Was the Exodus natural or supernatural, fact or fiction?

[Spade]

Aliens? No question! "Strangers in a strange land."
But don't take Michio Kaku's word for it
Michio Kaku: UFOs are real - YouTube

 

[Goober]

Moses looks too Northern European. I think that's a fake.

Well I have never had a problem in being proven to be in error. Perhaps he just avoided the sun...................

Furthermore, in Old Testament allegorism, "Egypt" could only be escaped by crossing the "Red Sea." As elaborated elsewhere, the liquid nature of the human body--composed of seven-eighths water--and that red in color, really solves the mystery of the "Red Sea." The soul must pass through its ordeals of living experience in the red fluid of the body to make its final exodus from the "flesh pots of Egypt." At any rate corrected modern translations of the Scriptures have taken the Red Sea out of the text! In Moffatt's translation it has become, and correctly, the "Reed Sea." Literalists must stand dumbfounded at this disappearance of their geographical body of water from the story. Yet, oddly enough, that very phrase, when taken in another and its obviously true sense, brings it back to them as the (physical) body composed mainly as water. Literally enough they must know that they are making their evolutionary way from "Egypt" to "Canaan" through a red body of water--the human blood!THE LOST KEY TO

Scientists Explain Red Sea Parting and Other Miracles - ABC News

As researchers prove the Red Sea really could have parted... How science backs the Bible's best stories | Mail Online

BBC News - Computers show how wind could have parted Red Sea

 

[gopher]

God told Bush to invade Iraq and also told Herman Cain, Rick Perry, and for a short while Michelle Bachmann to run for the presidency.

Seems like the old goat can't make up his mind about anything.

 

[petros]

Maybe it's al just malarky and no science needed?

 

[French Patriot]

Are you kidding me? Of course it was real, it provided a Hollywood script that was
second to none with top movie stars. Would God not provide filmmakers with a real
script, something they could get their teeth into? You saw it on the movie screen
didn't you? Then it had to be real. Oh and who cares?

I do. I care about me fellowman and the evils of literal reading.
It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us whoare moral religionists as well as those who do not believe. They all hurt theirparent religions and everyone else who has a belief or not. They make us allinto laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is a Godhead butnot the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. Beliefs infantasy, miracles and magic are evil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHaClUCw4&feature=PlayList&p=5123864A5243470E&index=0&playnext=1

They also do much harm to their own.

African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI&feature=related

Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48b_1185215493

Death to Gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related

For evil to grow my friends, all good people need do is nothing.
Fight them when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.

Regards
DL

Charts of the "Holy Land of Canaan" have been

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found extant in early Egypt as much as three hundred years before the alleged Israelite exodus, whence it is to be presumed that this promised land of peace and plenty was allegorical before it was historical. Massey states that an entablature on the wall of an Egyptian temple bore a list of some hundred and twenty place names afterwards localized in Palestine, at a date at least one hundred and fifty years before there could possibly have been an exodus of Israelites from Egypt. It requires little "proof" to ascertain that "Egypt" as used throughout the Bible has the meaning of the lower self or animal-human personality, indeed the physical body of man itself. Jerusalem means the "holy city" or the heavenly realms, which are in consciousness, not on the map.
http://pc93.tripod.com/lostlght.htm


To become Israel or Chosen one has to escape Egypt, the meaty beast. So it's very funny to hear meaty beasts make the claim.

Always good to see someone who recognizes the esoteric and spiritual parts of the old text.

Work that single eye my friend.

I like the fact that Canadians have tossed religion out the window more than some other countries. I do not like the fact that they threw spirituality out along with it.

Regards
DL

Maybe it's al just malarky and no science needed?

Perhaps but if science can prove it a myth it is in all of our best interest.
Christianity should try to grow up sometime and the Rapture Ready crowd would stop wishing for their God to come down and fry the rest of us. Gays and women can use an equality break as well.

Regards
DL

 

[L Gilbert]

Well I have never had a problem in being proven to be in error. Perhaps he just avoided the sun...................



Scientists Explain Red Sea Parting and Other Miracles - ABC News

As researchers prove the Red Sea really could have parted... How science backs the Bible's best stories | Mail Online

BBC News - Computers show how wind could have parted Red Sea

It's not particularly good research to state a conclusion as proof when all that is backing up the conclusion are a couple possibilities. IF this happened, IF that happened, then MAYBE such-and-such is possible. I'd make a bet that the news media didn't understand the research fully.

 

[Spade]

Quite true...
Twenty-one percent of Canadians 15 years of age or older claim to attend religious (any religion) services weekly.
Matter of Fact: Canadians attend weekly religious services less than 20 years ago
Of course, people lie about attending religious services. Shame...
God knows, we lie about going to church
So, we as Canadians are not sunday-go-to-meetin' people, but I think most have a spiritual bent. That bent may be expressed in scientific pursuit, altruism, brotherhood, teaching, charity, peace activism, and so on.

 

[Niflmir]

Complete fiction.

The Exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[French Patriot]

Complete fiction.

The Exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I agree but not completely.

I see it as a myth of theHyksos expulsion re-written for Semitic pride stroking.

That system of topologicalwriting was common in those days.

The N T may have been writtenthe same way thanks to the War of the Jews book and Rome’s deep purse.

Caesar's Messiah Promo - YouTube

Further. The Egyptians mayhave recorded some of the events mimicked in the Exodus. See that clip at the1.05 mark.

Regards
DL

 

[petros]

Do you believe tiny little Heebs would be used as industrial slave labour in Egypt? All the heavy lifting that would have been slave labour was up river in Karnak. Not Cairo.

 

[French Patriot]

I don't think that slavery was a big thing in Egypt although there was some.
I have seen little evidence of it a large slave force. Have you?

I have seen where it has been shown that it was not slave labor that built the pyramids.

Regards
DL

 

[JLM]

http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/doubtingexodus.htm



Should Christians recognizethe O T stories as natural or supernatural, fact or fiction?



Regards

DL

Probably fiction and non Christians would probably do well to think likewise!

 

[Spade]

I think we are looking at peoples' stories (All religions) as, if not true, then fabricated. Stories and myths are much more than fabrication; they are an attempt to make sense of the past, the physical world, and destiny. The Greek myths, the Old Testament, the Norse pantheon, are not attempts to deceive; they are an effort of peoples to explain what was unknowable based on their limited knowledge of their evolution and nature. Besides, they make great fireside chats.

 

[darkbeaver]

Some people are sure they were crafted by human genius. I'm impressed by the constructions. Very fundamental stuff, helps a lot trying to understand where and what we are. By the fire at the mouths of caves from there they could see the other end of the universe so to speak and constructed very good methods to project their reasoning even when their material constructs were destroyed their thinking would last forever. So far its worked. If we compare our limits to their limits in the context of the whole universe we're barley removed from that ancient position. Their concerns are our concerns we they were every bit as human as we are. Not much has changed except the speed and convienience. i dont do spelling anymore today goodbye

 

[Spade]

Spelling's tough, darkbeaver. As in religion, there are arbitrary rules, many of which make little sense as time passes and customs change. But, there is no hell for the misspeller. The great Grammar is very forgiving.

 

[darkbeaver]

There was a bit of talk about the english language,CBC radio, last week I think, they said that english, contrary to my understanding was not considered a hard language to learn as much as it was hard to spell. Oh I've just remembered what it was about, vowel progression since sixteenth century, ale was pronounced eel and examples like that, regional CBC radio I think.

 

[Spade]

Audio | The Sunday Edition with Michael Enright | CBC Radio
The Sunday Edition on CBC Radio One
Sunday School - Vowel Shift

 

[darkbeaver]

that's it, vowel shift, earlier in the thread I had a bad time spelling vowel. I was sure it had a you in it.

 

[French Patriot]

Probably fiction and non Christians would probably do well to think likewise!

No argument my friend.

I think it more important for Christians to recognize it as the fiction that it is because they presently are stuck with the poor moral opinion that killing children for what their parents do is quite a good thing because their God did it.

I think that quite mentally unhealthy.

Regards
DL

I think we are looking at peoples' stories (All religions) as, if not true, then fabricated. Stories and myths are much more than fabrication; they are an attempt to make sense of the past, the physical world, and destiny. The Greek myths, the Old Testament, the Norse pantheon, are not attempts to deceive; they are an effort of peoples to explain what was unknowable based on their limited knowledge of their evolution and nature. Besides, they make great fireside chats.

As myths, for sure.

As reality, not goo.
We end with some like the Rapture Ready crowd and other literalists and fundamentals sitting by the fire praying for God to return to genocide our *** once again.

But God loves us.
Like Hitler loved Jews.

Regards
DL