graveyard?--Why not show evidence of 750,000 dead. Where are the forensic studies to evidence the deaths. 750,000 buried dug up and evaporated into air? And no evidence to prove that? Millions of teeth bones all gone-ashes -? The account regarding killing method --any witness testimony?
Karrie, common knowledge was what Galeleo, Copernicus disproved and they also were punished--well Copernicus waited to have his work published after his death. He didn't want believers in common knowledge like you torturing him to death.. Only very dull minds are as certain about events as you.
 

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So ... where were you in 1945 while first hand evidence was gathered? Seems your kind only crawls out of the woodwork long after the fact armed with BS against failing memories. Dig up some 1945 proof - like paperwork that can be verified as authentic - to counter "I was only following orders".
 
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You could take Einmensch back in time to 43 or 44, give him a personal guided tour and the sworn testimonies of everyone ordering the murders and committing them with a smile on their face, let him a look at it being done,

and he would still come back and make theories to how did didn't really happen.

He wants it to be fake, so nothing you can say or do will ever convince him otherwise.
 

einmensch

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Zzar you still are just talking----where are the mass graves evidence of pit fires etc. The number is 6 million?
 

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So why show a German graveyard?--Why not show evidence of 750,000 dead. Where are the forensic studies to evidence the deaths. 750,000 buried dug up and evaporated into air? And no evidence to prove that? Millions of teeth bones all gone-ashes -? The account regarding killing method --any witness testimony?
Karrie, common knowledge was what Galeleo, Copernicus disproved and they also were punished--well Copernicus waited to have his work published after his death. He didn't want believers in common knowledge like you torturing him to death.. Only very dull minds are as certain about events as you.
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So I guess the concept of sarcasm is lost on you, huh??????

There is tons of evidence, eyewitness and otherwise......I listed the article in the Globe and Mail earlier, and the best estimation of deaths done by one of the most respected historians on earth........5 minutes of looking on the net will get you eye witness accounts by the dozen (I gave you a link) and tons of stuff debunking the crap spewed by holocaust deniers..

Now, to deny the Holocaust in the face of overwhelming evidence means you are one of the following things.....

1. A complete idiot, easily influenced by whatever looney that propagates some silly idea.....

2. A nut-case, paranoid conspiracy theorist..........

3. A Jew-hater, believer in the blood libel and the Protocols of Zion

4. Some combination of the above.

Which are you?

Personally, I suspect the REAL problem the deniers have with the Holocaust is that some of the Jews survived.
 

gerryh

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Zzar you still are just talking----where are the mass graves evidence of pit fires etc. The number is 6 million?



There are FIRST HAND testimonies of survivors. First hand testimony from soldiers that liberated the different camps. Of course, you and your kind, discount those testimonies as typical lies from typical jew liars.
 

einmensch

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I guess you are floating --not any of you have posted any scientific finding --just the same old Everybody knows-
 

karrie

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I guess you are floating --not any of you have posted any scientific finding --just the same old Everybody knows-

People have posted all sorts of eyewitness accounts, photos of the bodies (that's a scientific finding, btw), etc. And you ignore it. Why should they keep wasting their time. The facts are there, they've been handed to you. You keep pretending they haven't. What a waste of time to sit and entertain your attempt to clear Germany of blame.