Was this death necessary?

DaSleeper

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Just listen to the number of shots fired out of a six shooter...

In the old west they also used to leave one chamber empty for safety while riding.......

I wonder if that's what started the "Load with 5 rounds" command in shooting competition......hmmm!
 

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the polish traveller's death seems to have sparked some police officers into lying...
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FWIW-Port Hardy is a grim little sh¡thole and this surprises no one who's ever been there.

Is there any where, any place, any thing you like? You seem to disparage everything.

Maybe PSA's should be shown through various mediums to explain to the general public that police WILL shoot if they feel threatened and exactly what constitutes them feeling threatened.

There are many many people who feel they are in their right to do certain things. Maybe an explanation should be made to these individuals that certain actions will result in reactions that can cause death. Maybe we could save some lives, save some righteous indignation, save some careers.
 

JLM

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Yet, you're the one wondering about his kids and mental health and using both as a reason for vilifying the cops

After a dozen scenarios of the cops abusing people, yes I do wonder about various scenarios. How soon some people forget! I certainly haven't vilified any cops regarding this latest incident.
 

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After a dozen scenarios of the cops abusing people, yes I do wonder about various scenarios. How soon some people forget! I certainly haven't vilified any cops regarding this latest incident.


Well, if you're that suspicious of the cops in BC, it makes sense that the police be accompanied by a dozen interpreters in case there are language issues and a psychologist or 2 in case the poor wee gun toting perp wasn't hugged enough as a child.... And to save some time, we can have a 3rd party professional observation group and camera crew ride along to make extra certain that you can be confident
 

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Well, if you're that suspicious of the cops in BC,

How many instances do we need? The Vancouver airport, Geoff Mantler in Kelowna kicking a crippled man in the head, a senior being tasered in a traffic check in Kelowna for merely pulling his car off to the side of the road, Ian Bush being shot in the back of the head by a cop while in custody, 6 cops in Vancouver beating the sh*t out of some druggies (two were fired), a senior in Kamloops hospital tasered while bedridden. Those were just a few that made the news, there could be two or three more for every one of them.

Well, if you're that suspicious of the cops in BC, it makes sense that the police be accompanied by a dozen interpreters in case there are language issues and a psychologist or 2 in case the poor wee gun toting perp wasn't hugged enough as a child.... And to save some time, we can have a 3rd party professional observation group and camera crew ride along to make extra certain that you can be confident

Many times all that is necessary is for them to back of temporarily until the necessary resources can be gathered, in none of the cases I listed above was anyone in imminent danger. The cops are supposedly professional educated people, the people they are dealing with often aren't particularly educated or sophisticated and quite often have a multitude of other issues.
 

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: Originally Posted by bill barilko said:
FWIW-Port Hardy is a grim little sh¡thole and this surprises no one who's ever been there.
Is there any where, any place, any thing you like? You seem to disparage everything.
Not that I would share with you/your ilk.

The Good News in this story is that the deceased no longer has to live in that blasted pit of despair, ennui & abuse @ the end of the Island highway.
 

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Not that I would share with you/your ilk.

The Good News in this story is that the deceased no longer has to live in that blasted pit of despair, ennui & abuse @ the end of the Island highway.

It's a paradise compared to the sh*t hole at the western extreme of the Fraser Valley.
 

JLM

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my ilk? Whoot! I have ilk. Must be coming up in the world then.

so basically you're just misery in a skin suit then eh?

He definitely gives the impression he's not an overly happy camper! Must be tough to live like that!
 

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How many instances do we need? The Vancouver airport, Geoff Mantler in Kelowna kicking a crippled man in the head, a senior being tasered in a traffic check in Kelowna for merely pulling his car off to the side of the road, Ian Bush being shot in the back of the head by a cop while in custody, 6 cops in Vancouver beating the sh*t out of some druggies (two were fired), a senior in Kamloops hospital tasered while bedridden. Those were just a few that made the news, there could be two or three more for every one of them.

Many times all that is necessary is for them to back of temporarily until the necessary resources can be gathered, in none of the cases I listed above was anyone in imminent danger. The cops are supposedly professional educated people, the people they are dealing with often aren't particularly educated or sophisticated and quite often have a multitude of other issues.

You have unfairly painted all cops with your statements. There is not one industry that doesn't have examples of problems, inexperience and even corruption. For some reason, you feel the need to single out the police and go one step further by making up endless excuses for some low-lifes.

Fact is this; buddy would be alive and well today if he hadn't been waving a knife around and threatening people, he brought this all on himself and no amount of deflecting the blame onto the cops or wondering if he was hugged enough as a child will change the reality that he made his own decisions.

So much for assuming even a shred of personal responsibility in life, eh?... It's far easier to blame the cops
 

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You have unfairly painted all cops with your statements. There is not one industry that doesn't have examples of problems, inexperience and even corruption. For some reason, you feel the need to single out the police and go one step further by making up endless excuses for some low-lifes.

Fact is this; buddy would be alive and well today if he hadn't been waving a knife around and threatening people, he brought this all on himself and no amount of deflecting the blame onto the cops or wondering if he was hugged enough as a child will change the reality that he made his own decisions.

So much for assuming even a shred of personal responsibility in life, eh?... It's far easier to blame the cops

You're wrong on two counts there, Capt. First I was ONLY painting the individual cops I was referring to in my examples, unfortunately cops don't wear identifying markers depicting who is good and who is bad and you may be quite a way into an encounter before you find out. Yep, buddy might have been alive and well had he not flashed a knife, but I don't think an episode of bad judgment should cost a man his life. When I was a young buck and drunk 3 or 4 days a week, I'm just lucky some impetuous cop or anyone for that matter didn't misinterpret half the sh*t we did back in the day or a lot of us would be dead. Maybe you spent every evening singing in the choir but we weren't all like that. :) :)

You old fools are so easy to troll it's hardly worth the typing.

Maybe not as foolish as you young fools! :) :)

So much for assuming even a shred of personal responsibility in life, eh?... It's far easier to blame the cops

Who was blaming the cops? If you reread the O.P. I think you will find I was only inquiring as to if and how it would be until the results of an official investigation will be divulged.
 

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You have unfairly painted all cops with your statements. There is not one industry that doesn't have examples of problems, inexperience and even corruption. For some reason, you feel the need to single out the police and go one step further by making up endless excuses for some low-lifes.

Fact is this; buddy would be alive and well today if he hadn't been waving a knife around and threatening people, he brought this all on himself and no amount of deflecting the blame onto the cops or wondering if he was hugged enough as a child will change the reality that he made his own decisions.

So much for assuming even a shred of personal responsibility in life, eh?... It's far easier to blame the cops
Cannuck trained him well......








Or hacked his account-:smile:
 

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unfortunately cops don't wear identifying markers depicting who is good and who is bad

They don't?

Maybe instead of having a small army follow each and every cop in BC, you should push for legislation that forces the police to wear the good/bad markers prominently on their uniforms. At very least, those folks that are inclined to threaten people with knives will have the knowledge in advance of which cops they can do it in front of

and you may be quite a way into an encounter before you find out.

Ummmm, exactly how far into an 'encounter' should some idiot be allowed to go before the police actually do their job?

Yep, buddy might have been alive and well had he not flashed a knife

Correction: He would have been alive today had he not threatened people with a knife

but I don't think an episode of bad judgment should cost a man his life.

Buddy decided to gamble with his own life... He lost.

When I was a young buck and drunk 3 or 4 days a week, I'm just lucky some impetuous cop or anyone for that matter didn't misinterpret half the sh*t we did back in the day or a lot of us would be dead. Maybe you spent every evening singing in the choir but we weren't all like that.

Were you threatening people's lives with a gun or knife back then?


Who was blaming the cops? If you reread the O.P. I think you will find I was only inquiring as to if and how it would be until the results of an official investigation will be divulged.

I really don't know what to say to this... You're not blaming the lunatic with the knife and seeing that the only other ones there were the cops... Well, you can do the math on this
 

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They don't?

I don't dispute the fact that the guy was the author of his own demise. I just question whether it was absolutely necessary to kill them if there was any possibility at all that there was another way. I see Sleepy is still hung up on Cannuck, who pretty well every one else has maybe forgotten about. Not sure why he can't let sleeping dogs lie. (Cannuck never taught me anything)
 

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Who was blaming the cops? If you reread the O.P. I think you will find I was only inquiring as to if and how it would be until the results of an official investigation will be divulged.

You are every time you direct the responsibility away from the guy with the knife.
 

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Never said he wasn't responsible, just questioning whether he should have been killed. Don't jump to conclusions! :) :)

Seems to me he was killed because he was threatening people with a knife. While a tazer may have been a better choice, it is possible one wasn't available and I can accept that baring any revelations that this death was a legitimate consequence of his actions.