War on Iran! Close, Inevitable or Ordained/Sanctified?

Tehran_Bimbo_II

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I'm not gonna get into the rest of your post, but just to demonstrate your credibility on this subject, I'll put forth a challenge.

Your claim is that we have spoken of using Persian or Arab nuclear weapons against Israel.

That's your claim. Now I'm going to ask you to give us a reputable source to back up that claim.

Failure to do so will expose you as a liar and a fraud. I think you're smarter than that however, and you wouldn't pull statements out of your backside. So I'm giving you the
opportunity here to back up what you said.

Ahmadinjehad:

"They [ask]: 'Is it possible for us to witness a world without America and Zionism?' But you had best know that this slogan and this goal are attainable, and surely can be achieved.
[[[...]]] "'When the dear Imam [Khomeini] said that [the Shah's] regime must go, and that we demand a world without dependent governments, many people who claimed to have political and other knowledge [asked], 'Is it possible [that the Shah's regime can be toppled]?' That day, when Imam [Khomeini] began his movement, all the powers supported [the Shah's] corrupt regime [[[...]]] and said it was not possible. However, our nation stood firm, and by now we have, for 27 years, been living without a government dependent on America. Imam [Khomeni] said: 'The rule of the East [U.S.S.R.] and of the West [U.S.] should be ended.' But the weak people who saw only the tiny world near them did not believe it. Nobody believed that we would one day witness the collapse of the Eastern Imperialism [i.e. the U.S.S.R], and said it was an iron regime. But in our short lifetime we have witnessed how this regime collapsed in such a way that we must look for it in libraries, and we can find no literature about it. Imam [Khomeini] said that Saddam [Hussein] must go, and that he would be humiliated in a way that was unprecedented. And what do you see today? A man who, 10 years ago, spoke as proudly as if he would live for eternity is today chained by the feet, and is now being tried in his own country [[[...]]]
Imam [Khomeini] said: 'This regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history.' This sentence is very wise. The issue of Palestine is not an issue on which we can compromise. Is it possible that an [Islamic] front allows another front [i.e. country] to arise in its [own] heart? This means defeat, and he who accepts the existence of this regime [i.e. Israel] in fact signs the defeat of the Islamic world. In his battle against the World of Arrogance, our dear Imam [Khomeini] set the regime occupying Qods[Jerusalem]as the target of his fight. I do not doubt that the new wave which has begun in our dear Palestine and which today we are also witnessing in the Islamic world is a wave of morality which has spread all over the Islamic world. Very soon, this stain of disgrace [i.e. Israel] will vanish from the center of the Islamic world - and this is attainable."


What does he mean that Islam/Iran Cannot accept Israel or compromise with it, and that:
"""Very soon, this stain of disgrace [i.e. Israel] will vanish from the center of the Islamic world - and this is attainable."""

What would make it "Attainable to get rid of this Stain of Disgrace" "Very Soon"? EXCEPT for NUKES?

Surely "Very soon" the Arabs/Iranians aren't going to get a conventional advantage over Israel.

So what could he Possible mean by "attainable" "Very Soon"?

Coupled with his many stated theme of not giving up enrichment and in fact, accelerating it-- it doesn't take a genius to add 1+1.

Tim wants to stick with his Strawman argument until/unless Ahmadinejad says "I'm Nuking Israel on November 17, 2010"... which Aint gonna happen wise guy.
 

einmensch

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Quote from Zz--"Thanks to its $3 billion a year in aid, America gets Israel to support American causes"

Zz -Do you have any examples of this Israeli support for the USA or did you make it up??
 

darkbeaver

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Because of Irans geographic condition and it's stubborn unreasonable position on peaceful self determination which they favour for some reason totally unfathomable to the bankers, there will be war on Iran. As a matter of logic there is a greater chance of christmas being cancelled this year than that devinely inspired conflict. It must be crushed and pacified to plug the hydro-carbon trail to China lest it fuel the bottomless evil of the godless yellow horde who if left unchecked in thier evil scheming will envelope the world in thier alien clutches. May god (the real one) protect us and our womenfolk from this clear and present danger. The Iranian push for peaceful coexistance is a diabolicaly evil plot such as the world of free democratic nations such as the brave heroic Georgia have never seen and with gods devine help will never have to endure. Vote Republican, save the baby jesus from the Eyerainian terrorists.
 
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einmensch

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Georgia permitted Israel to use two military airfields for 'a potential pre-emptive strike' against Iranian nuclear sites, a report says.


The revelation came after Georgia's offensive into South Ossetia in early August prompted Russia to march its Special Forces into the region, United Press International reported.

Russian Special Forces raided the airfields - in addition to other Israeli facilities in southern Georgia -, where Israeli drones were captured.

According to the report, Israel had used the airfields to 'conduct recon flights over southern Russia, as well as into nearby Iran'.

"A secret agreement between Georgia and Israel had earmarked two military airfields in the south of Georgia for use by Israeli fighter-bombers in a potential pre-emptive strike against Iran," read the report.

Tel Aviv has threatened to launch air strikes against Iranian nuclear installations under the pretext that Tehran, a signatory to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), has plans to develop nuclear weaponry.

This is while the UN nuclear watchdog has confirmed that Iran enriches uranium-235 to a level of 3.7 percent - a rate consistent with the construction of a nuclear power plant. Nuclear arms production requires an enrichment level of above 90 percent.

Iran currently suffers from electricity shortage and has been forced to adopt a rationing program by scheduling power outages - of up to two hours a day - across both urban and rural areas in the country.


 

Zzarchov

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Quote from Zz--"Thanks to its $3 billion a year in aid, America gets Israel to support American causes"

Zz -Do you have any examples of this Israeli support for the USA or did you make it up??

You mean besides the fact that Israel seems to magically Airstrike groups in the region that threaten America's Gulf Interests? Or its providing of Intelligence to American agencies?

The big arguement for some Jewish Conspiracy seems to be Aipac , a lobby group, supports the candidate who supports their cause.

Oh my god!

Another conspiracy! The NRA controls the USA! I happen to notice the NRA only supports candidates who endorse ITS cause!

And the Secular Coalition for America ALSO only supports candidates who endorse its cause!


Its so obvious! America is controlled by a group of Rifle toting Secular Jews!
 

mabudon

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Difference there is that AIPAC is heavily involved in a country that really has nothing to do with the US in "reality"

What does the NRA have to do with the Middle East and all that oil and "Islamofascists trying to wipe Israel off the map"??
 

Zzarchov

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Difference there is that AIPAC is heavily involved in a country that really has nothing to do with the US in "reality"

What does the NRA have to do with the Middle East and all that oil and "Islamofascists trying to wipe Israel off the map"??

And what did the Irish Conflict and its political fronts have to do with America?

The same thing, lots of ethnic voters cared about it.

Many ethnic groups lobby the government to support the country they emigrated from, and why shouldn't they? their family lives there.

You act as if Aipac is the only group that lobbies the US government to support a foreign state. CANADA does that.
 

mabudon

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I don't think the Irish conflict has anything to do with the current situation- since Israel and Iran are basically sworn enemies, and there is a lobby group in the US to support one of those sides and thereby become a de facto "enemy" of the other, I think AIPAC is pertinent to the overall discussion of a pre-emptive attack on Iran

We can talk Ireland in another thread but I ain't too well versed or much interested in it
 

Zzarchov

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Ok, are you just funning with me or are you actually being obtuse?

The Irish Conflict had its own lobby groups supporting taking sides in the conflict. Many ethnic groups have lobby groups to support their parent countries.

You think its happenstance that we supported Armenia over Turkey? That we keep intervening in and giving aid to Haiti?